When I gave my iPad 3 to my wife, I performed a "reset to factory settings" first, and she proceeded to set it up with her own data and apps. No messaging problems or data artifacts whatsoever. We have SIX Apple devices between the two of us.
With all due respect, it sounds like we're missing part of the story here.
That's not the problem. You just removed a device, but kept your number in iMessage. The problem is removing your phone number from iMessage because you have zero Apple devices left.
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Totally wrong. The user has always had the ability to decouple their Apple ID from their iPhone and Messages. The fact that they forgot to so before selling or changing their iPhone is the user’s problem.
Wrong. Say somebody has one Apple device. It gets lost or stolen or broken and they can't afford another one. Your solution: they should have wiped the device before it got stolen?
The web page only came up after what, a year or two of this disaster?
Sorry but Apple totally deserves to be sued over this. They just didn't want to support people switching away from the platform, which is simply bad business since that's another reason why they'll never switch back.
If you buy an Android phone you certainly won't be using Apple's Messages app.
I think we all know that? Not sure what you're clarifying. The point was this lady was having text messages sent to her iMessages account, intercepting them so she could not receive as SMS.
That's not the problem. You just removed a device, but kept your number in iMessage. The problem is removing your phone number from iMessage because you have zero Apple devices left.
Wrong. Say somebody has one Apple device. It gets lost or stolen or broken and they can't afford another one. Your solution: they should have wiped the device before it got stolen?
The web page only came up after what, a year or two of this disaster?
Sorry but Apple totally deserves to be sued over this. They just didn't want to support people switching away from the platform, which is simply bad business since that's another reason why they'll never switch back.
Why do they deserve to be sued? They already issued a fix. Once that was done the suit should have been dropped. I get trying to right a wrong and all that, but why should punitive damages be awarded because she didn't get some messages. If she could prove she lost a job or something because of it that is one thing, but because she was inconvenienced is not a reason to still keep a lawsuit alive after the issue has been resolved.
They also keep losing messages because they assign wrong device that might be in use by other person. You know if you deliver message then you should do it to all devices logged in - not to random one. Messages to me ended-up on family iPad souvenir thousands miles away overseas instead of on my iPhone.
I asked specifically Apple to remove any such odd preferences from my iPhone and I have to keep logged out from their iCloud. It is very annoying when Apple does not allow to set preferences on messaging type one wants to use and then their illogical solution forces wrong delivery... and then you cannot use iCloud or you will be assigned same illogical delivery method.
SMS is SMS not IM so it is time to understand that either Apple becomes telecommunication system supplier or identifies devices properly if this needs to be on Apple network. If I send message to phone number from phone - that means Apple is supposed to deliver on telecommunication channel - not on Internet IM solution and especially on limited Apple cloud (not everybody is on it). Also you do not force people to be on iCloud logged in in order to allow messages. SMS from phone is supposed to work to another phone - it is telecommunication standard - not Apple standard.
Why don't you learn how your devices work?
Go into settings, messages and tick and untick the various addresses iMessages will go to for each device.
That's not the problem. You just removed a device, but kept your number in iMessage. The problem is removing your phone number from iMessage because you have zero Apple devices left.
Wrong. Say somebody has one Apple device. It gets lost or stolen or broken and they can't afford another one. Your solution: they should have wiped the device before it got stolen?
The web page only came up after what, a year or two of this disaster?
Sorry but Apple totally deserves to be sued over this. They just didn't want to support people switching away from the platform, which is simply bad business since that's another reason why they'll never switch back.
Sue? For what reason? For a solve a technical problem or for punitive damages? Think carefully before you answer.
While I don't agree with the whole lawsuit thing I will grant that they need to do a better job of having the system disconnect from Imessage and FaceTime when a device is wiped. And educating folks about things like "hey dude you have three iPhones connected to Imessage with this Apple ID. That means that your wife, kids etc might see all your texts" before it's an issue.
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Of course it's opportunistic. No one sues poor people or the homeless. It's all about money.
Well, sometimes people sue to right an injustice. And my point is, this is not the case here.
When I gave my iPad 3 to my wife, I performed a "reset to factory settings" first, and she proceeded to set it up with her own data and apps. No messaging problems or data artifacts whatsoever. We have SIX Apple devices between the two of us.
With all due respect, it sounds like we're missing part of the story here.
That's not the problem. You just removed a device, but kept your number in iMessage. The problem is removing your phone number from iMessage because you have zero Apple devices left.
Totally wrong. The user has always had the ability to decouple their Apple ID from their iPhone and Messages. The fact that they forgot to so before selling or changing their iPhone is the user’s problem.
Wrong. Say somebody has one Apple device. It gets lost or stolen or broken and they can't afford another one. Your solution: they should have wiped the device before it got stolen?
The web page only came up after what, a year or two of this disaster?
Sorry but Apple totally deserves to be sued over this. They just didn't want to support people switching away from the platform, which is simply bad business since that's another reason why they'll never switch back.
If you buy an Android phone you certainly won't be using Apple's Messages app.
I think we all know that? Not sure what you're clarifying. The point was this lady was having text messages sent to her iMessages account, intercepting them so she could not receive as SMS.
And instinctively further reduce the money Samsung has to pay Apple.
Why do they deserve to be sued? They already issued a fix. Once that was done the suit should have been dropped. I get trying to right a wrong and all that, but why should punitive damages be awarded because she didn't get some messages. If she could prove she lost a job or something because of it that is one thing, but because she was inconvenienced is not a reason to still keep a lawsuit alive after the issue has been resolved.
They also keep losing messages because they assign wrong device that might be in use by other person. You know if you deliver message then you should do it to all devices logged in - not to random one. Messages to me ended-up on family iPad souvenir thousands miles away overseas instead of on my iPhone.
I asked specifically Apple to remove any such odd preferences from my iPhone and I have to keep logged out from their iCloud. It is very annoying when Apple does not allow to set preferences on messaging type one wants to use and then their illogical solution forces wrong delivery... and then you cannot use iCloud or you will be assigned same illogical delivery method.
SMS is SMS not IM so it is time to understand that either Apple becomes telecommunication system supplier or identifies devices properly if this needs to be on Apple network. If I send message to phone number from phone - that means Apple is supposed to deliver on telecommunication channel - not on Internet IM solution and especially on limited Apple cloud (not everybody is on it). Also you do not force people to be on iCloud logged in in order to allow messages. SMS from phone is supposed to work to another phone - it is telecommunication standard - not Apple standard.
Why don't you learn how your devices work?
Go into settings, messages and tick and untick the various addresses iMessages will go to for each device.
Sue? For what reason? For a solve a technical problem or for punitive damages? Think carefully before you answer.