Wow that's harsh! In other news, the LA Water & sewage Dept. mandated that some of their employees eat sht so that they could experience what some of their customers experience.
There is a difference between just not wanting something and not wanting something because you don't want to pay for it (i.e., it's overpriced or you can't afford to pay that price even if you do have that much money) It might be a generalization but Apple's core customers definitely fall under the first category. Android customers (like the majority of the world) fall under the 2nd category.
I know for a fact that thats a generalization.
When you buy a product you should consider the consequences.
Buying a Mac from MacD ruins the environment and forces lots of people to have multiple jobs.
Buying from MS prolongs the desktop dominance they have.
Buying from Apple makes people in Asia wealthier and as a consequences reduces all 'ivory' animals in Africa and Asia to zero.
Lots of considerations, lots of reasons not wanting to buy something.
Not at all, I stated only facts.
The component and production price is known of the iPhone and the AWatch.
The retail price is also known.
fact - fact = fact (and sometimes a ripoff)
The term "overpriced" is subjective. If Apple can sell t those prices they are orderly priced.
Why is it laughable to want to try to give all of your users the same, quality experience no matter the platform?
They should. What's laughable (to me) is them trying to design on what is essentially a shitty OS and "try" making it run as smoothly and with the benefits that iOS offers. Good luck. They're going to need it.
That being said, FB really needs to fix their iOS battery-draining version.
This is really a non-care issue for me. At least from my perspective, and not without guilt from my friends, Facebook has become little more than a collection of content shared from other sources. Original content from individual users has taken a back seat. Typically, I see page after page of re-shared content and advertisements before I see the first original post. Posts appear haphazardly rather than having any real pattern. I can't really complain - it is a free service after all. Thankfully, nobody is forcing me to use it. More than ever, Facebook seems to be following in the footsteps of a virtually dead service called MySpace. Remember that? It's possible that Facebook's days may be numbered - they've gotten too big for their britches.
When you buy a product you should consider the consequences.
Buying a Mac from MacD ruins the environment and forces lots of people to have multiple jobs.
Buying from MS prolongs the desktop dominance they have.
Buying from Apple makes people in Asia wealthier and as a consequences reduces all 'ivory' animals in Africa and Asia to zero.
Lots of considerations, lots of reasons not wanting to buy something.
Your cause and effect arguments are quite data free. Except the second one.
The sad part here though Android makers are going to profit ( and likely boast increased sales cause their products are the best ever lol ) Can't help but wonder if HTC, Samsung etc put this idea into the Facebook CEO's head lol
In a market where millions per month is the norm, I don't think the short term impact is that great.
Long term, we have to recognize that apps will become relatively equal, except where platforms differentiate. if iOS/iP* stays 2-3 years ahead in true integrative experience (not just 'having' something [like browser integration]... but having something that is fully immersive in the user experience [like fully safari integration securely integrated inside of your app]), the apple/others profit differential will remain
But the stupidity of this is that if they aren't requiring them to use ultracheap underpowered devices running outdated versions of the OS they will learn little as that is the overwhelming majority of android devices.
This is really a non-care issue for me. At least from my perspective, and not without guilt from my friends, Facebook has become little more than a collection of content shared from other sources. Original content from individual users has taken a back seat. Typically, I see page after page of re-shared content and advertisements before I see the first original post. Posts appear haphazardly rather than having any real pattern. I can't really complain - it is a free service after all. Thankfully, nobody is forcing me to use it. More than ever, Facebook seems to be following in the footsteps of a virtually dead service called MySpace. Remember that? It's possible that Facebook's days may be numbered - they've gotten too big for their britches.
Facebook's days are about as numbered as the internet's. In other words, I cannot see a clear difference between the Facebook you describe and the internet as a whole. After all, isn't hyperlinking by people on a social network what we're talking about?
Yeh. No need for the average employee to be burdened with a crap phone for that though
Facebook doesn't care about average employees... it cares about above average profits, and if some consumers of facebook have a crappy experience and don't use facebook as much [turn pages, and therefore generate revenue through ads or marketing information], then facebook needs to address the problem with average employees feeling the pain ("dogfooding")
1.4 billion active users (this is all Android devices) making up 82.8% would mean Apple's active userbase for all iPhones and tablets is about 290 million. This is highly unlikely considering Apple crossed 1 billion units sold total in January. There may be Android devices that Google doesn't track in Asia but they must be counting some to hit 1.4 billion.
We've had previous discussions here that finally determined what devices Google counts in its Android numbers. Pretty sure it was only Google Android devices, or put differently those that include Google services and thus get activated via a Google user ID when first set up by the new buyer. That rules out most Android phones sold in China for instance. They even noted that that used but resold/reset Google Android phones don't get counted.
I didn't realize you still thought it was a mystery how the numbers they announce are arrived at.
Remember their internal "Droidfood" campaign from November of three years ago? I guess they must've decided that at the three-year mark they were going to have to take stronger action to move their employees in the right direction.
Facebook doesn't care about average employees... it cares about above average profits, and if some consumers of facebook have a crappy experience and don't use facebook as much [turn pages, and therefore generate revenue through ads or marketing information], then facebook needs to address the problem with average employees feeling the pain ("dogfooding")
Once again. There is no need to do this with people's corporate (and possibly only) phone. Everything you have said about testing and dog food is trivially true but it doesn't mean that you penalise some employees (but not all) with a non-functional or barely functional work device if that is in fact their main work or work/home device. Or overburden the IT dept with unserviceable and non-upgradable devices, a clear security risk.
Give the product team a second crap android phone for FB, tell them to login to Facebook on that device as much as possible. Keep it off the corporate network.
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I know for a fact that thats a generalization.
When you buy a product you should consider the consequences.
Buying a Mac from MacD ruins the environment and forces lots of people to have multiple jobs.
Buying from MS prolongs the desktop dominance they have.
Buying from Apple makes people in Asia wealthier and as a consequences reduces all 'ivory' animals in Africa and Asia to zero.
Lots of considerations, lots of reasons not wanting to buy something.
The term "overpriced" is subjective. If Apple can sell t those prices they are orderly priced.
Just because the mass majority prefer crap does not mean you should go in that direction.
Why is it laughable to want to try to give all of your users the same, quality experience no matter the platform?
They should. What's laughable (to me) is them trying to design on what is essentially a shitty OS and "try" making it run as smoothly and with the benefits that iOS offers. Good luck. They're going to need it.
That being said, FB really needs to fix their iOS battery-draining version.
This is really a non-care issue for me. At least from my perspective, and not without guilt from my friends, Facebook has become little more than a collection of content shared from other sources. Original content from individual users has taken a back seat. Typically, I see page after page of re-shared content and advertisements before I see the first original post. Posts appear haphazardly rather than having any real pattern. I can't really complain - it is a free service after all. Thankfully, nobody is forcing me to use it. More than ever, Facebook seems to be following in the footsteps of a virtually dead service called MySpace. Remember that? It's possible that Facebook's days may be numbered - they've gotten too big for their britches.
Your cause and effect arguments are quite data free. Except the second one.
I know for a fact that thats a generalization.
When you buy a product you should consider the consequences.
Buying a Mac from MacD ruins the environment and forces lots of people to have multiple jobs.
Buying from MS prolongs the desktop dominance they have.
Buying from Apple makes people in Asia wealthier and as a consequences reduces all 'ivory' animals in Africa and Asia to zero.
Lots of considerations, lots of reasons not wanting to buy something.
At least one of us is spouting off facts. Thanks for calling me out on it. BTW, IBM (and everyone else) would disagree with some of your "facts"
http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/10/27/ibm-saving-270-per-mac-in-support-costs-says-apples-tim-cook
The sad part here though Android makers are going to profit ( and likely boast increased sales cause their products are the best ever lol ) Can't help but wonder if HTC, Samsung etc put this idea into the Facebook CEO's head lol
In a market where millions per month is the norm, I don't think the short term impact is that great.
Long term, we have to recognize that apps will become relatively equal, except where platforms differentiate. if iOS/iP* stays 2-3 years ahead in true integrative experience (not just 'having' something [like browser integration]... but having something that is fully immersive in the user experience [like fully safari integration securely integrated inside of your app]), the apple/others profit differential will remain
This is really a non-care issue for me. At least from my perspective, and not without guilt from my friends, Facebook has become little more than a collection of content shared from other sources. Original content from individual users has taken a back seat. Typically, I see page after page of re-shared content and advertisements before I see the first original post. Posts appear haphazardly rather than having any real pattern. I can't really complain - it is a free service after all. Thankfully, nobody is forcing me to use it. More than ever, Facebook seems to be following in the footsteps of a virtually dead service called MySpace. Remember that? It's possible that Facebook's days may be numbered - they've gotten too big for their britches.
Facebook's days are about as numbered as the internet's. In other words, I cannot see a clear difference between the Facebook you describe and the internet as a whole. After all, isn't hyperlinking by people on a social network what we're talking about?
Why don't you guys make a Facebook phone and force your employees to get it. Oh wait.
Yeh. No need for the average employee to be burdened with a crap phone for that though
Facebook doesn't care about average employees... it cares about above average profits, and if some consumers of facebook have a crappy experience and don't use facebook as much [turn pages, and therefore generate revenue through ads or marketing information], then facebook needs to address the problem with average employees feeling the pain ("dogfooding")
I didn't realize you still thought it was a mystery how the numbers they announce are arrived at.
Remember their internal "Droidfood" campaign from November of three years ago? I guess they must've decided that at the three-year mark they were going to have to take stronger action to move their employees in the right direction.
That rules out most Android phones sold in China for instance.
That shouldn't matter. Facebook and Google are blocked in China.
Ha, that's a misconception.
Economic thinking, without morality, another reason not to buy from a company.
Doesn't matter for what? That's not what Marvin was referring to AFAIK, so yes it matters.
It shouldn't matter to Facebook which phones the Chinese are using.
Once again. There is no need to do this with people's corporate (and possibly only) phone. Everything you have said about testing and dog food is trivially true but it doesn't mean that you penalise some employees (but not all) with a non-functional or barely functional work device if that is in fact their main work or work/home device. Or overburden the IT dept with unserviceable and non-upgradable devices, a clear security risk.
Give the product team a second crap android phone for FB, tell them to login to Facebook on that device as much as possible. Keep it off the corporate network.
Sure. That works, and may be what he means.