Steve, you deserve to be beatch slapped.

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in General Discussion edited January 2014
I want to make a compendium here of every web outlet that has been black-listed by Apple for spreading rumors, posting inside info, etc etc...



All of those who've had their press passes revoked. Both those whom we know for certain to be banned from the press rooms and those who we suspect are banned.



I think it's time for the mac-press/enthusiast sites to become extremely critical of Apple. Moreover, we need to start fabricating convincing rumors based on ANY (even REMOTE) industry developments. Either give us a better peek, or suffer the consequences. Then you can be virtually guaranteed that whatever you release people will be dissapionted. but the real truth is that rumor sites hardly hurt your business at all, you do that all by yourself with the delusional combinations of price and specification you like to pass off as competitive. Times must be pretty tough when you have to turn to the mac-press/fans and blame them for a plethora of hardware inadequacies.



F U Steve, F U and your stupid turtle neck, you know what you can do with that nice chrome iMac arm, go FVCK yourself. You're so lucky I don't live in New-York: had I press pass I'd make sure to embarass the fvck out of you with all the kinds of questions you'd hate to hear.



"These sure are nice looking machines, but why do they cost so much more than... followed by examples A, B, C."



or,



"You claim there's a megahurts myth, and prominently advertise the idea that the mac architecture outperforms x86, but why do independent timed tests of both machines at the same and significantly lower price points consistently outperform the mac by a considerable margin?"



and there are so many more that can just put the thought out there, right at the moment when you don't want anyone to hear it, and can't do anything about it but outright lie, fumble awkwardly, snap back, give the finger... just the few moments of awkward silence. RDF destabilizers of the first order. I think it's best to play nice with the people that keep you in turtle necks and jets Mr Jobs.



In closing, FVCK-YOU, and your PR BEATCH!
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  • Reply 1 of 27
    sebseb Posts: 676member
    lame thread



    somebody needs a hobby and a prozac
  • Reply 2 of 27
    emaneman Posts: 7,204member
    [quote]Originally posted by seb:

    <strong>lame thread



    somebody needs a hobby and a prozac</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Well some of what Matsu said was true.
  • Reply 3 of 27
    sebseb Posts: 676member
    [quote]Originally posted by EmAn:

    <strong>



    Well some of what Matsu said was true.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    It would be nice if you gave an example?



    Do PCs have a faster MHz/GHz rating yes?



    Many people need to be able to have a metric such as clock speed to rank a device (such as a computer) by. It's easier for them to think bigger numbers automatically equal better. 5 is bigger than 2, so 5 must be better right?



    In my experience, there is often an intangible value that most things have, or don't have. There is a certain value proposition that should be considered when comparing Macs to PCs. Personally, I don't give a sh!t if one part of a computer is this ][ much faster than another. I care about what I can do with it. What does it do for me? I apply this to all product decisions. I don't buy big shoes, just because bigger is better or tall shoes cause taller is better, I buy what fits, what suits my needs do. I like the look? Will they last?



    If the value of a product has to be explained to you with a number, then you'll get a product with a better number. That's the way it goes. Does the average consumer judge by the number? Maybe so. Matsu doesn't own a Mac and probably never will. Sure, Apple could make a cheap box with nothing but a big number but that really wouldn't help them in the consumer market regardless of what people think. Macs have to have the value proposition. They have to offer something PCs don't. MHz ain't it.



    If a person wants a pair of payless redwings with thick sole, they're welcome to wear them. It won't make them run faster.



    [ 07-05-2002: Message edited by: seb ]</p>
  • Reply 4 of 27
    [quote]Originally posted by seb:

    <strong>lame thread



    somebody needs a hobby and a prozac</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Amen.
  • Reply 5 of 27
    [quote]Originally posted by seb:

    <strong>lame thread



    somebody needs a hobby and a prozac</strong><hr></blockquote>Agreed.



    Oh, boo-hoo. I don't get an exclusive press pass; so, I'll have to sit out in the crowd with the rest of those l4m3rs. Mean ol' Stevie won't let me peek behind the curtain! Shucks! I'm gonna have to go throw a tantrum now because "they" are obviously all out to get me. I hate you Apple. I'll never buy one of your computers again! Waaah!!



    <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
  • Reply 6 of 27
    jimmacjimmac Posts: 11,898member
    Yes, the recent thing on MOSR is a good example. Claiming that denying them a press pass at MW will lead to " chapter 11 " is just self absorbed and foolish.
  • Reply 7 of 27
    As I mentioned in another thread, this isn't just rumors sites. This is Apple being picky about who they want there and who they don't. Bottom line is that Macworld is Apple's party, and they can invite and not invite whoever they want. But it isn't about rumors. Sites that publish worthwhile content are on the shit list too.



    It's really not cool, because getting press credentials and being able to go to the show, get free lunch and breakfast in the press lounge, get into users conferences, etceteras are the twice a year perks that a lot of these people enjoy. And it's nice, because most of the people running these sites lose money on them.



    At any rate, Apple is shitting on people that provide a valuable service to our little community. These people don't have to do it, but they do, and it feels good to be able to go to a Macworld and get some of these perks.
  • Reply 8 of 27
    rokrok Posts: 3,519member
    just in case this thread gets read more, i thought it worthwhile to mention that even macfixit.com has been denied press passes based off, what i can only assume, their comments on rumors circa macworld san francisco (and, if i remember right, by their own admission, they weren't going to, until apple started to fan the flames with their week of teasers leading up to the big imac unveiling).



    apple does realize that macworld, indirectly, and their subsidiary maccentral, directly, have commented on circulated rumors in the past, right? so i guess macworld should get denied press passes from, uh, macworld, by that logic.



    <img src="graemlins/embarrassed.gif" border="0" alt="[Embarrassed]" /> <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> :eek: :confused:
  • Reply 9 of 27
    airslufairsluf Posts: 1,861member
  • Reply 10 of 27
    ghost_user_nameghost_user_name Posts: 22,667member
    True, it's Apple's party, and they can invite whoever they want. But still, the bottom line is that there has been criteria set forth that is required by any publication to receive press credentials. Most of the sites that are now being denied credentials actually meet that criteria. If Apple would like to be nicer about it, then they should update that criteria... but until then, people are being unfairly turned away, and that just isn't cool.



    A lot of the publications have good writers that devote a lot of time to the site. They have a lot of traffic, and I tend to read them more than MacCentral... yet MacCentral is on the list, and pretty much everyone else is not. They should at least put a clause on the requirements for press credentials that each publication submitting a request for such credentials can be denied with no explanation. Instead, this is coming out of the blue, with no explanation at all.



    I'm not arguing that it may be illegal... I mean, this isn't a public even, it's Apple's own little party, and they control the invite list. Suck it up? Yeah, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't be upset about a sudden change in policy that came without any warning or explanation whatsoever.



    The criteria for obtaining press credentials can be found at...



    <a href="http://www.macworldexpo.com/macworldexpo/v31/index.cvn?ID=10246"; target="_blank">http://www.macworldexpo.com/macworldexpo/v31/index.cvn?ID=10246</a>;
  • Reply 11 of 27
    spookyspooky Posts: 504member
    Its worrying when apple starts behaving in a mean spirited, business suited, stuck up, non caring way just like . . like . . well, like Microsoft really.



    C'mon apple. Just concentrate on producing Insanely great products. Everything else is just BS.
  • Reply 12 of 27
    serranoserrano Posts: 1,806member
    there's no need to bully the press.
  • Reply 13 of 27
    spotbugspotbug Posts: 361member
    This is gonna sound harsh, but keep in mind this is my opinion of what I think Apple thinks, not what I think. I believe Apple decided to crack-down on press passes. Somebody at Apple decided they were giving out too many of them. So they sort of made a list of people that were getting pass, but now weren't gonna.



    When it came time for reasons, well, they aren't under any obligation to give reasons. Plus, you aren't press anymore, so go away (Apple speaking, not me). If they don't consider you press, you aren't (from their point of view). That's how press passes are given - you get them if the giver says you're press. So, they said, just to say something "we don't like rumors." They could have said, "we don't like rumors or, possibly, you're too small to get all this free food and a nice seat when everybody else has to pay. You're free-loading off the press pass system here, buddy. Now you aren't."
  • Reply 14 of 27
    splinemodelsplinemodel Posts: 7,311member
    Matsu has been a whiner for a while now. I think we've said many times:



    If you don't like Apple, don't buy macs.



    Now, I think Steve's a dick, too, but whatever decision he makes is just what I have to accept as an Apple user. So far he hasn't done anything particularly annoying.
  • Reply 14 of 27
    junkyard dawgjunkyard dawg Posts: 2,801member
    Rumor sites don't deserve press passes, give me a break. All they do is make up a bunch of crap and then post it as inside info from their "mole" or "industrial spies".



    Freeloaders complaining that they can't freeload any longer, that's what it is.
  • Reply 16 of 27
    [quote]Originally posted by rok:

    <strong>just in case this thread gets read more, i thought it worthwhile to mention that even macfixit.com has been denied press passes based off, what i can only assume, their comments on rumors circa macworld san francisco (and, if i remember right, by their own admission, they weren't going to, until apple started to fan the flames with their week of teasers leading up to the big imac unveiling).



    ( </strong><hr></blockquote>



    So, macfixit has broken an Apple nda, I remember a specific case where I received an email from the Apple developer connection folks on a new seed of Mac OS X. Later on in the afternoon, I notice a note on Macfixit that that particular version of OS X was seeded to developers. I emailed Ted landau, and his response was other web sites post stuff like that, so he can too..



    He's just getting what he deserves.. I think even on Macintouch I've seen rumor comments, but Macintouch would be the premier news web site in my opinion..
  • Reply 17 of 27
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    [quote]Originally posted by Splinemodel:

    <strong>If you don't like Apple, don't buy macs.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Agreed. If you (Matsu) are so disgusted with the company, don't just sit there and whine. Fire warning shot across the bow and ditch Apple altogether. That will force Apple to change if people are so disgusted.
  • Reply 18 of 27
    ghost_user_nameghost_user_name Posts: 22,667member
    [quote]Originally posted by spotbug:

    <strong>This is gonna sound harsh, but keep in mind this is my opinion of what I think Apple thinks, not what I think. I believe Apple decided to crack-down on press passes. Somebody at Apple decided they were giving out too many of them. So they sort of made a list of people that were getting pass, but now weren't gonna.



    When it came time for reasons, well, they aren't under any obligation to give reasons. Plus, you aren't press anymore, so go away (Apple speaking, not me). If they don't consider you press, you aren't (from their point of view). That's how press passes are given - you get them if the giver says you're press. So, they said, just to say something "we don't like rumors." They could have said, "we don't like rumors or, possibly, you're too small to get all this free food and a nice seat when everybody else has to pay. You're free-loading off the press pass system here, buddy. Now you aren't."</strong><hr></blockquote>



    But it isn't just about rumors, guys. Sites that have posted less rumor-esque stories than MacCentral are getting on the blacklist. Sites that don't even post rumors on a regular basis. Sites that have a well read, large readerbase. It's not JUST rumors sites, you guys need to stop making it sound like that's all it is about, because it isn't.



    Furthermore, it has already been defined

    <a href="http://www.macworldexpo.com/macworldexpo/v31/index.cvn?ID=10246"; target="_blank">per this link</a> what makes you a worthy publication. By fulfilling the requirements on that page, you are considered, in the eyes of IDG Expo Management (the people who run the show and ultimately issue the creds), to be a commercial publication, and therefore eligible to receive a badge. Now that it has been unveiled that Apple had the upper hand (even though that is now being covered up), it shows IDG isn't calling the shots. So they need to update that page, or give a better explanation. I've spoken to a lot of friends who run worthwhile web publications, and all said they received an email saying their creds had been revoked, and that they were in violation of the requirements in the aforementioned link. Oddly enough, they were unable to find a single requirement they did not already meet.



    So it isn't JUST rumors sites (to the best of my knowledfge, they've been denied for years) , and there is already well defined criteria for gaining press access... yet people meeting that criteria are being denied. This is the issue.
  • Reply 19 of 27
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    Don't think of it as whining, think of it as a karma-electronic pressure release value. It was fun. See ya. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
  • Reply 20 of 27
    spotbugspotbug Posts: 361member
    [quote]Originally posted by M3D Jack:

    <strong>

    But it isn't just about rumors, guys. Sites that have posted less rumor-esque stories than MacCentral are getting on the blacklist.

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Did you even read my post which you quoted at the top of yours? That's exactly what I was getting at - it's not just about the rumors.



    [quote]<strong>

    Sites that don't even post rumors on a regular basis. Sites that have a well read, large readerbase.

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    This is the part that interests me. Can you find an example of a large (as in readerbase) site which never posted a rumor and which was banned? I'm really asking, here.



    [quote]<strong> It's not JUST rumors sites, you guys need to stop making it sound like that's all it is about, because it isn't.

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Yeah, I think we're passed that now.



    Here's what I think (as per my previous post): Apple (it's IDG, but... come on, it's really Apple) decided they were going to revoke a bunch of press passes. They figured they'd get rid of the "rumor" guys and anybody else they didn't consider to be legitimate press. Then, I guess, they felt they needed to tell people why their passes got yanked. So, rather than tell a bunch of free-loaders that they were putting a stop to the free-loading (or insert ANY OTHER REASONS Apple might want to yank a pass), they just made a blanket statement about not liking rumors.
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