China's fake Apple Stores alive and well, look to profit on iPhone 6s launch

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  • Reply 21 of 30

    … And some people still think Communism is an "economic" system rather than a political one.

  • Reply 22 of 30
    Citing the rampant counterfeiting in China, we should start imposing import tariffs on Chinese goods entering the U.S. Use the tariff money to fund more thorough inspections of incoming merchandise from China, looking for counterfeit products, products that infringe on U.S. copyrights, and products that don't meet our safety standards. Tell China that the tariffs go away when they start shutting down counterfeiters, confiscating the merchandise and ill-gotten gains, and sending the loot to the U.S. companies whose products and stores were counterfeited.
  • Reply 23 of 30
    How is this different than the more hyper-convenient way it happens here in the USA when it's lines of buyers hoping to resell via eBay? And many buyers a willingness to spend to avoid lines or waits? It's not, just another version of what many of you deride in your comments. It's far far better than the alternative, not many wanting what Apple produces.

    I visited a fake Apple store in Xian, China in 2012. They were selling real Apple products and thus helping Apple get that wider footprint while they (slowly) add their own stores in China. The alternative, only competing products up and down the streets of this heavily populated country, would be far worse. Which is why Apple seemed to be lodging no protests I was aware of against stores that sold genuine product they were somehow clearly supplying.
  • Reply 24 of 30
    jbdragonjbdragon Posts: 2,312member
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    Originally Posted by fmaxwell View Post



    Citing the rampant counterfeiting in China, we should start imposing import tariffs on Chinese goods entering the U.S. Use the tariff money to fund more thorough inspections of incoming merchandise from China, looking for counterfeit products, products that infringe on U.S. copyrights, and products that don't meet our safety standards. Tell China that the tariffs go away when they start shutting down counterfeiters, confiscating the merchandise and ill-gotten gains, and sending the loot to the U.S. companies whose products and stores were counterfeited.

     

    Now we're in a trade war as a result!  Prices for EVERYTHING in the U.S. goes up!  Since pretty much everything is coming from China!  U.S. goods going into China come to a stop, killing what's left of the Jobs in the U.S.   Apple would have huge issues.  Hardware being made could come to a screeching halt.   Your cure is worse then the problem.  The problem is huge, but the cure is worse.

  • Reply 25 of 30
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    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post



    Second, it says that there is still a lot of demand for Apple retail in China, giving that segment room to grow there.

     

    I agree. But I wonder how long this kind of overwhelming demand will last. 

     

    China's economy seems to be slowing down, and frankly, I don't trust the reassurances that the government is giving. I'm guessing there will be further trouble when sometime in the future, foreign companies get tired of China's shenanigans and stop outsourcing manufacturing there.

     

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    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post



    Part of the problem stems from an inadequate official retail presence in the region. Apple only had 22 stores serving all of China as of June. By comparison, there are 53 Apple Stores in California alone. The disparity is stands in contrast to China's market potential, which is widely viewed as vital to Apple's growth and sales sustainability. The company has plans to expand its retail footprint to 40 stores by 2016, however, the most recent being a second Hangzhou location in April.

     

    I think it is wise for Apple to continue to expand its retail footprint, but slowly and with an upper limit. China's puffed up economy must lose its steam some day.

  • Reply 26 of 30
    Originally Posted by kiowavt View Post

    How is this different than the more hyper-convenient way it happens here in the USA when it's lines of buyers hoping to resell via eBay?

     

    So sellers on eBay pretend to be Apple, do they?

     

    ...helping Apple...


     

    That’s not at all what is happening.

  • Reply 27 of 30

    At least their food isn't fake...um....

  • Reply 28 of 30
    Originally Posted by ds92jz View Post

    At least their food isn't fake...um....

     

    Hey, when you boil the dogs alive, you know you’re getting quality.

  • Reply 29 of 30
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    Hey, when you boil the dogs alive, you know you’re getting quality.


    Hey now...let's not go there.

  • Reply 30 of 30

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    Originally Posted by JBDragon View Post

     

     

    Now we're in a trade war as a result!  Prices for EVERYTHING in the U.S. goes up!  Since pretty much everything is coming from China!  U.S. goods going into China come to a stop, killing what's left of the Jobs in the U.S.   Apple would have huge issues.  Hardware being made could come to a screeching halt.   Your cure is worse then the problem.  The problem is huge, but the cure is worse.


     

    Economics is much more complicated than what you learned in high school, leading to your flawed conclusions (punctuated with an overabundance of exclamation points).

     

    Our massive trade imbalance with China (about a 4:1 ratio of Chinese imports to U.S. exports), combined with a Chinese economy in desperate straits, means that a trade war would be highly unlikely.  If one were to occur, it would be catastrophic to China, not the U.S., which is why China would not enter into a trade war. Chinese leaders know that, if the price of Chinese-made goods were to rise in the U.S., several things would happen:

     

    1.  Sales/imports of those Chinese products would drop, further crippling a Chinese economy that is almost in free-fall right now.

    2.  Manufacturing would move to other countries eager to wrest manufacturing jobs from China.

    3.  Some manufacturing would shift back to the U.S., leading to more money staying in the U.S. economy as those U.S. factory workers spent income at local merchants and service providers. 

     

    Your suggestion that "[h]ardware being made could come to a screeching halt" seems to be based on the flawed notion that China is the only country with manufacturing capabilities in the world. They are not. China's economy can't afford the massive loss of jobs that would result and countries like South Korea would be happy to take manufacturing business away from China.

     

    You claim that it could result in "U.S. goods going into China come to a stop."  Like Intel and AMD processors, which they need for manufacture of goods sold all over the world? 

     

    "Killing what's left of Jobs [Steve?] in the U.S."?  What? Our unemployment rate is about 5.1%, having been almost halved in six years.  We've been witnessing the best private sector jobs creation performance in American history, with the economy adding private sector jobs for 66 months straight.  Over 13 million private sector jobs have been created during that 5.5 year span.

     

    I live off of my investments, having retired in 2014 at the age of 52.  I've got a pretty solid understanding of this topic -- well beyond believing that every imposition of targeted tariffs results in a "trade war."

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