Market watchers see buying opportunity as Apple shares slide after June quarter miss

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  • Reply 41 of 61
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,510member
    muadibe wrote: »

    What I do know is that people with money care about more than just money.  Many use that money to further their own beliefs and suppress others with whom they disagree.  Just take a look at what some billionaires do with some of their money.  So while I'm not saying this is definitely happening, I don't see it out of the realm of possibility.  Apple is, and will continue to make boatloads of money for many years to come.  

    The truth is that you oppose what Apple stands for on gay and gender rights, and you want to INSINUATE that it's a possible cause of this round of stock devaluation/manipulation. Correct?

    Edit: I just saw your answer above. I will change my tone toward your suggestion henceforth. Apologies.
  • Reply 42 of 61
    aaarrrggghaaarrrgggh Posts: 1,580member
    rogifan wrote: »
    But Wall Street is happy about Microsoft because they always thought the Nokia acquisition was stupid and are happy to see Nadella undoing it.

    Still doesn't explain MSFT being at a P/E of 30 while AAPL is at 13. MSFT has interesting opportunities, but they are all priced in at 30.
  • Reply 43 of 61
    muadibemuadibe Posts: 133member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Flaneur View Post





    The truth is that you oppose what Apple stands for on gay and gender rights, and you want to INSINUATE that it's a possible cause of this round of stock devaluation/manipulation. Correct?



    Whoa there!  The exact opposite!  I admire Tim Cook immensely for all he does for the environment, education and sexual equality.  I am a gay person.  How on earth could I oppose what he is doing?  I was simply wondering, as others have, if his sexuality has any impact at all on how Apple is treated by Wall Street.

  • Reply 44 of 61
    Good analysis by PED on revised Watch sales estimates. In the 2.5-3.0M range, which stands to reason. http://fortune.com/2015/07/22/apple-watch-revised-sales/
  • Reply 45 of 61
    muadibe wrote: »
    I was simply wondering, as others have, if his sexuality has any impact at all on how Apple is treated by Wall Street.

    Zero impact, I am guessing. Unless of course, someone wants to start another conspiracy theory.
  • Reply 46 of 61
    muadibemuadibe Posts: 133member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post





    Zero impact, I am guessing. Unless of course, someone wants to start another conspiracy theory.



    I hope you are correct.  People have a nasty habit of disappointing in a most vile way sometimes.

  • Reply 47 of 61
    muadibe wrote: »

    I hope you are correct.  People have a nasty habit of disappointing in a most vile way sometimes.

    Perhaps I have more faith in humanity than you do!
  • Reply 48 of 61
    AAPL has, as of now, erased almost half the losses from its lowest point yesterday.
  • Reply 49 of 61
    newbeenewbee Posts: 2,055member
     
    Originally Posted by muadibe View Post

     

    As many here have stated, you have analysts arbitrarily increasing expectations of Apple with the apparent intention of knocking the stock price.  I agree there should be some detailed grilling of these analysts and their numbers.  They should have to explain why they adjusted expectations with no obvious reason.

     

    I just wonder how much of this is Wall Street penalizing Apple simply because of Tim Cook's lifestyle.   I know this might seem out there, but in the absence of anything that makes sense, you have to wonder.  

     

    Incidentally, I'm not the only person who has written about this possibility.  Again, lacking any seemingly rational reason, you have to wonder what's going on.


     

    "They should have to explain why they adjusted expectations with no obvious reason." Actually there is a reason. The "stockmarket industry", for the most part, makes money when we buy or sell shares. They are not concerned whether we make or lose money, they are only concerned with moving shares. That's it. End of story.

  • Reply 50 of 61
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,510member
    muadibe wrote: »

    Whoa there!  The exact opposite!  I admire Tim Cook immensely for all he does for the environment, education and sexual equality.  I am a gay person.  How on earth could I oppose what he is doing?  I was simply wondering, as others have, if his sexuality has any impact at all on how Apple is treated by Wall Street.

    Gotcha. See my edit above. I stand corrected. I'd be very surprised if anyone connected with the Market would factor in something as human as Tim Cook's orientation. They may consider health, life and death issues, but little beyond that.
  • Reply 51 of 61
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 3,976member
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    Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

     

    I bought 300 shares last night at $122 and sold this morning for a quick $400 profit.

     

    I'm still holding 1000 shares.

     

    I have no doubt this will see $150 sometime this year.

     

     

     

    All these analysist are a-holes.

     

    Apple guided for revenue to be $46-48 billion for Q3.  They blew that away with $49.4 billion.  Apple blew away there own expectations. Wall Streets expectations were unrealistic, yet they penalize Apple for not meeting some pipe dream $51 billion mark.


    Got cold feet? I sold 1000 shares I bought the other day yesterday at $132 and bought them back this morning at $122.05. $10k pocketed. I'll give my wife a nice purse for this.

  • Reply 52 of 61
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 3,976member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post



    AAPL has, as of now, erased almost half the losses from its lowest point yesterday.

    And will go above $130 in few weeks. It will be very interesting to see the next quarter report with all music subscription + new iPod sale. I wish they announce ATV with subscription sooner. 

  • Reply 53 of 61
    junior99junior99 Posts: 17member
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    Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

     

    This is how full of shit these analysis are.

     

    When Apple released earnings in April here was the estimates for the June Quarter:

     

    Q3 revenue forecast: $46-$48 billion versus $47 billion expected



    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-q2-earnings-2015-4#ixzz3gd4LRXDA

     

     

    So analysists were expecting June quarter revenue to be $47 billion in April.

     

    But as we got to May, Jun, and Jul they kept on raising their revenue expectation until it was impossible for Apple to reach it (over $50 billion)

     

     

     

    That right there tells you this is manipulation.  Why the HELL did the analysist raise their revenue expectation from $47 billion to $50 billion since April?  The only reason is to either save face if Apple had another blowout or to make it impossible for Apple to exceed 'expectation'




    Are you manipulating prices by buying and quickly selling to make a quick buck?

     

    I wonder if you really like Apple or only see it for your financial gain.

     

    Buy long.

  • Reply 54 of 61
    totaltotal Posts: 83member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

     

     

    nice move.

     

    All i did was sell some out of the money call options and make $1,300.




    i did little homework and compared revenue over last 5 years. What surprises me is fact, how it is fluctuating, from 50-70% to zero growth and now back to 20-30% (due China, without that we never get over 10% probably). So looking to AAPL this way, it is unreadable, what will be next year and that is the reason, why WS is punishing AAPL everytime they can, because what growth will be next year? It can be whatewer according this chart. Google is probably more predictable and stable, so they have P/E over 30.

     

    Btw actually at $125 P/E is just 14.5, before earnings it was above 16. So with return to P/E 16, stocke price should be $138 now. That looks optimistic for future.

     

  • Reply 55 of 61
    yojimbo007yojimbo007 Posts: 965member
    Miss???
    What miss? They broke records on every metric!
    Even guidance indicates 25% growth yoy..
    Whats wrong with you guys reprinting bs headlines ?
  • Reply 56 of 61

    Hey AAPL investors, how about a little cheese to go with that whine? This stock is going nowhere fast. <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /><img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /><img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

  • Reply 57 of 61
    cash907cash907 Posts: 893member
    Love how the Apple apologists blame market analysts for the drop, not Apple for failing to meet expectations. If only you lot extended the same courtesy to every other tech company.

    Is anyone really bullish about Apple's stock performance in Q4? What product launch are they basing this on, an iterative update to the iPhone, or the EOL update to the iPad Mini? Does anyone seriously think the Apple Watch will be a profit driver at this point after Cook himself buried it in the same bin as headphones and other misc accessories?
    I think it's high time we started being realistic about Apple's future sans Steve Jobs, and give up expecting them to reinvent the wheel. As an investor and stock holder, I'm content with AAPL as a solid safe investment, if not the cash cow it once was.
  • Reply 58 of 61
    quinneyquinney Posts: 2,525member
    Hey APPL investors, how about a little cheese to go with that whine? This stock is going nowhere fast. :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Nobody here cares what happens with the stock of Appell Petroleum, dumbass.
  • Reply 59 of 61
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,705member
    cash907 wrote: »
    Love how the Apple apologists blame market analysts for the drop, not Apple for failing to meet expectations. If only you lot extended the same courtesy to every other tech company.

    Is anyone really bullish about Apple's stock performance in Q4? What product launch are they basing this on, an iterative update to the iPhone, or the EOL update to the iPad Mini? Does anyone seriously think the Apple Watch will be a profit driver at this point after Cook himself buried it in the same bin as headphones and other misc accessories?
    I think it's high time we started being realistic about Apple's future sans Steve Jobs, and give up expecting them to reinvent the wheel. As an investor and stock holder, I'm content with AAPL as a solid safe investment, if not the cash cow it once was.

    Why do the Apple trolls look for the storm clouds in an otherwise bright and sunny day?

    It is the market analysts that failed. Apple met its targets. They shouldn't be punished by wild guessing by clueless analysts.

    As noted a billion time over, it was announced in the fall that numbers won't be released. Why are trolls too stupid to figure those words out?
  • Reply 60 of 61
    junior99junior99 Posts: 17member

    It feels like a lot of people here care more about their portfolio of Apple stocks than they really do about the company.

     

    And villainizing a convenient target called WS.

     

    I'd personally be buying stocks at 122 rather than grumbling, however some of us are happy with index funds. We look at the long term and don't worry about quarter to quarter expectations.

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