Nokia may sell more Android phones than MS next year.
Like most everyone else, make very little to none in profits building Android phones. Then again they were selling millions of dumb phones and making very little profit also which is how Microsoft got their hands on them in the first place.
There's no money to be made with Android. There is zero money to be made on the hardware side of things, only in the services, that means really, only Google wins. They don't give a crap who makes and sells them or even if they make any money. It just doesn't matter. No one is going to want to use anyone else's services, only Google's!!!. Samsung keeps trying and all far it's all fail, and I'm sure Samsung Pay will fail with the rest.
It's interesting on how the reporting of the purchase price of the Nokia phone division by Microsoft continues to rise in the writing of reporters long after it's been done, and we know the actual price.
In reality, Microsoft paid about $4.9 billion for the Nokia phone division. They then also paid Nokia about $2.3 billion to license the relevant patents for ten years, non -exclusively. But reported prices keep ramping up.
Now, Microsoft did write down about $7.6 billion on the deal directly, and with write offs resulting from lessened plant value, worker compensation from layoffs and reorganization costs, the total is almost $10 billion.
So the write off resulting from this exceed the actual purchase cost by several billion.
Large companies don't work that way. I can say with almost 100% assurance that Elop had little to do with the decision by Nokia to make Win Phone to the detriment of Symbian.
Nokia had already made several large blunders. Ollie, the CEO at the time, was concerned that the smartphone industry had growth of 72% in a quarter, whereas their smartphone "only" grew by 36%. They were seeing the marketshare shrink. The first blunder was in thinking that the industry would continue growing at that great rate. The very next year, industry growth was down to half that.
By ignoring the iPhone, and making light of it (and Android) even six months before he was relieved of his post, and bumped to Chairman, with a temporary CEO put in place, it showed that Nokia still didn't get it.
But hiring Elop didn't result in making of Win Phone as a replacement for Symbian, there is simply no way that they would do that. It's just impossible that they wou,d hire him from Microsoft, and then let him choose which phone OS they would go with.
The board had already made that decision to look at Win Phone, and try to negotiate with Microsoft over how it would be done. There's no question that they made an agreement with Microsoft to move to Win Phone. It's also very likely that Elop was involved in that decision early on. In these discussions, a person to lead Nokia wou,d have come up, as Elop was the choice. Remember that Elop was in charge of Microsoft's professional software division. He was not a noted hardware guy.
It would seem strange, therefor, that Nokia would hire him with all of the other people in the industry they could have gotten, just out of the blue. Why him? Well, because he was a top person at Microsoft, and understood software. Likely both companies felt he would be a good center point for both. He went because he was given a good deal to go, and many of these top guys want to run their own company. Remember Ron Johnston moving from Apple stores to JC Penny.
The fact that the infamous memo came out which hastened the demise of Symbian was also possibly something that he actually wrote by himself, but also likely was approved by the board.
Entirely blaming him for the failure of Win Phone is simply wrong. It was too little too late.
Bij choice I have been using a Windows Phone, a Nokia (my wife is using my iPhone 6) with Windows 10 preview. And I put Windows 10 on my Mac Mini via Bootcamp. The phone and ecosystem needs work, but it could be a lot worse. And the looks and feels are great. I slowly start believing in Windows again.
Better click your heels together and say, "I believe," three times...
This user was trying to clear his personal data off his Win Phone ... tell me again where I put in the disc???
This wouldn't be a problem for Microsoft if it was in isolation, but let's add it to the 7.6 billion nokia write off, the 1 billion xbox write off, the 900 million surface rt write off, the 6.2 billion aquantive write off ...
It has always been that Microsoft's purchase of Nokia was to give them a position so they can switch Nokia brand into Microsoft brand. It was never their intention to keep Nokia, it's an acquisition after all. Elop, I'm sure departed a very rich man so his job was done. What hasn't been well is Microsoft mobile position, they thought by now they could get into a double digit marketshare at the very least and take the corporate and the Microsoft faithful marketshare. It has not panned out instead most of those folks went iOS and some went Android. It's all because Microsoft don't have enough resource and time to keep up with the ever changing mobile marketplace. I don't think Microsoft will ever win the mobile wars because Windows Mobile is trying too much to be like Apple.
I feel bad for the people who worked for Nokia, Finland does not have a whole lot and MS sent in Elop in to prepare for the take over and they totally distroy what was left.
Finland is just fine. 9th on the list of countries by wealth per adult. You have to scroll down a bit to find USA...
Because tech snobs love Nokia, but hate crappy headphones from Dr. Thug. /s
No, people hate what Microsoft has done to Nokia. Nokia, up until the N9 and N950 used to be my favorite mobile company. However that slug and Microsoft plant destoyed them. Yes I'm fully aware that Nokia wasn't doing that well even before Elop but with the N9 and plans to release even more phones based on MeeGo's were in the works, the N9 sold more than any Lumia phone that came after, now those sold numbers were no where near what Apple or Samsung is used to but it was a start of something. Windows Mobile just wasn't ready when it replaced MeeGo's as Nokia's OS of choice. In fact Windows 10 is just now starting to show that it can be a decent mobile OS. As far as I'm comcerned, Elop deserves to be dragged out into the street and tared and feather for what he and Microsoft did.
I can care less about headphones as they don't matter in the slightest, if people think that the Beats are worth their price, than so be it, though I would never buy anything that Dr. Woman Beater had anything to do with, it doesn't really concern me though. Their are still many options available for headphones, it's the mobile market that is in disarray. There is basically two choices for mobile OS's now, iOS and Android, sure their are others but even they now have to run Android apps just to keep them afloat. Apple and Android users might call this is a victory, I call it a travesty of the highest caliber. With the patent system being the way it is and everyone suing each each using this broken systems loop-holes, it will be a long while until we ever see something better.
This user was trying to clear his personal data off his Win Phone ... tell me again where I put in the disc???
Windows 10 is still in beta, this photo was taken from an early Alpha build, I know because I've seen it. It had a lot to do with that Windows 10 is identical to Windows 10 Mobile. This screen no longer exists but what does is Continuum, it's what we got out of this merger. Being able to connect our phones up to a Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse and having access to a full desktop experince. With a Qualcomm 808, 810 and 3GB - 4Gb of RAM at the heart of these new Lumia phones the desktop experince should also be pretty usable, almost to the point where a person will no longer need a desktop computer. With web apps being the way they are now, Microsoft wouldn't even have to have a decent app selection for this to work. Just a good Office suite, which they already do. At the very least their trying, which is a more than a lot of mobile companies are doing now.
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Like most everyone else, make very little to none in profits building Android phones. Then again they were selling millions of dumb phones and making very little profit also which is how Microsoft got their hands on them in the first place.
There's no money to be made with Android. There is zero money to be made on the hardware side of things, only in the services, that means really, only Google wins. They don't give a crap who makes and sells them or even if they make any money. It just doesn't matter. No one is going to want to use anyone else's services, only Google's!!!. Samsung keeps trying and all far it's all fail, and I'm sure Samsung Pay will fail with the rest.
In reality, Microsoft paid about $4.9 billion for the Nokia phone division. They then also paid Nokia about $2.3 billion to license the relevant patents for ten years, non -exclusively. But reported prices keep ramping up.
Now, Microsoft did write down about $7.6 billion on the deal directly, and with write offs resulting from lessened plant value, worker compensation from layoffs and reorganization costs, the total is almost $10 billion.
So the write off resulting from this exceed the actual purchase cost by several billion.
Large companies don't work that way. I can say with almost 100% assurance that Elop had little to do with the decision by Nokia to make Win Phone to the detriment of Symbian.
Nokia had already made several large blunders. Ollie, the CEO at the time, was concerned that the smartphone industry had growth of 72% in a quarter, whereas their smartphone "only" grew by 36%. They were seeing the marketshare shrink. The first blunder was in thinking that the industry would continue growing at that great rate. The very next year, industry growth was down to half that.
By ignoring the iPhone, and making light of it (and Android) even six months before he was relieved of his post, and bumped to Chairman, with a temporary CEO put in place, it showed that Nokia still didn't get it.
But hiring Elop didn't result in making of Win Phone as a replacement for Symbian, there is simply no way that they would do that. It's just impossible that they wou,d hire him from Microsoft, and then let him choose which phone OS they would go with.
The board had already made that decision to look at Win Phone, and try to negotiate with Microsoft over how it would be done. There's no question that they made an agreement with Microsoft to move to Win Phone. It's also very likely that Elop was involved in that decision early on. In these discussions, a person to lead Nokia wou,d have come up, as Elop was the choice. Remember that Elop was in charge of Microsoft's professional software division. He was not a noted hardware guy.
It would seem strange, therefor, that Nokia would hire him with all of the other people in the industry they could have gotten, just out of the blue. Why him? Well, because he was a top person at Microsoft, and understood software. Likely both companies felt he would be a good center point for both. He went because he was given a good deal to go, and many of these top guys want to run their own company. Remember Ron Johnston moving from Apple stores to JC Penny.
The fact that the infamous memo came out which hastened the demise of Symbian was also possibly something that he actually wrote by himself, but also likely was approved by the board.
Entirely blaming him for the failure of Win Phone is simply wrong. It was too little too late.
Another douche bag tries to bring politics that has nothing to do with the subject matter. Moron.
Bij choice I have been using a Windows Phone, a Nokia (my wife is using my iPhone 6) with Windows 10 preview. And I put Windows 10 on my Mac Mini via Bootcamp. The phone and ecosystem needs work, but it could be a lot worse. And the looks and feels are great. I slowly start believing in Windows again.
Better click your heels together and say, "I believe," three times...
This user was trying to clear his personal data off his Win Phone ... tell me again where I put in the disc???
Better click your heels together and say, "I believe," three times...
This user was trying to clear his personal data off his Win Phone ... tell me again where I put in the disc???
Really?
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It has always been that Microsoft's purchase of Nokia was to give them a position so they can switch Nokia brand into Microsoft brand. It was never their intention to keep Nokia, it's an acquisition after all. Elop, I'm sure departed a very rich man so his job was done. What hasn't been well is Microsoft mobile position, they thought by now they could get into a double digit marketshare at the very least and take the corporate and the Microsoft faithful marketshare. It has not panned out instead most of those folks went iOS and some went Android. It's all because Microsoft don't have enough resource and time to keep up with the ever changing mobile marketplace. I don't think Microsoft will ever win the mobile wars because Windows Mobile is trying too much to be like Apple.
I feel bad for the people who worked for Nokia, Finland does not have a whole lot and MS sent in Elop in to prepare for the take over and they totally distroy what was left.
Finland is just fine. 9th on the list of countries by wealth per adult. You have to scroll down a bit to find USA...
No, people hate what Microsoft has done to Nokia. Nokia, up until the N9 and N950 used to be my favorite mobile company. However that slug and Microsoft plant destoyed them. Yes I'm fully aware that Nokia wasn't doing that well even before Elop but with the N9 and plans to release even more phones based on MeeGo's were in the works, the N9 sold more than any Lumia phone that came after, now those sold numbers were no where near what Apple or Samsung is used to but it was a start of something. Windows Mobile just wasn't ready when it replaced MeeGo's as Nokia's OS of choice. In fact Windows 10 is just now starting to show that it can be a decent mobile OS. As far as I'm comcerned, Elop deserves to be dragged out into the street and tared and feather for what he and Microsoft did.
I can care less about headphones as they don't matter in the slightest, if people think that the Beats are worth their price, than so be it, though I would never buy anything that Dr. Woman Beater had anything to do with, it doesn't really concern me though. Their are still many options available for headphones, it's the mobile market that is in disarray. There is basically two choices for mobile OS's now, iOS and Android, sure their are others but even they now have to run Android apps just to keep them afloat. Apple and Android users might call this is a victory, I call it a travesty of the highest caliber. With the patent system being the way it is and everyone suing each each using this broken systems loop-holes, it will be a long while until we ever see something better.
Windows 10 is still in beta, this photo was taken from an early Alpha build, I know because I've seen it. It had a lot to do with that Windows 10 is identical to Windows 10 Mobile. This screen no longer exists but what does is Continuum, it's what we got out of this merger. Being able to connect our phones up to a Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse and having access to a full desktop experince. With a Qualcomm 808, 810 and 3GB - 4Gb of RAM at the heart of these new Lumia phones the desktop experince should also be pretty usable, almost to the point where a person will no longer need a desktop computer. With web apps being the way they are now, Microsoft wouldn't even have to have a decent app selection for this to work. Just a good Office suite, which they already do. At the very least their trying, which is a more than a lot of mobile companies are doing now.
Finland is just fine. 9th on the list of countries by wealth per adult. You have to scroll down a bit to find USA...
Lol, I looked this up cause it didn't sound quite right. You were looking at the list when it was in ALPHABETICAL ORDER.
Now, if you put it in net wealth per person order USA is 5th, while Finland is 20th on a list 34 OECD countries.
By purchasing power Finland is about 15% of US net financial wealth per person.