Mystery 'eye in speech bubble' emoji in iOS 9.1 linked to anti-bullying campaign, fast-tracked by Ap

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  • Reply 21 of 53
    knowitallknowitall Posts: 1,648member
    Maybe time to stop talking about victims, because that's exactly what the aggressors want.
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  • Reply 22 of 53
    chadbagchadbag Posts: 2,032member
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    Originally Posted by kevinpeterson View Post



    Internet bullying is a huge deal, and I hope this helps in some way. The negative backlash from some of you is astounding. Absolutely sickening. Go away.



    Internet bullying may be a big deal.  But feel good responses like this don't actually do anything about it.  How does this symbol, seemingly now upgraded to emoji, going go stop or reduce or have any effect on internet bullying?

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  • Reply 23 of 53
    knowitallknowitall Posts: 1,648member
    apple ][ wrote: »
    I am against this emoji and I feel that Apple should provide a setting to disable it completely, just like somebody has the option to either enable or disable countless other features and services.

    I don't feel that politics and political correctness has any place sneaking itself in and being embedded into an OS, and such features should be kept out.

    I'm afraid that goes into the current trend at Apple: it's all about minority groups now.
    This should surprise no one.
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  • Reply 24 of 53
    entropysentropys Posts: 4,471member
    This is really really annoying. Back in the old days, young whippersnappers, when people saw someone being bullied, if they had the courage they did something about it. Now they tweet some stupid symbol and feel all noble because they "raised awareness". How did that work out for those Nigerian girls that were kidnapped by Boko Haram? #bringourgirlshome sure worked a treat, for at least while BK laughed, the perpetually smug "raised awareness".

    Biff Tanner would have laughed at this illuminati eye, then beat up whoever sent it to him. It needed George McFly to show his courage to change history.

    And has it ever occurred to the holier than though proponents of this thing that it would easily be used for cyber bullying too? Disagree with me and I and my friends will eye you.
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  • Reply 25 of 53
    razorpitrazorpit Posts: 1,796member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kevinpeterson View Post



    Internet bullying is a huge deal, and I hope this helps in some way. The negative backlash from some of you is astounding. Absolutely sickening. Go away.



    Here, let me help you...

     

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  • Reply 26 of 53
    chadbag wrote: »
    Internet bullying may be a big deal.  But feel good responses like this don't actually do anything about it.  How does this symbol, seemingly now upgraded to emoji, going go stop or reduce or have any effect on internet bullying?

    I don't know. I guess we'll see. People today communicate in an entirely different way then ever before. Has anything ever been solved by pointing at it and saying "that won't work. That's dumb."?
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  • Reply 27 of 53
    razorpit wrote: »

    What I like is that you're openly admitting to bullying. And when I say like I mean, you're clearly not aware of your own hilarity.
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  • Reply 28 of 53
    Here's the thing that all of you are apparently so old you don't actually remember what it's like to be a kid and bullied and cast aside, it doesn't work like it did in the old days. You can't just stand up and punch your aggressors, because most of the aggressors are cowardly internet trolls who attack online.

    And his really makes no sense because this is a fairly liberal and progressive board. I had to check to make sure I wasn't at "Mac rumors" but oh well.
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  • Reply 29 of 53
    razorpitrazorpit Posts: 1,796member
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    Originally Posted by kevinpeterson View Post





    What I like is that you're openly admitting to bullying. And when I say like I mean, you're clearly not aware of your own hilarity.



    Just send me one back and we'll see what happens.

     

    Look, no one is saying bullying isn't a problem.  The problem is we've (society in general) forgotten how to handle bullies.  You empower bullies by the way you handle the situation.  Send them a picture of an eye or whatever the hell that stupid thing is tells the bully yep, I have no courage or mental capacity to stand up for myself.

     

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     Here's the thing that all of you are apparently so old you don't actually remember what it's like to be a kid and bullied and cast aside, it doesn't work like it did in the old days. You can't just stand up and punch your aggressors, because most of the aggressors are cowardly internet trolls who attack online.


     

    Not to be a jerk but you need to read this book.  The logic in it still applies to this day.  You have to fight your own battles if you ever expect to have any respect.

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  • Reply 30 of 53
    razorpit wrote: »

    Just send me one back and we'll see what happens.

    Look, no one is saying bullying isn't a problem.  The problem is we've (society in general) forgotten how to handle bullies.  You empower bullies by the way you handle the situation.  Send them a picture of an eye or whatever the hell that stupid thing is tells the bully yep, I have no courage or mental capacity to stand up for myself.

    But what if it's not. What if it's something that someone sees and causes them to take a step back and look at their actions and go, oh wait, I'm in the wrong here. That's what we need. Not your dream world where problems are solved by psychological theories.

    Look, I recently had a middle school bully apologize to me after 15 years. Maybe if something like this existed back then? I dunno. We won't know. Maybe this will help, maybe it won't.
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  • Reply 31 of 53
    wigginwiggin Posts: 2,265member
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    Originally Posted by Slurpy View Post

    Oh, and please point us to the press release where Apple announced these emojis as a tent-pole feature. I'll be waiting. 


     

    Here you go: https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1845?locale=en_US

     

    "Adds over 150 new emoji characters with full Unicode 7.0 and 8.0 support"

     

    Pretty much every Apple OS/iOS update includes listed among the new features how many new emojis the update adds. So, yeah, Apple considers them tent-poles.

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  • Reply 32 of 53
    entropysentropys Posts: 4,471member
    Here's the thing that all of you are apparently so old you don't actually remember what it's like to be a kid and bullied and cast aside, it doesn't work like it did in the old days. You can't just stand up and punch your aggressors, because most of the aggressors are cowardly internet trolls who attack online.

    And his really makes no sense because this is a fairly liberal and progressive board. I had to check to make sure I wasn't at "Mac rumors" but oh well.
    Maybe I am an old fart, but primate behaviour doesn't change. This illuminati eye can be a tool for the gang to ostracise just as well as the Bifff Tanners of this world. And the worst bit is, emoting online doesn't require any courage. Too many people emote, then smugly move on with the herd to the next issue de jour. it's mob behaviour, there is no honour in it.

    Besides, how about this for a scenario: someone makes a post online disagreeing with, say a woman who is a strong advocate for whatever is the popular zeitgeist of the day, it even has its own hashtag. The getup crowd pile on with the all seeing eye because that person is picking on a guurl! Bullying, plain and simple, ironically using a tool against bullying. You just know it will happen.
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  • Reply 33 of 53
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kevinpeterson View Post



    And his really makes no sense because this is a fairly liberal and progressive board. 

     

    No it's not. There are Apple users of all types on this forum. Apple users come in all shapes and sizes and they are not some monolithic group that

    leans a certain way, thank goodness. Apple does sell millions upon millions of devices after all.

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  • Reply 34 of 53
    idreyidrey Posts: 647member
    I see "bullying" as two factors, 1 the weak mind of the aggressor
    And 2 the weak mind of the victim. I think this "bullying issue can be
    Solve at home by parents, just by interacting with their children more
    And showing love to their children, you know, show children that there
    Are people that care deeply for theme. Don't just tell them, show them.
    Also teach them that the world is unfair and is not easy, people can be
    And will be mean. Unfortunately, some kids are mistreated at home and this
    Causes them to treat others badly. If parent took better care of their children
    Teach them values and love, things could be much better and we would not
    Need unti bullying campaigns or emojis.
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  • Reply 35 of 53
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    mike1 wrote: »
    Oh, puhleaze. What's next, ribbons of every conceivable color?

    Ribbons and other "awareness campaigns" are just more capitalism and have little, if anything, to do with helping anyone.
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  • Reply 36 of 53
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    apple ][ wrote: »
    I am against this emoji and I feel that Apple should provide a setting to disable it completely, just like somebody has the option to either enable or disable countless other features and services.

    I don't feel that politics and political correctness has any place sneaking itself in and being embedded into an OS, and such features should be kept out.

    Aren't you usually one of the guys to be aggressively defending a company's "right to do whatever they want", or do you feel personally targeted by this campaign?
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  • Reply 37 of 53
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dysamoria View Post





    Aren't you usually one of the guys to be aggressively defending a company's "right to do whatever they want", or do you feel personally targeted by this campaign?



    Apple can of course do whatever they wish to do. But I do believe that I've always been saying that I wish that Apple were a little less political at times.

     

    As for this campaign, I'm not a bully really, but I have been known to bully a bully, that's more my style.

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  • Reply 38 of 53
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    Here's the thing that all of you are apparently so old you don't actually remember what it's like to be a kid and bullied and cast aside, it doesn't work like it did in the old days. You can't just stand up and punch your aggressors, because most of the aggressors are cowardly internet trolls who attack online.

    And his really makes no sense because this is a fairly liberal and progressive board. I had to check to make sure I wasn't at "Mac rumors" but oh well.

    First paragraph: correct, dead on. You can't just throw a punch at an online bully. Few people take it seriously and you have no recourse. It's really a very impotent situation to be in as a victim. That makes it sometimes a lot worse than in-person bullying.

    Second paragraph: the only groups affiliation majority I find on this board is the libertarian/Randian crowd, as is typical for tech people (and young people, but I find lots of tech geeks didn't grow out of their Ayn Rand fixations because their geek skills gave them opportunities to be in positions of influence, where they failed to develop humility and character).
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  • Reply 39 of 53
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    entropys wrote: »
    Maybe I am an old fart, but primate behaviour doesn't change. This illuminati eye can be a tool for the gang to ostracise just as well as the Bifff Tanners of this world. And the worst bit is, emoting online doesn't require any courage. Too many people emote, then smugly move on with the herd to the next issue de jour. it's mob behaviour, there is no honour in it.

    Besides, how about this for a scenario: someone makes a post online disagreeing with, say a woman who is a strong advocate for whatever is the popular zeitgeist of the day, it even has its own hashtag. The getup crowd pile on with the all seeing eye because that person is picking on a guurl! Bullying, plain and simple, ironically using a tool against bullying. You just know it will happen.

    Agreed. Mob mentality cannot be fought with reason, and this eye is creepy enough to be repurposed by the victimizers against the victims. When you're dealing with antisocial behavior, you are facing people that refuse to play by the rules. Setting up new rules/tools of engagement won't help without any authority to enforce it via consequences.

    Until actual law is codified that makes other types of assault into legally defined violence, people will continue to complain about "liberalism" and "touchy feely" wimpy "emo" political correctness, instead of backing down or supporting the position that, yes, psychological violence is violence.

    By the way, I'm pretty sure that throwing a punch is officially unacceptable as a solution and is called assault. I'm not saying it doesn't put off the occasional bullies, but those are probably just the ones capable of reason. The ones that aren't... Well, you need to go a lot further in the realm of consequences. As things are now, they're not only given full scope to victimize, they're even celebrated by the masses of defensively sarcastic bitter people to be found just about everywhere these days that would rather contribute to abuse as a way to avoid exposing themselves to any potential of being the next target.

    Confrontation isn't a solution either, because what's that accomplishing? Unless you win a majority of supporters to rally at your Internet side, you'll probably just find people writing encyclopedia dramatica articles or creating hate blogs about you as revenge for "acting out". It's what they want: a reaction. But you can't do nothing, right? This is why it's such a serious issue. Without legal compulsion, what is there for victims to do? Blowing it off is exactly the wrong thing, but these dumb awareness ribbons and icons don't do anything either.

    EDIT:
    Actually, as I misunderstood your post... Ganging up on the bully is the only thing available. The same way we use peer pressure to discourage blatant sexism, racism, and gender/sex discrimination, we should be ganging up against other antisocial behaviors, not worshipping troll LOLZ or celebrating biting sarcasm. The Internet is a very hostile place for women in particular, and that's just unacceptable.

    We should indeed gang up on and shame those who act with such intolerable antisocial behaviors.
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  • Reply 40 of 53
    entropysentropys Posts: 4,471member
    No, I am arguing that using an emoticon is more about conspicuous compassion and a way to display the moral worthiness of the emoter, than actually doing anything about a real bully.
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