Why couldn't Sorkin just make a movie about a fictional character influenced by the life of Steve Jobs?
Because Sorkin is opportunitstic and wants to take advantage of Steve Jobs name.
Haha. First it is so funny that you take yourself so seriously and fail to see the irony of your stance on opportunism. What strikes me as opportunistic is AI trying to benefit from both sides of this and of course the fact that this whole site exist on the opportunistic hope of exposing Apple insider news before any of the other sites like this.
You lost me at "A humanizing, honest and emotional portrayal" considering the people he worked with said that much of the movie never happened the way it did.
I haven't seen much commentary on the movie, not in general release, from people inside Apple.
It would help if Sorkin at least talked to the people who really knew Jobs. But from what I've heard the only person he talked to that really knew Jobs was Woz. Most others said that he movie does not accurately portray Jobs at all. At least have the decentcy to ask the people who really knew Jobs what he was like. Its telling that the Steve Jobs estate did not give this movie the stamp of approval.
Woz did say the movie is good......but the media forgets to mention that Woz got paid $200,000 to be a consultant in the movie.
So you want the movie to talk to people who knew jobs but when it does you dismiss it because they were paid. But any consultant would be paid.
Woz and sculley are both on record that the movies dialogue between their characters and that of jobs is entirely fictional.
Woz and Sculley both consulted.
Here's the thing about historical drama. It's never a documentary. You can be certain that a movie on Naploean or a play on Caesar will not have the exact words spoken, in the exact order spoken, or even at the exact place they were spoken. As long as you get the gist.
Et tu, AI. Taken from Shakespeare's appalling play on Caesar where Caesar supposedly said "et tu, Brutus" but didn't in reality. Shakespeare made all the dialogue up and has his characters speaking a language in the play they didn't speak in reality, because it didn't exist. Nobody who knew Caesar was consulted ( they were "dead" according to Shakespeare) and most people who played Caesar historically didn't look like him. Shocking play. Read a history book.
There was an episode of "The Big Interview with Dan Rather" a couple years ago where he interviewed Aaron Sorkin. I think that anyone interested in this film and its "accuracy" or lack thereof should search it out on YouTube or wherever.
I fully agree, because I believe those years were far more influential in the growth of the Apple we know today, than the Macintosh years. I would go so far as to say SJ was a completely different man when he came back from his hiatus.
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Tim Cook doesn't have a problem with these movies because they're all lies, he has a problem with them because Steve was his friend and he doesn't want to see a movie about his friend that contains painful truths.
nope, you're just making that up. quote him, please, if you aren't making that up.
What have you seen about this film that can be defined a ridiculous distortion? From the trailers and my long history of what I've read it all seems to fit with how I'd describe the man.
sorry, but you're in no position to discern truth from fiction when it comes to jobs. nor anyone on this site, most likely.
sorry, but you're in no position to discern truth from fiction when it comes to jobs. nor anyone on this site, most likely.
I'm not? We're not? By that reasoning then the new pictures of Pluto, and NASA saying there is still water on Mars you would then claim are just as likely to be false information. I've never seen the FAA HQ so maybe that's all a lie, too. Maybe Steve Jobs isn't actually dead since I've never exhumed his body and compared DNA samples. Does DNA even exist? I can't see it so how can I really know?¡
I'm interpreting his public quotes and using some common sense. Do you really take every quote you hear at face value?
you're attempting to declare Cooks opinions and motivations when in fact you're completely ignorant about them. you've likely never been in the same room together let alone met the man or have any insight into his thoughts.
I'm not? We're not? By that reasoning then the new pictures of Pluto, and NASA saying there is still water on Mars you would then claim are just as likely to be false information. I've never seen the FAA HQ so maybe that's all a lie, too. Maybe Steve Jobs isn't actually dead since I've never exhumed his body and compared DNA samples. Does DNA even exist? I can't see it so how can I really know?¡
I trust the NASA findings because they were in the room. you've never been in the room with Jobs during any of these events, nor have you met him, talked with him, etc. nor do you know his friends. you're a guy who reads shit on websites, just like me. we aren't experts on the truth of these people. we're just fanboys. surely you realize that.
I trust Cook on these matters because he has been the man in hand room, and did know him well. but as noted even Cook wasn't there in the early chapters, and those that were weren't in the later chapters.
I trust the NASA findings because they were in the room. you've never been in the room with Jobs during any of these events, nor have you met him, talked with him, etc. nor do you know his friends. you're a guy who reads shit on websites, just like me. we aren't experts on the truth of these people. we're just fanboys. surely you realize that.
1) You trust an agency funded by the US gov't who now has 1/10th of the budget they had 50 years ago over your own common sense? I don't. I trust my common sense and having read about Steve since the 1980's I feel confident I can create a decent picture of the man without having met him (as if a meeting with him once would be enough to know anyone), or getting NASA to sign off on my interpretation of the man.
2) No, I'm not a fanboy, because I don't blindly put my trust in any one company. If you want a fanboy see sog35's posts. I analyze the fuçk out shit and even though today I mostly use Apple for my CE, I will drop them in a heartbeat if someone comes out with something that better suits my needs. In fact, as I've stated on this site many times, I love my Amazon Echo and the new Fire TV supporting both 4K with H.265 encoded content and being an Alexa extender, is leaning me toward buying it over a new Apple TV. I will still use my Mac mini as the iTunes Server but will just re-enable Plex Server and use the Fire TV UI for it. The biggest holdout for me right now are the mixed reviews I've read about the Plex app for the Fire TV.
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I haven't seen much commentary on the movie, not in general release, from people inside Apple.
So you want the movie to talk to people who knew jobs but when it does you dismiss it because they were paid. But any consultant would be paid.
Woz and Sculley both consulted.
Here's the thing about historical drama. It's never a documentary. You can be certain that a movie on Naploean or a play on Caesar will not have the exact words spoken, in the exact order spoken, or even at the exact place they were spoken. As long as you get the gist.
Et tu, AI. Taken from Shakespeare's appalling play on Caesar where Caesar supposedly said "et tu, Brutus" but didn't in reality. Shakespeare made all the dialogue up and has his characters speaking a language in the play they didn't speak in reality, because it didn't exist. Nobody who knew Caesar was consulted ( they were "dead" according to Shakespeare) and most people who played Caesar historically didn't look like him. Shocking play. Read a history book.
There was an episode of "The Big Interview with Dan Rather" a couple years ago where he interviewed Aaron Sorkin. I think that anyone interested in this film and its "accuracy" or lack thereof should search it out on YouTube or wherever.
It could be very enlightening.
Bill Gates looming over the cast on that screen behind them would have made this more realistic for me.
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I've got tickets to see the film at the London Film Festival in a couple of weeks. Looking forward to it.
I've got tickets to see the film at the London Film Festival in a couple of weeks. Looking forward to it.
That sounds like loads of fun. Is anyone going to be there talking afterwards?
Eh, sorry, what? How the **** can a movie about a real person "honest", while making no attempts to be "accurate"?
Come on, AI.
That sounds like loads of fun. Is anyone going to be there talking afterwards?
No, I believe that the director and cast will introduce the film though.
Exactly. So far all the "reviews" I've seen esentially say the same thing which makes me question if this is just PR spin.
The film makes no major efforts to be historically accurate, but that's not really the point.
Actually, when you do a biography about a real person and actual events it really IS the point.
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the writer being a jackass has nothing to do with the creative product. duh.
nope, you're just making that up. quote him, please, if you aren't making that up.
sorry, but you're in no position to discern truth from fiction when it comes to jobs. nor anyone on this site, most likely.
nope, you're just making that up. quote him, please, if you aren't making that up.
I'm interpreting his public quotes and using some common sense. Do you really take every quote you hear at face value?
ignorant nonsense. a film can be good and still wrong, or still opportunistic. being entertaining was never the question.
I'm not? We're not? By that reasoning then the new pictures of Pluto, and NASA saying there is still water on Mars you would then claim are just as likely to be false information. I've never seen the FAA HQ so maybe that's all a lie, too. Maybe Steve Jobs isn't actually dead since I've never exhumed his body and compared DNA samples. Does DNA even exist? I can't see it so how can I really know?¡
you're attempting to declare Cooks opinions and motivations when in fact you're completely ignorant about them. you've likely never been in the same room together let alone met the man or have any insight into his thoughts.
in other words, you're just making shit up. next.
I trust the NASA findings because they were in the room. you've never been in the room with Jobs during any of these events, nor have you met him, talked with him, etc. nor do you know his friends. you're a guy who reads shit on websites, just like me. we aren't experts on the truth of these people. we're just fanboys. surely you realize that.
I trust Cook on these matters because he has been the man in hand room, and did know him well. but as noted even Cook wasn't there in the early chapters, and those that were weren't in the later chapters.
1) You trust an agency funded by the US gov't who now has 1/10th of the budget they had 50 years ago over your own common sense? I don't. I trust my common sense and having read about Steve since the 1980's I feel confident I can create a decent picture of the man without having met him (as if a meeting with him once would be enough to know anyone), or getting NASA to sign off on my interpretation of the man.
2) No, I'm not a fanboy, because I don't blindly put my trust in any one company. If you want a fanboy see sog35's posts. I analyze the fuçk out shit and even though today I mostly use Apple for my CE, I will drop them in a heartbeat if someone comes out with something that better suits my needs. In fact, as I've stated on this site many times, I love my Amazon Echo and the new Fire TV supporting both 4K with H.265 encoded content and being an Alexa extender, is leaning me toward buying it over a new Apple TV. I will still use my Mac mini as the iTunes Server but will just re-enable Plex Server and use the Fire TV UI for it. The biggest holdout for me right now are the mixed reviews I've read about the Plex app for the Fire TV.