The NSA must have cracked Apple's encryption. That's why they've changed their tune.
Yep - there is no other conceivable explanation. Any explanations such as that they realized that there would be too many legal obstacles, or that the public resistance would be too great - unthinkable.
So they tried threats and paranoia. That didn't work so now they are trying a little sugar. Same old, same old.
Obama? If anything, the righty freedom fighters should be thanking him. Just one administration back you know full well they would be hard core looking to force something into the Patriot Act to let them have unfettered access. Smartly so, the current administration would like to avoid a long protracted legal battle ending in the Supreme Court and most likely an embarrassing loss and at the least, more and more embarrassing revelations about what has gone on since the government discovered there was an internet.
"waterrockets 10/09/2015 03:41 PM Quote: Originally Posted by kent909
Maybe Obama just wants to avoid the embarrassment of when they all tell him to FO. After all who owns who and who tells who what to do. Let's not kid ourselves.
You're not too familiar with the Justice system in the US, are you?"
You don't really understand too much about this or Washington politics, do you? I suppose if Obama belonged to a different party you wouldn't feel the same.
If anything, the righty freedom fighters should be thanking him. Just one administration back you know full well they would be hard core looking to force something into the Patriot Act to let them have unfettered access.
More likely, you don't. With two once quite prominent family members part of previous White House administrations and my father's cousin a cabinet member of a past Republican administration, I comprehend and know a lot about that process than you are likely to ever understand. My background, unlike yours, isn't third hand and hearsay.
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With two once quite prominent family members part of previous White House administrations and my father's cousin a cabinet member of a past Republican administration
So... no actual evidence that you know anything. Just fallacies.
I comprehend and know a lot about that process than you are likely to ever understand.
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My background, unlike yours, isn't third hand and hearsay.
Which you know, of course, because you’re magical and know everything.
Thats funny they have a picture in the article of the nsa's petabyte storage facility in utah at camp williams military base. Its right across the valley from my house lol.
Just to be sure everybody is aware, the Federal Government of the United States of America used the same "we need to see your stuff to prevent terrorism" argument to get luggage lock makers to add master keys. Then some titan of intellect held up a keychain of the TSA master keys at a press conference. Now, you can get files to produce your own with a rapid prototyping machine. How long do you think it would be before any master cryptographic key was leaked similarly?
Keys are physical objects. They don't care if you believe in truth, justice and the American way. If you have the key, you can get into the lock. Now consider that cryptographic keys aren't even that discriminating. A cryptographic key is a number. All of cryptography depends on keeping these numbers secret. If you have the key, decrypting a message is math. That's it. There isn't even a way to make it tamper-evident.
You mean the justice system that prosecuted zero CEO's or high level executives for the financial meltdown in 2008, where trillions of dollars were stolen from the economy.
So, as an example for inability to act, you provide an example of an unwillingness to act?
If you believe that effective intelligence-based actions have not been important in preventing terrorist activities on US soil, then who, or what do you think has been responsible, in the face of substantial determination by numerous, well-funded organizations to conduct such activities?
The government does not cite a single case in which analysis of the NSA’s bulk metadata collection actually stopped an imminent terrorist attack. Given the limited record before me at this point in the litigation — most notably, the utter lack of evidence that a terrorist attack has ever been prevented because searching the NSA database was faster than other investigative tactics — I have serious doubts about the efficacy of the metadata collection program as a means of conducting time-sensitive investigations in cases involving imminent threats of terrorism.
If you believe that effective intelligence-based actions have not been important in preventing terrorist activities on US soil, then who, or what do you think has been responsible, in the face of substantial determination by numerous, well-funded organizations to conduct such activities?
Sorry, what was that?
The government does not cite a single case in which analysis of the NSA’s bulk metadata collection actually stopped an imminent terrorist attack. Given the limited record before me at this point in the litigation — most notably, the utter lack of evidence that a terrorist attack has ever been prevented because searching the NSA database was faster than other investigative tactics — I have serious doubts about the efficacy of the metadata collection program as a means of conducting time-sensitive investigations in cases involving imminent threats of terrorism.
Firstly, it was a question. Secondly, the question was not at all restricted to the issue of call metadata collection - it was, in response to a broader statement, about intelligence activities in general.
I have no idea whether metadata has been useful. I would have expected that, in certain situations and with suitable analysis, it could be, but I'm skeptical that its value justifies the means.
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The NSA must have cracked Apple's encryption. That's why they've changed their tune.
Yep - there is no other conceivable explanation. Any explanations such as that they realized that there would be too many legal obstacles, or that the public resistance would be too great - unthinkable.
Obama? If anything, the righty freedom fighters should be thanking him. Just one administration back you know full well they would be hard core looking to force something into the Patriot Act to let them have unfettered access. Smartly so, the current administration would like to avoid a long protracted legal battle ending in the Supreme Court and most likely an embarrassing loss and at the least, more and more embarrassing revelations about what has gone on since the government discovered there was an internet.
"waterrockets 10/09/2015 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by kent909
Maybe Obama just wants to avoid the embarrassment of when they all tell him to FO. After all who owns who and who tells who what to do. Let's not kid ourselves.
You're not too familiar with the Justice system in the US, are you?"
Clearly, he isn't.
You don't really understand too much about this or Washington politics, do you? I suppose if Obama belonged to a different party you wouldn't feel the same.
You don’t seem to comprehend American politics.
You don’t seem to comprehend American politics.
More likely, you don't. With two once quite prominent family members part of previous White House administrations and my father's cousin a cabinet member of a past Republican administration, I comprehend and know a lot about that process than you are likely to ever understand. My background, unlike yours, isn't third hand and hearsay.
Says the person claiming there are only two black and white factions of political thought.
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
So... no actual evidence that you know anything. Just fallacies.
Says the person claiming there are only two black and white factions of political thought.
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
Which you know, of course, because you’re magical and know everything.
Thats funny they have a picture in the article of the nsa's petabyte storage facility in utah at camp williams military base. Its right across the valley from my house lol.
Another smart move by Obama.
Just to be sure everybody is aware, the Federal Government of the United States of America used the same "we need to see your stuff to prevent terrorism" argument to get luggage lock makers to add master keys. Then some titan of intellect held up a keychain of the TSA master keys at a press conference. Now, you can get files to produce your own with a rapid prototyping machine. How long do you think it would be before any master cryptographic key was leaked similarly?
Keys are physical objects. They don't care if you believe in truth, justice and the American way. If you have the key, you can get into the lock. Now consider that cryptographic keys aren't even that discriminating. A cryptographic key is a number. All of cryptography depends on keeping these numbers secret. If you have the key, decrypting a message is math. That's it. There isn't even a way to make it tamper-evident.
You mean the justice system that prosecuted zero CEO's or high level executives for the financial meltdown in 2008, where trillions of dollars were stolen from the economy.
So, as an example for inability to act, you provide an example of an unwillingness to act?
You are paranoid.
I give you a real life, documented example of how companies get strong armed into cooperating with the secret service and you call me paranoid? Okay.
If you believe that effective intelligence-based actions have not been important in preventing terrorist activities on US soil, then who, or what do you think has been responsible, in the face of substantial determination by numerous, well-funded organizations to conduct such activities?
Sorry, what was that?
No, it wasn't an example of that, for the reason I stated.
Firstly, it was a question. Secondly, the question was not at all restricted to the issue of call metadata collection - it was, in response to a broader statement, about intelligence activities in general.
I have no idea whether metadata has been useful. I would have expected that, in certain situations and with suitable analysis, it could be, but I'm skeptical that its value justifies the means.