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If my phone had number-two damage, I'm not sure I'd want it repaired.</div></div><p> </p>
The humour here is really going down the toilet.
I think it is you, sir, with the crappy sense of humor.
I thought about that. I know that consumer silicone caulking produces acetic acid as it cures - which would be very undesirable inside a phone case. I wonder if there are other types of silicone gels/pastes that can cure without the acid by product?
water proofing would be great. i've lost a phone to water damage in the past.
predictions for iphone 7??
- optical stabilization in all phones - better/stronger glass - wireless charging ability via accessory - always on subscreen (e-ink) with status/notifications
That case gasket is very tiny and thin. I wonder how it is put in place during assembly? Robots or human? Seem that such a thing would be very difficult to handle and install correctly every time.
I'd guess that they use a vacuum tool to pick them up; perhaps a more complex tool on a robot that picks and places them to maximize production rate.
On a serious note, I'm looking for a better way to clean the TouchID button. It doesn't work if your fingers are too dry so there will be oil deposited on the button. I use a cotton cloth (yes, my shift) to carefully wipe it off but I'd really like to find a proper, non-conductive (?) solvent that could be used on a regular basis to keep it clean. Has anyone found something that won't short out the phone or cause any damage?
On a serious note, I'm looking for a better way to clean the TouchID button. It doesn't work if your fingers are too dry so there will be oil deposited on the button. I use a cotton cloth (yes, my shift) to carefully wipe it off but I'd really like to find a proper, non-conductive (?) solvent that could be used on a regular basis to keep it clean. Has anyone found something that won't short out the phone or cause any damage?
Omnicleanz from Radtech. I've used it for years at home and work and it never disappoints. I clean screens, keyboards, computer exteriors and phone exteriors with it. http://www.radtech.us/products/omnicleanz
It is non-conductive, non-toxic, bio-degradable and odorless. Personally, I think it is nothing but extreme high purity water that has been de-ionized to parts per trillion or something like that. Water is the universal solvent after all.
That case gasket is very tiny and thin. I wonder how it is put in place during assembly? Robots or human? Seem that such a thing would be very difficult to handle and install correctly every time.
I saw a comment on the ifixit website asking about the "adhesive" and whether they were going to get a chemical analysis of it. Would be interesting to know. I put my bet on it being put on by a very small robot using a liquid product that solidifies after the front is attached.
And I know people that have done this. Women, not just men with phone/backpocket issues!
And yes, this looks like "anti-toilet / drink spillage" technology.
Dunno why Apple don't just do the hydrophobic nanocoating that other phones do though. Must affect display quality or wear off or something.
From carrier employees I've talked to over the years, the biggest cause of toilet incidents is women putting their purse on the tank and then the phone falling out and into the bowl. With men it was using it while at the urinal.
Omnicleanz from Radtech. I've used it for years at home and work and it never disappoints. I clean screens, keyboards, computer exteriors and phone exteriors with it. http://www.radtech.us/products/omnicleanz
It is non-conductive, non-toxic, bio-degradable and odorless. Personally, I think it is nothing but extreme high purity water that has been de-ionized to parts per trillion or something like that. Water is the universal solvent after all.
Won't this cause the water detectors to trip? Of course you turn off the phone and wait for it to dry but I'd think something that dries quicker than water would be beneficial. Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.
I checked out the website, interesting product and they show iPods and phones as well as saying it can be used on live, low-voltage devices. I wonder if Apple has tried it and warranties its use on iPhones. (I know, they would never put it in writing.)
Won't this cause the water detectors to trip? Of course you turn off the phone and wait for it to dry but I'd think something that dries quicker than water would be beneficial.
Good question. On phones I typically spray it on a microfiber cloth or non-marring towelette and then wipe the phone. This would not activate the moisture detectors.
First, sealing connectors is not going to stop water damage, water connecting any two pins of the any of the chipes is enought to kill the parts. Spending money on a seal for connections is not worth the time, effort and cost since it will not stop the major source of water induced failures which are the chips themselves.
My belief these parts are in fact to help ensure the connectors stay connected during a drop event. I heard feedback from Apple employees they have been seening connectors come loose and had to fix them when people have issues with the phone. My son dropped his phone a number of time with his otterbox case on it which protect it from surface damage but the phone began having intermitten issue. He took it to the store and they open it up and said some of the connectors were loose. This make more sense since dropping the phone happens more often than someone dumping their phone in the toilet.
Now the seal around the display, I blieve this is a security seal. The reason I said this I was speaking with supplier who makes this kind of stuff and they let it slip they were working on a security adhesive for a large consumer electronics company so they would know if someone open the device. I think Apple wants to know if you open the phone to fix something and if it has been open they will not honory the warranty.
That fraction will be significant, as someone I know who works in a repair shops says that the vast majority of people bring in phones with water damage, mostly coming from phones that fell into toilets.
At that point I wouldn't care. Toss the phone, I sure don't want to touch it, let alone place it near my head.
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I think it is you, sir, with the crappy sense of humor.
It might be applied as a liquid that sets?
I thought about that. I know that consumer silicone caulking produces acetic acid as it cures - which would be very undesirable inside a phone case. I wonder if there are other types of silicone gels/pastes that can cure without the acid by product?
predictions for iphone 7??
- optical stabilization in all phones
- better/stronger glass
- wireless charging ability via accessory
- always on subscreen (e-ink) with status/notifications
That case gasket is very tiny and thin. I wonder how it is put in place during assembly? Robots or human? Seem that such a thing would be very difficult to handle and install correctly every time.
I'd guess that they use a vacuum tool to pick them up; perhaps a more complex tool on a robot that picks and places them to maximize production rate.
If my phone had number-two damage, I'm not sure I'd want it repaired.
But would the data be wiped?
Nothing is too small for Apple to consider improving.
On a serious note, I'm looking for a better way to clean the TouchID button. It doesn't work if your fingers are too dry so there will be oil deposited on the button. I use a cotton cloth (yes, my shift) to carefully wipe it off but I'd really like to find a proper, non-conductive (?) solvent that could be used on a regular basis to keep it clean. Has anyone found something that won't short out the phone or cause any damage?
On a serious note, I'm looking for a better way to clean the TouchID button. It doesn't work if your fingers are too dry so there will be oil deposited on the button. I use a cotton cloth (yes, my shift) to carefully wipe it off but I'd really like to find a proper, non-conductive (?) solvent that could be used on a regular basis to keep it clean. Has anyone found something that won't short out the phone or cause any damage?
Omnicleanz from Radtech. I've used it for years at home and work and it never disappoints. I clean screens, keyboards, computer exteriors and phone exteriors with it. http://www.radtech.us/products/omnicleanz
It is non-conductive, non-toxic, bio-degradable and odorless. Personally, I think it is nothing but extreme high purity water that has been de-ionized to parts per trillion or something like that. Water is the universal solvent after all.
That case gasket is very tiny and thin. I wonder how it is put in place during assembly? Robots or human? Seem that such a thing would be very difficult to handle and install correctly every time.
I saw a comment on the ifixit website asking about the "adhesive" and whether they were going to get a chemical analysis of it. Would be interesting to know. I put my bet on it being put on by a very small robot using a liquid product that solidifies after the front is attached.
Some people can't be trusted to to to the toilet!
And I know people that have done this. Women, not just men with phone/backpocket issues!
And yes, this looks like "anti-toilet / drink spillage" technology.
Dunno why Apple don't just do the hydrophobic nanocoating that other phones do though. Must affect display quality or wear off or something.
From carrier employees I've talked to over the years, the biggest cause of toilet incidents is women putting their purse on the tank and then the phone falling out and into the bowl. With men it was using it while at the urinal.
Omnicleanz from Radtech. I've used it for years at home and work and it never disappoints. I clean screens, keyboards, computer exteriors and phone exteriors with it. http://www.radtech.us/products/omnicleanz
It is non-conductive, non-toxic, bio-degradable and odorless. Personally, I think it is nothing but extreme high purity water that has been de-ionized to parts per trillion or something like that. Water is the universal solvent after all.
Won't this cause the water detectors to trip? Of course you turn off the phone and wait for it to dry but I'd think something that dries quicker than water would be beneficial. Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.
I checked out the website, interesting product and they show iPods and phones as well as saying it can be used on live, low-voltage devices. I wonder if Apple has tried it and warranties its use on iPhones. (I know, they would never put it in writing.)
Won't this cause the water detectors to trip? Of course you turn off the phone and wait for it to dry but I'd think something that dries quicker than water would be beneficial.
Good question. On phones I typically spray it on a microfiber cloth or non-marring towelette and then wipe the phone. This would not activate the moisture detectors.
If my phone had number-two damage, I'm not sure I'd want it repaired.
The humour here is really going down the toilet.
I think it is you, sir, with the crappy sense of humor.
There is always someone who's gotta be the turd in the punch bowl.
Great move by Apple. Should reduce the amount of water-damage claims they need to honor.
What's to honour?
Liquid damage voids the warranty.
First, sealing connectors is not going to stop water damage, water connecting any two pins of the any of the chipes is enought to kill the parts. Spending money on a seal for connections is not worth the time, effort and cost since it will not stop the major source of water induced failures which are the chips themselves.
My belief these parts are in fact to help ensure the connectors stay connected during a drop event. I heard feedback from Apple employees they have been seening connectors come loose and had to fix them when people have issues with the phone. My son dropped his phone a number of time with his otterbox case on it which protect it from surface damage but the phone began having intermitten issue. He took it to the store and they open it up and said some of the connectors were loose. This make more sense since dropping the phone happens more often than someone dumping their phone in the toilet.
Now the seal around the display, I blieve this is a security seal. The reason I said this I was speaking with supplier who makes this kind of stuff and they let it slip they were working on a security adhesive for a large consumer electronics company so they would know if someone open the device. I think Apple wants to know if you open the phone to fix something and if it has been open they will not honory the warranty.
Good idea to not advertise ANY water resistance or waterproofing. All that would do is motivate the #gate whores to redouble their efforts.
#gatewhoresgate ??
That fraction will be significant, as someone I know who works in a repair shops says that the vast majority of people bring in phones with water damage, mostly coming from phones that fell into toilets.
At that point I wouldn't care. Toss the phone, I sure don't want to touch it, let alone place it near my head.