ifans so happy for the A9...comparison with Exynos 7420...
The A9 only pushed pixels on screen that are 1080 x 1920 pixels (~401 ppi pixel density)
,while the 7420 pushes 1440 x 2560 pixels (~577 ppi pixel density)...Imagine if the A9 was to push QHD Screen...you know the answer!!!
The 7420 is made of Quad-core 1.5 GHz Cortex-A53 & Quad-core 2.1 GHz Cortex-A57...and only the lower cores (1.5 GHz) are get to be tested in benchmarks while the bigger cores are iddle...uses whats called big.LITTLE...(if you have an S6 you can check the device spec on the benchmark App GeekBench)
So clearly the A9 big 2 cores are being compared with the 4 lower cores of the 7420...
The 4 big cores on the 7420 only come to play when there are heavy tasks...and running benchmarks isn't a heavy task.
Conclusion...7420 still beats anything out there including the A9...
Just thought I'd throw in another post about the fantastic 4k video being shot on the new 6s+.
This time from the guys at RGG Edu, a professional photography and film training company as well as active producer of some of the best product photography in the world.
[URL= 6S Plus Review | Initial Thoughts, Color Grading, Dynamic Range, & 4k Quality [/URL]
Notes: the most interesting aspect of this video and I would suggest it as a must see at the moment, is the range of color-grading affordable by the new 4k files. Also of note is that I don't agree with their "disappointments" because the phone AND the new iOS has only been out now for a little over a week, and I think certain features "might" be turned on in future updates or apps.
[URL= 6S Plus Review | Changing Dynamic Range in 4k Cribs Style[/URL]
The second video is also shot on the iPhone 6s+ and issues a response to the many people that would like to see how the footage INDOORS under different lighting conditions performs. The studio walk-thru is also VERY interesting and for many an Apple fan, a Dream Space!
Just thought I'd throw in another post about the fantastic 4k video being shot on the new 6s+.
This time from the guys at RGG Edu, a professional photography and film training company as well as active producer of some of the best product photography in the world.
Notes: the most interesting aspect of this video and I would suggest it as a must see at the moment, is the range of color-grading affordable by the new 4k files. Also of note is that I don't agree with their "disappointments" because the phone AND the new iOS has only been out now for a little over a week, and I think certain features "might" be turned on in future updates or apps.
The second video is also shot on the iPhone 6s+ and issues a response to the many people that would like to see how the footage INDOORS under different lighting conditions performs. The studio walk-thru is also VERY interesting and for many an Apple fan, a Dream Space!
^^^ Just a few people that I think might get something out of this post ^^^
Thanks much.
I have to say it is a nice feature. For the price it is fabulous and will be a great feature for amateurs and continues to move the bar ever up and forwards in the quality of video (hopefully more of the general public learn to shoot video in landscape mode too lol). That said from what I can tell, allowing for YouTube, the image seems smeary and blocky if you nit pick, especially when any movement is occurring. That's totally to be expected IMHO and Apple have done a darn good. It can only get better in subsequent models. My lust for 4K video remains but unlike all other formats where I jumped in at the bleeding edge I have taken a wait and see approach this time.
It doesn't merely beat them, it creams them. The S6 has a notorious rep for gobbling the battery, especially when using processor intensive app (like Games, video processing, etc). You hear about that all the time in Android forums (but nobody will ever admit in an Apple forum...).
The key in a processor is run fast then sleep using as little power as you can, transition from one state to another as efficiently as you can, and use the cores as efficiently as you can. That's better done by using powerful wide little cores.
As for what's "better", since to run an App as fast as Apple's A9, those multi core monsters would have to wake up the cores when doing something intense (by groups of 4!) and schedule crap accross all of them, even if its not suited to it, and then wait for those threads to end to put the CPU sections (big-little cores) to sleep, I'm doubting the power efficiency of all this very very much.
BTW, Intel seems to have gone the Apple way in their low power devices, not the multi-core way of other Android makers.
Multi-core does make sense if you have an energy budget to feed them and the ability to dissipate the heat (like in a Desktop or a large laptop).
When running relatively less power intensive tasks those multicore beast would perform relatively OK, but still slower than the A9, but in intensive tasks it would gobble up battery, heat and throttle. That's what happens in real life right now.
You keep on going on about the S6 battery life being poor. Could you back that up with something non-anecdotal? GSM arena have a standardised testing methodology for phone battery endurance benchmarking, which seems like a very reasonable approach. They give the S6/Edge a battery endurance rating of 73hr while the iP6 gets 61hr and the 6 Plus 79hr.
Phonearena also have a standardised endurance benchmark. Using that they rate the Apple iP6s at 8:15, the Samsung S6 Edge at 8:11, the iPhone 6 Plus at the iP6 at 6:32 and the iP6 at 5:22.
So two review sites that use standardised benchmarks report the Samsung S6 as having noticeably better battery life than the iP6.
Combining the S6 excellent battery life with it's very rapid charger, a quick charge of 10min giving 4hrs of run-time, and the convenience of also being able plonk it down on an inductive charging pad for more leisurely charging, the whole energy management experience is going to be whole lot better than an iPhone 6 and more akin to that of an IP6 Plus.
I have to say it is a nice feature. For the price it is fabulous and will be a great feature for amateurs and continues to move the bar ever up and forwards in the quality of video (hopefully more of the general public learn to shoot video in landscape mode too lol). That said from what I can tell, allowing for YouTube, the image seems smeary and blocky if you nit pick, especially when any movement is occurring. That's totally to be expected IMHO and Apple have done a darn good. It can only get better in subsequent models. My lust for 4K video remains but unlike all other formats where I jumped in at the bleeding edge I have taken a wait and see approach this time.
Took the words right of my keyboard... normally.
I've decided to jump on this new tech for a couple of reasons:
1) there's going to be a lot of people (current and potential clients) that I believe are going to need help dealing with these videos, whether storage, editing, or advanced usage. This is the space I like to occupy, where everyone can't afford the added hardware and software tools, to make these technologies truly work for them.
2) close on the heals of reason one is that I'm kind of expected to do this, so I'm kind of doing it out of necessity and protection of ego and pride in knowing what I'm talking about (well... sometimes anyway... )
No thanks necessary! I like being the unpaid, unheralded, and under-appreciated contributor to AI without being "automated" or a name of a ghost...
really? Android is a crappy system? sure android might be bloated but thats because Google made the software layer not the heart of it. At the heart of it is Linux, and linux is one the best operating systems out there.
That's why it is so prevalent in the general public ... oh wait a minute ...
Seriously that's a non sequitur, just because Linux is neat for Geeks and servers doesn't equate to Google's mess being good because it is based on it!
I've decided to jump on this new tech for a couple of reasons:
1) there's going to be a lot of people (current and potential clients) that I believe are going to need help dealing with these videos, whether storage, editing, or advanced usage. This is the space I like to occupy, where everyone can't afford the added hardware and software tools, to make these technologies truly work for them.
2) close on the heals of reason one is that I'm kind of expected to do this, so I'm kind of doing it out of necessity and protection of ego and pride in knowing what I'm talking about (well... sometimes anyway... )
No thanks necessary! I like being the unpaid, unheralded, and under-appreciated contributor to AI without being "automated" or a name of a ghost...
Well I'm sure you'll have fun to say the least.
My 2 cents: I have all the editing equipment required, new Mac Pro, FCPro, RAID etc. .. but I'm not sure there is a business in editing others' 4K iPhone video. Once this stuff gets down the the level of iPhone Joe Public seems to manage fine on their own with the tools Apple provide and they'd hardly pay my rates or yours I suspect. From DTP, through early non linear editing and so on, the only way to make money was to be bleeding edge and I chickened out this time around being semi retired. If I get a 4K video camera it will be for my own fun. I suspect my days of getting involved with clients are pretty much over. I prefer taking cruises with free drinks packages now
My 2 cents: I have all the editing equipment required, new Mac Pro, FCPro, RAID etc. .. but I'm not sure there is a business in editing others' 4K iPhone video. Once this stuff gets down the the level of iPhone Joe Public seems to manage fine on their own with the tools Apple provide and they'd hardly pay my rates or yours I suspect. From DTP, through early non linear editing and so on, the only way to make money was to be bleeding edge and I chickened out this time around being semi retired. If I get a 4K video camera it will be for my own fun. I suspect my days of getting involved with clients are pretty much over. I prefer taking cruises with free drinks packages now
Ah yes... The Life of Riley: I just don't think I'll ever be a member of that clan. I'm still having too much fun staying young (at heart at least)
However with that statement comes the truth that it wasn't so much fun the last few years. I've done so many business "pivots" I'm dizzy! But with each pivot which I previously hadn't done since the mid 90's, even if it's a change-up and you wiff on it, you learn more about the direction you should go and your focus gets sharper. Nothing new to you I'm sure... just putting it out there.
You're most certainly right on about consumer ease of use weaseling in to dampen demand. Almost every pro photographer is in the middle (with no end in sight) of an existance crisis. It's these that I hope to help give assistance to, since many are still struggling to remain simple photographers and have said they just can't see themselves going in the video/film services direction. I'm visionary enough though that with the iPhone 6s+ in their hands, they'll dabble... and then want pro editing, just the sames as retouch and compositing I provide now. Not as much as in years past, but that's where the 4k will fill that hole.
Then there's my love of the back-end archiving and search solutions, I should be busy for a while yet until the next DTP or 4k comes along. I hear their working hard at getting 8k off the ground, and VR looks fun, although I just don't know how that will affect design just yet. And I'm not sure.. um... if my heart could take moving (back into) adult entertainment ????!... which again this time I think will once again be the industry that determines whether VR will be a hit or a niche just for *hardcore gamers.
*** Never been there as a gamer or otherwise and don't ever plan on it! Glamour is my game ????
DED wrote an Op-ed piece, not a research paper. The "OP" part of that means "OPINION." So, no footnotes and clarifying statements needed.
These are all "Power-Saving CPUs, if you will. Not one is designed for a desktop computer, so suck an egg over the Exynos power-saving A53 quad.
Apple R & D is doing many things to make the competition's products suck air, some even the competition could do if they were so inspired. In doing so, Apple is leveraging their ability to better fit hardware to iOS software. That's an advantage Apple has, and they are wisely exploiting it. Anyone could go and write software like Metal, to optimize the gap between (lets call it machine language) and a compiled high-level language. But no one has, and if they start today they will still be years behind Apple,,,meanwhile Apple will continue to move the mileposts, so there's little hope of any competitors closing the gap between Apple and the also-rans.
@Macky the Macky : his article was not published as an "op-ed", rather as, a "hand-on." Then he cited bogus footnotes, benchmarks and, most laughably, his own article, as primary source. My point here is that all his articles should be treated as "op-ed;" not based on facts or reality, but one blogger's opinion grounded on wishful thinking.
No, stop making stuff up. LOL!! All mobile SOCs are LP, low-power, but only a few are dual "power-saving" arch. In Samsung's Exynos 7442, the main A57 quad cores are not "power-saving," the slower "power-saving" 53 quad cores are. That's a huge difference -- whether you are technical enough understand the difference is another matter, as evident in your comment.
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ifans so happy for the A9...comparison with Exynos 7420...
The A9 only pushed pixels on screen that are 1080 x 1920 pixels (~401 ppi pixel density)
,while the 7420 pushes 1440 x 2560 pixels (~577 ppi pixel density)...Imagine if the A9 was to push QHD Screen...you know the answer!!!
The 7420 is made of Quad-core 1.5 GHz Cortex-A53 & Quad-core 2.1 GHz Cortex-A57...and only the lower cores (1.5 GHz) are get to be tested in benchmarks while the bigger cores are iddle...uses whats called big.LITTLE...(if you have an S6 you can check the device spec on the benchmark App GeekBench)
So clearly the A9 big 2 cores are being compared with the 4 lower cores of the 7420...
The 4 big cores on the 7420 only come to play when there are heavy tasks...and running benchmarks isn't a heavy task.
Conclusion...7420 still beats anything out there including the A9...
This time from the guys at RGG Edu, a professional photography and film training company as well as active producer of some of the best product photography in the world.
[URL=
Notes: the most interesting aspect of this video and I would suggest it as a must see at the moment, is the range of color-grading affordable by the new 4k files. Also of note is that I don't agree with their "disappointments" because the phone AND the new iOS has only been out now for a little over a week, and I think certain features "might" be turned on in future updates or apps.
[URL=
The second video is also shot on the iPhone 6s+ and issues a response to the many people that would like to see how the footage INDOORS under different lighting conditions performs. The studio walk-thru is also VERY interesting and for many an Apple fan, a Dream Space!
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^^^ Just a few people that I think might get something out of this post ^^^
BIG thanks for the tip!
Thanks much.
I have to say it is a nice feature. For the price it is fabulous and will be a great feature for amateurs and continues to move the bar ever up and forwards in the quality of video (hopefully more of the general public learn to shoot video in landscape mode too lol). That said from what I can tell, allowing for YouTube, the image seems smeary and blocky if you nit pick, especially when any movement is occurring. That's totally to be expected IMHO and Apple have done a darn good. It can only get better in subsequent models. My lust for 4K video remains but unlike all other formats where I jumped in at the bleeding edge I have taken a wait and see approach this time.
Seconded.
It doesn't merely beat them, it creams them. The S6 has a notorious rep for gobbling the battery, especially when using processor intensive app (like Games, video processing, etc). You hear about that all the time in Android forums (but nobody will ever admit in an Apple forum...).
The key in a processor is run fast then sleep using as little power as you can, transition from one state to another as efficiently as you can, and use the cores as efficiently as you can. That's better done by using powerful wide little cores.
As for what's "better", since to run an App as fast as Apple's A9, those multi core monsters would have to wake up the cores when doing something intense (by groups of 4!) and schedule crap accross all of them, even if its not suited to it, and then wait for those threads to end to put the CPU sections (big-little cores) to sleep, I'm doubting the power efficiency of all this very very much.
BTW, Intel seems to have gone the Apple way in their low power devices, not the multi-core way of other Android makers.
Multi-core does make sense if you have an energy budget to feed them and the ability to dissipate the heat (like in a Desktop or a large laptop).
When running relatively less power intensive tasks those multicore beast would perform relatively OK, but still slower than the A9, but in intensive tasks it would gobble up battery, heat and throttle. That's what happens in real life right now.
You keep on going on about the S6 battery life being poor. Could you back that up with something non-anecdotal? GSM arena have a standardised testing methodology for phone battery endurance benchmarking, which seems like a very reasonable approach. They give the S6/Edge a battery endurance rating of 73hr while the iP6 gets 61hr and the 6 Plus 79hr.
Phonearena also have a standardised endurance benchmark. Using that they rate the Apple iP6s at 8:15, the Samsung S6 Edge at 8:11, the iPhone 6 Plus at the iP6 at 6:32 and the iP6 at 5:22.
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/benchmarks
So two review sites that use standardised benchmarks report the Samsung S6 as having noticeably better battery life than the iP6.
Combining the S6 excellent battery life with it's very rapid charger, a quick charge of 10min giving 4hrs of run-time, and the convenience of also being able plonk it down on an inductive charging pad for more leisurely charging, the whole energy management experience is going to be whole lot better than an iPhone 6 and more akin to that of an IP6 Plus.
Took the words right of my keyboard... normally.
I've decided to jump on this new tech for a couple of reasons:
1) there's going to be a lot of people (current and potential clients) that I believe are going to need help dealing with these videos, whether storage, editing, or advanced usage. This is the space I like to occupy, where everyone can't afford the added hardware and software tools, to make these technologies truly work for them.
2) close on the heals of reason one is that I'm kind of expected to do this, so I'm kind of doing it out of necessity and protection of ego and pride in knowing what I'm talking about (well... sometimes anyway...
No thanks necessary! I like being the unpaid, unheralded, and under-appreciated contributor to AI without being "automated" or a name of a ghost...
That's why it is so prevalent in the general public ... oh wait a minute ...
Seriously that's a non sequitur, just because Linux is neat for Geeks and servers doesn't equate to Google's mess being good because it is based on it!
Well I'm sure you'll have fun to say the least.
My 2 cents: I have all the editing equipment required, new Mac Pro, FCPro, RAID etc. .. but I'm not sure there is a business in editing others' 4K iPhone video. Once this stuff gets down the the level of iPhone Joe Public seems to manage fine on their own with the tools Apple provide and they'd hardly pay my rates or yours I suspect. From DTP, through early non linear editing and so on, the only way to make money was to be bleeding edge and I chickened out this time around being semi retired. If I get a 4K video camera it will be for my own fun. I suspect my days of getting involved with clients are pretty much over. I prefer taking cruises with free drinks packages now
Ah yes... The Life of Riley: I just don't think I'll ever be a member of that clan. I'm still having too much fun staying young (at heart at least)
However with that statement comes the truth that it wasn't so much fun the last few years. I've done so many business "pivots" I'm dizzy! But with each pivot which I previously hadn't done since the mid 90's, even if it's a change-up and you wiff on it, you learn more about the direction you should go and your focus gets sharper. Nothing new to you I'm sure... just putting it out there.
You're most certainly right on about consumer ease of use weaseling in to dampen demand. Almost every pro photographer is in the middle (with no end in sight) of an existance crisis. It's these that I hope to help give assistance to, since many are still struggling to remain simple photographers and have said they just can't see themselves going in the video/film services direction. I'm visionary enough though that with the iPhone 6s+ in their hands, they'll dabble... and then want pro editing, just the sames as retouch and compositing I provide now. Not as much as in years past, but that's where the 4k will fill that hole.
Then there's my love of the back-end archiving and search solutions, I should be busy for a while yet until the next DTP or 4k comes along. I hear their working hard at getting 8k off the ground, and VR looks fun, although I just don't know how that will affect design just yet. And I'm not sure.. um... if my heart could take moving (back into) adult entertainment ????!... which again this time I think will once again be the industry that determines whether VR will be a hit or a niche just for *hardcore gamers.
*** Never been there as a gamer or otherwise and don't ever plan on it! Glamour is my game ????
DED wrote an Op-ed piece, not a research paper. The "OP" part of that means "OPINION." So, no footnotes and clarifying statements needed.
These are all "Power-Saving CPUs, if you will. Not one is designed for a desktop computer, so suck an egg over the Exynos power-saving A53 quad.
Apple R & D is doing many things to make the competition's products suck air, some even the competition could do if they were so inspired. In doing so, Apple is leveraging their ability to better fit hardware to iOS software. That's an advantage Apple has, and they are wisely exploiting it. Anyone could go and write software like Metal, to optimize the gap between (lets call it machine language) and a compiled high-level language. But no one has, and if they start today they will still be years behind Apple,,,meanwhile Apple will continue to move the mileposts, so there's little hope of any competitors closing the gap between Apple and the also-rans.
@Macky the Macky : his article was not published as an "op-ed", rather as, a "hand-on." Then he cited bogus footnotes, benchmarks and, most laughably, his own article, as primary source. My point here is that all his articles should be treated as "op-ed;" not based on facts or reality, but one blogger's opinion grounded on wishful thinking.
No, stop making stuff up. LOL!! All mobile SOCs are LP, low-power, but only a few are dual "power-saving" arch. In Samsung's Exynos 7442, the main A57 quad cores are not "power-saving," the slower "power-saving" 53 quad cores are. That's a huge difference -- whether you are technical enough understand the difference is another matter, as evident in your comment.
really the A9 is super advanced? than why is my android phone in general faster to the a9?