Here we have an example of First World problems at their finest.
But then again, so are obesity, diabetes, and whining about Apple's stock prices, and Apple Watch appears to be at the nexus of all three.
So, as an actual Apple Watch owner, I can tell you the watch beeps and does a taptic vibration to confirm. The NFC payment terminal also has LEDs that glow green to confirm. In case you didn't know, that's what it does.
Yeah, next step to wonderful life like on the Axiom ;-)
One question: As I am almost at the point of buying the watch, I am wondering how do choose a specific card for paying when you have more than one? I suppose you'll have one standard card designated and for using any other you need to pull up some app, like passbook.
Whether it's this port or not. Whether this is feasible in this generation or not, Apple would be mad to not look into additional functionality and sensors in the band, and creating some standard for other manufacturers.
Here we have an example of First World problems at their finest.
But then again, so are obesity, diabetes, and whining about Apple's stock prices, and Apple Watch appears to be at the nexus of all three. ;)
So, as an actual Apple Watch owner, I can tell you the watch beeps and does a taptic vibration to confirm. The NFC payment terminal also has LEDs that glow green to confirm. In case you didn't know, that's what it does.
Your snark is unnecessary and petty; please stop that as I was just providing information. I too am an actual Apple Watch owner, and a very happy one.
I appreciate your information about the beep, haptic feedback, and indicator on the NFC terminal. Yes those are good, and as a frequent user of Apple Pay via the Watch, I'm well aware of those. I was simply stating a wish-list that my preference would be to hold the watch in an upright position to that I could see the Watch screen when paying.
Some on this site always think Apple is stupid for not doing the obvious (in their opinion). These types went on and on about how the watch was not future proof and who would spend that kind of money only to fall behind with the next iteration. Well who’s stupid now?
I'll take a guess - people who gloat based on a rumor?
Just personal preference: I'd prefer a visual indicator that the payment succeeded. There IS a visual indicator on the Watch screen, you just can't see it (immediately) because of the roasted wrist. NFC in the band would fix that.
Not a big deal... just a wish-list item for me.
I imagine ever retailer POST is different, but the ones I use chime after a NFC hit. I've never had to think about wanting a visual indicator.
Yeah, next step to wonderful life like on the Axiom ;-)
One question: As I am almost at the point of buying the watch, I am wondering how do choose a specific card for paying when you have more than one? I suppose you'll have one standard card designated and for using any other you need to pull up some app, like passbook.
You can choose a default card yes. The Watch app on iOS lets you set the default. You can also add other cards and select it on the watch when you activate ApplePay.
Unlike the iPhone 6, you have to double click the Contacts button to activate Apple Pay (then you can hold it to the payment terminal). Simply holding it to a payment terminal won't activate it.
You can choose a default card yes. The Watch app on iOS lets you set the default. You can also add other cards and select it on the watch when you activate ApplePay.
Unlike the iPhone 6, you have to double click the Contacts button to activate Apple Pay (then you can hold it to the payment terminal). Simply holding it to a payment terminal won't activate it.
Adding to [@]Suddenly Newton[/@]'s comment, there is an audible sound and vibration when the payment goes through (unless you have that disabled) but it's really just easier to look at the readout on the terminal itself to see if the payment ha gone through since the watch face won't likely be facing you when the payment is going through. Also, if you access the Wallet app on wOS 2.0 (probably the same for the Passbook app on wOS 1.x) you can see your cards. If you then Force Touch it will give you an option to remove the card, but that's it. There is no other data or usage for your Apple Pay cards in Wallet. It will even bounce a white bar next to the Contacts button and tell you to double-tap it if you wish to use that card for a payment.
I used my watch with Apple Pay this morning. It's brilliant.
Adding to [@]Suddenly Newton[/@]'s comment, there is an audible sound and vibration when the payment goes through (unless you have that disabled) but it's really just easier to look at the readout on the terminal itself to see if the payment ha gone through since the watch face won't likely be facing you when the payment is going through. Also, if you access the Wallet app on wOS 2.0 (probably the same for the Passbook app on wOS 1.x) you can see your cards. If you then Force Touch it will give you an option to remove the card, but that's it. There is no other data or usage for your Apple Pay cards in Wallet. It will even bounce a white bar next to the Contacts button and tell you to double-tap it if you wish to use that card for a payment.
I used my watch with Apple Pay this morning. It's brilliant.
Sigh. The more you guys write about it the more I can't wait. My wife keeps teasing me to wait until gen 2 and when I compare the first two generations of the iPhone I can almost see how she'll be right.
But it's soo tempting. Must.....resist.....
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Sigh. The more you guys write about it the more I can't wait. My wife keeps teasing me to wait until gen 2 and when I compare the first two generations of the iPhone I can almost see how she'll be right.
But it's soo tempting. Must.....resist.....
Not
If you're talking about waiting for the next iPhone then, yes, wait less than a month, but if this is about waiting for the next Watch or for version 2 of ApplePay I would jump in now.
If you're talking about waiting for the next iPhone then, yes, wait less than a month, but if this is about waiting for the next Watch or foe version 2 of ApplePay I wouldn't jump in now.
dont understand your last comment - if its about waiting for the watch - would you wait, or would you jump in now and buy one?
i have a SS apple watch - if i lost it - i would be at the apple store the next day to replace it.
Yeah, next step to wonderful life like on the Axiom ;-)
One question: As I am almost at the point of buying the watch, I am wondering how do choose a specific card for paying when you have more than one? I suppose you'll have one standard card designated and for using any other you need to pull up some app, like passbook.
I imagine ever retailer POST is different, but the ones I use chime after a NFC hit. I've never had to think about wanting a visual indicator.
Yeah, but there IS a visual indicator, on the watch as well as the terminal. The Watch displays a green check mark icon. In practice, the pay terminal's indicator lights are the final word on whether the payment was accepted (the cashier will let you know too if it didn't go through).
But I agree with you: it's a complete non-issue for anyone who has used ApplePay from the watch. Apple has made it super easy, quick, and it gives audible, visual, and haptic feedback. The only way the Apple Watch could give you "more feedback" is if it stabbed you in the wrist, forcing you to tap "Dismiss pain" to end the agony, and then tap "Confirm" when prompted "Your payment was accepted." /s
Why? This sounds like a way for Apple to make improvements to the watch without having to release a new watch every year.
First, I made this comment with respect to the ongoing debate as to whether Apple will make future generations of the watch incompatible with the original bands. And my position on this is that Apple will do anything it wants if the design warrants it. Not that they will or won't. Those that suggest Apple won't make them incompatible because it would upset customers I feel are generally the same one's who think Apple will make the existing watch upgradable because of the initial cost. But this has never been a consideration by Apple in the past, nor for the typical customer Apple courts. This goes for your supposition that Apple could add functionality to a device without having a new band every year. Again, this in my mind is the same thinking as a customer who expects Apple to upgrade their old watch with the internals of the new, rather buying a whole new watch. This has simply never been Apple's M.O. For instance, I was hoping an external camera accessory would have been offered for the original iPad. But instead I was offered the iPad 2 if I wanted a camera. Setting aside the debate of whether this watch will be upgraded every year or every two, it's the equivalent of announcing that the iPhone 6 won't be upgraded to a 6S, but instead a plug in accessory, that gives the phone extra features and processing power will be sold instead, and be sold for much less. The competition would love that. Everything about that model lowers Apple's profit margins, and what happens if the customer isn't interested in whatever this fancy new accessory offers?
Nobody knows exactly what the "diagnostic port" is for. This may be a very good use for it. However, the port cover can't even be removed without disassembling the entire watch, according to iFixit. So this first generation watch may never be able to access that port, to allow smart bands on the first generation watch. And it may not have even been intended for that -- it's possible it is just a way for Apple to quickly load the millions of watches that are rolling off the assembly lines every day. Whatever it is there for, Apple considered it important enough to leave in the production models. But the fact it can't be accessed by the customer, or likely by an Apple employee in store, means it likely won't be something the first gen can ever use. To the extent Apple had this "smart band" concept in mind when they designed it, they did not implement it. And looking at that port, it doesn't seem like its a very practical design for use at present. Of course Apple could come up with any kind of mechanism that could easily access it. But in general, it looks like it needs more development. Moreover, there's not a port on both sides, which means only half the band can be utilized, or the connection is made across the buckle, which doesn't seem particularly practical or reliable.
Then there's Apples penchant for changing things. The first gen iPod connected via FireWire. The second introduced the 30-pin dock connector. There's no reason to believe a non-functional port is going to be the standard means by way these bands connect. If Apple redesigns this port for gen 2, it's entirely possible the band connector will be modified in an incompatible way for use with the first generation models. Now I would expect that once they implement this feature, it would be in their best interest to redesign it as little as possible. However, like many of my third party authorized accessories for the iPhone, many no longer function properly, if at all, from one upgrade to the next, because of internal changes, either pin outs or software changes. So while an expensive Smart Band will fit the next gen watch, it won't necessarily work.
Certainly if Apple makes subtle design changes that prevents previous bands from fitting perfectly with future models, that won't be a driving concern. As a fashion statement, why would Apple want a customer to use last season's bands with this year's models? I don't really see Apple getting heavily into the accessory watch band business. They're creating bands for sale with the original model, presumably designed exclusively for it. They will likely conceive all new bands for the next gen model, and like it or not will always sell the watches with the bands. Whether a customer starts a band collection for their watch, is not likely to influence whether Apple ensures those bands are compatible with every model they make. The smart band business complicates this even further, because it means on top of the basic band offerings Apple will have to create smart band offerings in an equally wide array of designs. Depending on what these bands add to the functionality of the watch, I can see Apple adding one or two such bands, but the burden of maintains all those bands will surely be shifted to third parties. Watch bands, nor presumably more expensive Smart bands will ever be as a big a profit center for Apple as the primary product itself.
This is what I expected out of the gate from the Apple watch and why I thought it would be a bigger deal. Now that it's added; it's going to revolutionize medical monitoring. They'll have 24/7 access to sophisticated tests on not only the afflicted, but the healthy.
Now if they can solve the "privacy issue" by anonymizing the data collection -- then people might share the data with researchers freely.
This is what I expected out of the gate from the Apple watch and why I thought it would be a bigger deal. Now that it's added; it's going to revolutionize medical monitoring. They'll have 24/7 access to sophisticated tests on not only the afflicted, but the healthy.
Now if they can solve the "privacy issue" by anonymizing the data collection -- then people might share the data with researchers freely.
Nothing has been added. Nothing has changed. This story is pure speculation.
... Nobody knows exactly what the "diagnostic port" is for. This may be a very good use for it. However, the port cover can't even be removed without disassembling the entire watch, according to iFixit.
Yes, iFixit's initial teardown, from April 23rd says "There's got to be an easier way to access the door than disassembling the whole watch". Apparently, nobody there thought to stick a needle in the cover's hole and just pop it off:
Just personal preference: I'd prefer a visual indicator that the payment succeeded. There IS a visual indicator on the Watch screen, you just can't see it (immediately) because of the roasted wrist. NFC in the band would fix that.
Not a big deal... just a wish-list item for me.
The sender indication isn't all that reliable: just yesterday (and it's happened before, Wegman's)) I got a "Done" message on my iPhone Apple Pay screen and from the vendor's end: nada. The only payment that's real is when the vendor has success and that's, it seems, indicated by a nice sound from their terminal I've come to realize. No chime from the vendor terminal and it's rinse:repeat. Probably an indication the glitch occurred upstream from the interaction between the terminal and the iDevice: they communicated just fine but the pay source was hashed somehow.
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Here we have an example of First World problems at their finest.
But then again, so are obesity, diabetes, and whining about Apple's stock prices, and Apple Watch appears to be at the nexus of all three.
So, as an actual Apple Watch owner, I can tell you the watch beeps and does a taptic vibration to confirm. The NFC payment terminal also has LEDs that glow green to confirm. In case you didn't know, that's what it does.
Yeah, next step to wonderful life like on the Axiom ;-)
One question: As I am almost at the point of buying the watch, I am wondering how do choose a specific card for paying when you have more than one? I suppose you'll have one standard card designated and for using any other you need to pull up some app, like passbook.
I appreciate your information about the beep, haptic feedback, and indicator on the NFC terminal. Yes those are good, and as a frequent user of Apple Pay via the Watch, I'm well aware of those. I was simply stating a wish-list that my preference would be to hold the watch in an upright position to that I could see the Watch screen when paying.
Some on this site always think Apple is stupid for not doing the obvious (in their opinion). These types went on and on about how the watch was not future proof and who would spend that kind of money only to fall behind with the next iteration. Well who’s stupid now?
I'll take a guess - people who gloat based on a rumor?
I imagine ever retailer POST is different, but the ones I use chime after a NFC hit. I've never had to think about wanting a visual indicator.
You can choose a default card yes. The Watch app on iOS lets you set the default. You can also add other cards and select it on the watch when you activate ApplePay.
Unlike the iPhone 6, you have to double click the Contacts button to activate Apple Pay (then you can hold it to the payment terminal). Simply holding it to a payment terminal won't activate it.
Thanks.
Adding to [@]Suddenly Newton[/@]'s comment, there is an audible sound and vibration when the payment goes through (unless you have that disabled) but it's really just easier to look at the readout on the terminal itself to see if the payment ha gone through since the watch face won't likely be facing you when the payment is going through. Also, if you access the Wallet app on wOS 2.0 (probably the same for the Passbook app on wOS 1.x) you can see your cards. If you then Force Touch it will give you an option to remove the card, but that's it. There is no other data or usage for your Apple Pay cards in Wallet. It will even bounce a white bar next to the Contacts button and tell you to double-tap it if you wish to use that card for a payment.
I used my watch with Apple Pay this morning. It's brilliant.
Sigh. The more you guys write about it the more I can't wait. My wife keeps teasing me to wait until gen 2 and when I compare the first two generations of the iPhone I can almost see how she'll be right.
But it's soo tempting. Must.....resist.....
Not
If you're talking about waiting for the next iPhone then, yes, wait less than a month, but if this is about waiting for the next Watch or for version 2 of ApplePay I would jump in now.
If you're talking about waiting for the next iPhone then, yes, wait less than a month, but if this is about waiting for the next Watch or foe version 2 of ApplePay I wouldn't jump in now.
dont understand your last comment - if its about waiting for the watch - would you wait, or would you jump in now and buy one?
i have a SS apple watch - if i lost it - i would be at the apple store the next day to replace it.
This will answer everything!
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I imagine ever retailer POST is different, but the ones I use chime after a NFC hit. I've never had to think about wanting a visual indicator.
Yeah, but there IS a visual indicator, on the watch as well as the terminal. The Watch displays a green check mark icon. In practice, the pay terminal's indicator lights are the final word on whether the payment was accepted (the cashier will let you know too if it didn't go through).
But I agree with you: it's a complete non-issue for anyone who has used ApplePay from the watch. Apple has made it super easy, quick, and it gives audible, visual, and haptic feedback. The only way the Apple Watch could give you "more feedback" is if it stabbed you in the wrist, forcing you to tap "Dismiss pain" to end the agony, and then tap "Confirm" when prompted "Your payment was accepted." /s
Nobody knows exactly what the "diagnostic port" is for. This may be a very good use for it. However, the port cover can't even be removed without disassembling the entire watch, according to iFixit. So this first generation watch may never be able to access that port, to allow smart bands on the first generation watch. And it may not have even been intended for that -- it's possible it is just a way for Apple to quickly load the millions of watches that are rolling off the assembly lines every day. Whatever it is there for, Apple considered it important enough to leave in the production models. But the fact it can't be accessed by the customer, or likely by an Apple employee in store, means it likely won't be something the first gen can ever use. To the extent Apple had this "smart band" concept in mind when they designed it, they did not implement it. And looking at that port, it doesn't seem like its a very practical design for use at present. Of course Apple could come up with any kind of mechanism that could easily access it. But in general, it looks like it needs more development. Moreover, there's not a port on both sides, which means only half the band can be utilized, or the connection is made across the buckle, which doesn't seem particularly practical or reliable.
Then there's Apples penchant for changing things. The first gen iPod connected via FireWire. The second introduced the 30-pin dock connector. There's no reason to believe a non-functional port is going to be the standard means by way these bands connect. If Apple redesigns this port for gen 2, it's entirely possible the band connector will be modified in an incompatible way for use with the first generation models. Now I would expect that once they implement this feature, it would be in their best interest to redesign it as little as possible. However, like many of my third party authorized accessories for the iPhone, many no longer function properly, if at all, from one upgrade to the next, because of internal changes, either pin outs or software changes. So while an expensive Smart Band will fit the next gen watch, it won't necessarily work.
Certainly if Apple makes subtle design changes that prevents previous bands from fitting perfectly with future models, that won't be a driving concern. As a fashion statement, why would Apple want a customer to use last season's bands with this year's models? I don't really see Apple getting heavily into the accessory watch band business. They're creating bands for sale with the original model, presumably designed exclusively for it. They will likely conceive all new bands for the next gen model, and like it or not will always sell the watches with the bands. Whether a customer starts a band collection for their watch, is not likely to influence whether Apple ensures those bands are compatible with every model they make. The smart band business complicates this even further, because it means on top of the basic band offerings Apple will have to create smart band offerings in an equally wide array of designs. Depending on what these bands add to the functionality of the watch, I can see Apple adding one or two such bands, but the burden of maintains all those bands will surely be shifted to third parties. Watch bands, nor presumably more expensive Smart bands will ever be as a big a profit center for Apple as the primary product itself.
This is what I expected out of the gate from the Apple watch and why I thought it would be a bigger deal. Now that it's added; it's going to revolutionize medical monitoring. They'll have 24/7 access to sophisticated tests on not only the afflicted, but the healthy.
Now if they can solve the "privacy issue" by anonymizing the data collection -- then people might share the data with researchers freely.
Nothing has been added. Nothing has changed. This story is pure speculation.
Purhaps longer battery life.
... Nobody knows exactly what the "diagnostic port" is for. This may be a very good use for it. However, the port cover can't even be removed without disassembling the entire watch, according to iFixit.
Yes, iFixit's initial teardown, from April 23rd says "There's got to be an easier way to access the door than disassembling the whole watch". Apparently, nobody there thought to stick a needle in the cover's hole and just pop it off:
Just personal preference: I'd prefer a visual indicator that the payment succeeded. There IS a visual indicator on the Watch screen, you just can't see it (immediately) because of the roasted wrist. NFC in the band would fix that.
Not a big deal... just a wish-list item for me.
The sender indication isn't all that reliable: just yesterday (and it's happened before, Wegman's)) I got a "Done" message on my iPhone Apple Pay screen and from the vendor's end: nada. The only payment that's real is when the vendor has success and that's, it seems, indicated by a nice sound from their terminal I've come to realize. No chime from the vendor terminal and it's rinse:repeat. Probably an indication the glitch occurred upstream from the interaction between the terminal and the iDevice: they communicated just fine but the pay source was hashed somehow.