USPTO finds Apple iPhone design patent invalid in court fight against Samsung

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  • Reply 21 of 113
    grkm3 wrote: »
    Oh it so does,lg had there patents in-between the time frame and now if apples patent gets tossed,lg has there patents in place and could easily say something.

    You do know they were next after Samsung right?

    If you think LG is going to sue Apple, you're out of your mind.
  • Reply 22 of 113
    Apple should just dump iPhones for free in South Korea.
  • Reply 23 of 113
    grkm3grkm3 Posts: 30member
    If you think LG is going to sue Apple, you're out of your mind.

    They won't but lg had similar design patents and I don't care how big of an apple fan u can be but the f700 design was ripped off from Samsung making the final apple iPhone design.

    Because of the timing loop hole apple made it somehow got its final design patent(after they saw the f700)to backtrack before Samsung's patent.

    Everyone copies and apple has been known to patent troll and steal as much as they can while making others look bad.
    This is a US case. If one of the world's most innovative U.S. companies, who changed the stage of the entire mobile and tablet industry, is unable to protect its intellectual property on its own turf, then the nation's patenting agency is useless.

    Samsung made a buttload of money copying Apple, any amount spent on litigation was worthwhile.

    They have you so brain washed.Samsung patented the f700 before the iPhone patent but was thrown out because apple found a loop hole to predate a new patent after the Samsung was out to make it invalid.

    Apple straight up copied the f700 in the final iPhone 1 design.
  • Reply 24 of 113
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    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post





    Samsung has also managed to lose a lot of money recently. Their market position is being severely eroded by their low-end Chinese competition.

    True, however this is about Apple's intellectual property.

     

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by grkm3 View Post



    No one should be able to patent round corners on a cell phone.the patent is a joke from the get go and should never been validated in the first place.

    Although Apple intended to patent the ornamental design of the iPad, the patent examiner must-have failed to distinguish between the dotted lines and the solid lines and therefore unexpectedly approved a single solid line of a rectangle with rounded corners. This is actually an undesirable outcome for patent applicants since general patents are weak. Someone obviously wasn't paying attention.

     

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by grkm3 View Post





    They won't but lg had similar design patents and I don't care how big of an apple fan u can be but the f700 design was ripped off from Samsung making the final apple iPhone design.



    Oh boy:

    "... the F700 was announced in Feburary 2007 at Mobile World Congress, after the iPhone was announced in January at MacWorld" - The Verge

     

    "... This picture above says the F700 was shown at CeBit 2006, and then released in 2007, making Apple and the iPhone the one that copied them. This is completely false." and "Here is the next video, and it shows some hands-on of the F700 [March 2007] looking very much like not-final-hardware, or software for that matter. It barely worked." - Android Community

  • Reply 25 of 113
    v900v900 Posts: 101member
    grkm3 wrote: »
    They won't but lg had similar design patents and I don't care how big of an apple fan u can be but the f700 design was ripped off from Samsung making the final apple iPhone design.
    Apple straight up copied the f700 in the final iPhone 1 design.

    Hear that guys?!? Clearly Apple stole the design for the iPhone from Samsung!

    "F700
    Announced February 2007, Released December 2007"
    http://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_f700-1849.php

    When was the iPhone shown off for the first time? January 2007? February?

    *GASP* Those dastardly Apple-bullies! They used a time machine to swipe Samsungs design! Do they have any morals AT ALL?!?

    They even went so far as to deliberately copy a design that has some similarities with the iPhone, but is also clearly different from it. Has a different L*W ratio for example...

    It just... They're so sneaky and mean! If Apple was a person they'd be Hitler! Actually no... They'd be Hitlers puppy-killing evil twin!!!
  • Reply 26 of 113
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,362member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post





    Samsung has also managed to lose a lot of money recently. Their market position is being severely eroded by their low-end Chinese competition.

     

    Sure, but how is that even relevant to the point at hand, which is that Samsung has not suffered in any meaningful way directly from their blatant copying and their trial loss?

  • Reply 27 of 113
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,362member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by grkm3 View Post





    They won't but lg had similar design patents and I don't care how big of an apple fan u can be but the f700 design was ripped off from Samsung making the final apple iPhone design.



    Because of the timing loop hole apple made it somehow got its final design patent(after they saw the f700)to backtrack before Samsung's patent.



    Everyone copies and apple has been known to patent troll and steal as much as they can while making others look bad.

    They have you so brain washed.Samsung patented the f700 before the iPhone patent but was thrown out because apple found a loop hole to predate a new patent after the Samsung was out to make it invalid.



    Apple straight up copied the f700 in the final iPhone 1 design.

     

    You can't even compose a proper sentence, your facts are entirely wrong, yet you call others "brainwashed"? 

    God, what a sad troll you are. To state that the iPhone is "copied" from anything else just shows how utterly vapid and clueless you are. The hundreds of prototypes Apple designed disprove any such ridiculous assertion. 

  • Reply 28 of 113
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    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post



    Samsung has also managed to lose a lot of money recently. Their market position is being severely eroded by their low-end Chinese competition.

     

    Given the shed load of money that Apple is making on the iPhone, they should drop prices across the board by around (say) 10% which would force Samsung to do the same.  Samsung then drop the price of their flagship range and remove what profit they are making there.   If you could get a competitive lower end iPhone for much the same price as a piece of Samsung crap it might also compel them to drop their prices at  the lower end, driving them further into the race to the bottom with the Chinese makers. 

     

    Given Apple's margins I can't see a 10% drop would really hurt them since they would probably gain market share, whilst Samsung are making little to no profit on phones already so any price drop could only hurt them even more.

  • Reply 29 of 113
    Whatever. Despite this (apparently not actually final) decision, Apple is still winning by competing.

    That's not the point. And what if they wouldn't be winning at this stage?
  • Reply 30 of 113
    So the patent got tossed because of the wrong shade of grey and a dotted line vs a solid one?

    Of course, now I've seen the light. And it completely proves that Samsung didn't copy anything.

    *facepalm*
  • Reply 31 of 113
    You know guys, even as an Apple fan, you guys are really taking this too far. Samsung and Apple both had the ideas of smartphones with touch screens around the same time, no reason to argue over "who came first", all that matters is the fact that BOTH companies looked to making software and hardware for smartphones. Calling the Samsung phone's OS "buggy" is complete BS as I remembered the first iOS being very sluggish on my first iPhone from 2007. All that matters is that there was a patent, it showed it was from 2006, and that's a historical fact that can't be changed or opinionated. Even though the iPhone is superior, you can't knock down Samsung JUST because they were A MONTH LATE for announcing a phone they've been working on for over a year. If this is how ALL Apple fans act about Apple products and their completion, then you're all just as bad as Android users. Makes me ashamed that my fellow fans/friends would act like children over this. If you enjoy an iPhone and think nothing can compete with, then G4U, but don't argue when something's right, just respect and love the phone you have. As an iPhone 6 user, you guys are really disturbing in how far you'll go to defend your phone.
  • Reply 32 of 113
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
    v900 wrote: »

    It just... They're so sneaky and mean! If Apple was a person they'd be Hitler! Actually no... They'd be Hitlers puppy-killing evil twin!!!

    Wow, 26 postings for Godwin to kick in, not bad
  • Reply 33 of 113
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by v900 View Post

    They'd be Hitlers puppy-killing evil twin!!!

     

    Hey, at least use Mao. He killed more people and wouldn’t be wasteful; he’d eat the puppies.

  • Reply 34 of 113
    revenantrevenant Posts: 621member

    Apple files a patent for something that it created, used, manufactured and sold and the patent is scrapped by the US patent office

     

    then apple is sued by a company with a patent with the vaguest of descriptions by a company that manufactured nothing ever and the patent holds.

     

    i mean this with sincerity, what the h3ll is the point of your patent office, U.S.?

  • Reply 35 of 113
    grkm3grkm3 Posts: 30member
    slurpy wrote: »
    You can't even compose a proper sentence, your facts are entirely wrong, yet you call others "brainwashed"? 
    God, what a sad troll you are. To state that the iPhone is "copied" from anything else just shows how utterly vapid and clueless you are. The hundreds of prototypes Apple designed disprove any such ridiculous assertion. 

    Samsung faught in court for months to use the f700 as prior art design and was not allowed to use it.it was patented in late 2005 and had every feature Samsung was being sued for as prior art.

    Round corners with home button and large input screen etc.

    Those prototype phones looked nothing like the final iPhone
  • Reply 36 of 113
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    Originally Posted by grkm3 View Post



    This is no joke because of this time frame apple used it kept Samsung from using its f700 design patent in court and was thrown out the first time.



    Here is the Samsung phone before the iPhone but apple somehow got the iPhone design to get predated back because of some other bs filings they had.



    Be honest guys the f700 was designed and patented before the iPhone and you be the judge who had round corners first.






    *plonk*

     

    Edit: Sorry, Tallest, the Plonk wasn't for you.

  • Reply 37 of 113
    ecatsecats Posts: 272member

    In all it's an amusing exercise: One company can copy another thoroughly. However, for time and scope, the court case requires that the effected company only try a few patents instead of all valid requests.

     

    The defendant is thus able to target just a few patents over successive years of litigation and "anonymous" review requests. Even in circumstances where evidence details specific plans to copy their competitor. Meaning the patent holder is required again and again to assert their patent. In court through a long process and again to the patent office who seem to change their mind on the patentability of the patent.

     

    In the end it shows that it's entirely easy to work around the patent system. Any company with deep pockets can take patented ideas as they please, then simply draw out the legal process and protest the patents that were successfully leveraged in court.

     

    It provides very little reason to be innovative or finance research/development: since all ideas are simply up for theft for whoever is willing to split hairs long enough in the court system. (There is no "totality" of product.)

  • Reply 38 of 113
    grkm3grkm3 Posts: 30member
  • Reply 39 of 113
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ECats View Post

     

    In all it's an amusing exercise: One company can copy another thoroughly. However, for time and scope, the court case requires that the effected company only try a few patents instead of all valid requests.

     

    The defendant is thus able to target just a few patents over successive years of litigation and "anonymous" review requests. Even in circumstances where evidence details specific plans to copy their competitor. Meaning the patent holder is required again and again to assert their patent. In court through a long process and again to the patent office who seem to change their mind on the patentability of the patent.

     

    In the end it shows that it's entirely easy to work around the patent system. Any company with deep pockets can take patented ideas as they please, then simply draw out the legal process and protest the patents that were successfully leveraged in court.

     

    It provides very little reason to be innovative or finance research/development: since all ideas are simply up for theft for whoever is willing to split hairs long enough in the court system. (There is no "totality" of product.)




    I wonder how effective and in the long run fair it would be if instead the court would simply show the devices in question (alleged original and alleged copy) to a jury and ask them "Waddayathink?" Sure, there are cases that requirer deeper technical understanding of the subject, but in the case of design I would say the average Joe should be able to make that decision - as the average Joe is in the end chossing the product on the market as well.

     

    Yeah, I'm kidding, But would be nice if it worked like this: Quickly and efficiently. No?

  • Reply 40 of 113
    misamisa Posts: 827member
    Remember, Samsung's time and money has also been wasted. Plus their reputation took a big hit in the eyes of the public.

    Samsung's reputation has always been in the toilet:
    1) Korean electronics (and cars) are deemed inferior to Japanese electronics and cars
    2) Samsung has notoriously unreliable hardware, that doesn't even work. One bad device made by one Samsung Division means that person tells all their friends not to buy that brand of ANYTHING.


    Go look at the list of who makes cell phones, and see if you recognize any more than two non-US/Japanese brands.

    The general quality of mobile phone hardware goes:
    Japanese -> American -> European -> Korean -> Taiwan -> China(PRC)

    Any other countries hardware rarely even makes it over here.
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