i am looking at my Ipad right now an only see 2 ESPN channels which I can view live on my IPAD on the work network, At home I have more ESPN channels so there are limits to way can be watch away from home. I give you the list ever year has been growning Directv has been allowing more and more content to be streamed away from home.
That's odd. I'm showing 4 on my phone. I have ESPN, ESPN News, ESPNU, and ESPN2.
EDIT: Just was browsing all the channels. Directv pretty much has everything for live streaming away from home except regional sports networks. It looks like it's almost at 140 channels for live streaming anywhere. That's on the iPhone App. Maybe it's different on tablets.
That's ridiculous. Just because Apple has a large user base doesn't mean they'll subscribe to a TV service. You can say that DirecTV has a potential user base of 300 million because their footprint covers the entire US.
A specious argument if there ever was one. Logically then, all providers are equal, because they all have a potential 300M subscriber base. But that tells you nothing.
SOG is correct. When Apple has 50M devices deployed, they will have a very attractive outlet for third party services. Why would you buy an AppleTV if you didn't want to watch TV? Oh, I suppose games, but I think Big Gamers with no interest in watching TV go the XBOX/Playstation/Nintendo route.
That's ridiculous. Just because Apple has a large user base doesn't mean they'll subscribe to a TV service. You can say that DirecTV has a potential user base of 300 million because their footprint covers the entire US.
A specious argument if there ever was one. Logically then, all providers are equal, because they all have a potential 300M subscriber base. But that tells you nothing.
SOG is correct. When Apple has 50M devices deployed, they will have a very attractive outlet for third party services. Why would you buy an AppleTV if you didn't want to watch TV? Oh, I suppose games, but I think Big Gamers with no interest in watching TV go the XBOX/Playstation/Nintendo route.
Any TV deal is going to be US only. That 50 million number drops considerably. And no there's not a single cable company that covers the entire US
You can already stream ESPN with DirecTV. I just looked at the DirecTV app and all the ESPN channels are there for live streaming. I agree with your assessment of a la carte programming. That's what chord cutters want. Once you start paying for all these specific channels, cost will probably be higher than cable/satellite.
Wow so basically the only channels you can't stream on an iPad are CBS, NBC, ABC and FOX. In that case I would have zero reason to cut the cord. I know two channels I watch frequently - Golf Channen and Tennis Channel would probably not be part of a skinny package. And I'll bet dedicated sports channels from NBC, CBS and FOX as well as regional sports networks won't be either.
EDIT: Just was browsing all the channels. Directv pretty much has everything for live streaming away from home except regional sports networks. It looks like it's almost at 140 channels for live streaming anywhere. That's on the iPhone App. Maybe it's different on tablets.
Looks like local networks are excluded too. I don't get it. If I can watch Bravo while I'm on a treadmill at the gym why not CBS? What's so special about those 4 networks.
Looks like local networks are excluded too. I don't get it. If I can watch Bravo while I'm on a treadmill at the gym why not CBS? What's so special about those 4 networks.
Just ask them. :-)
CBS actually has a ATV4 app. It requires a for pay subscription of like $6/mo...and doesn't include any CBS sports.
I think cord cutting entails employment of OTA for local channels and these networks. I live in an urban area, and easily get those 4 in full HD with a OTA antenna.
Wow so basically the only channels you can't stream on an iPad are CBS, NBC, ABC and FOX. In that case I would have zero reason to cut the cord. I know two channels I watch frequently - Golf Channen and Tennis Channel would probably not be part of a skinny package. And I'll bet dedicated sports channels from NBC, CBS and FOX as well as regional sports networks won't be either.
I watch a lot of the Premier League and no way would NBCSN be available in a skinny package. NBC is paying over a billion for those rights so I doubt they would let the cable/satellite companies offer it in some cheap package.
Looks like local networks are excluded too. I don't get it. If I can watch Bravo while I'm on a treadmill at the gym why not CBS? What's so special about those 4 networks.
I don't get why DirecTV isn't allowed to stream free OTA networks. It doesn't make sense to me. The 4 ESPN networks I mentioned was just to reply to another post.
Looks like local networks are excluded too. I don't get it. If I can watch Bravo while I'm on a treadmill at the gym why not CBS? What's so special about those 4 networks.
I don't get why DirecTV isn't allowed to stream free OTA networks. It doesn't make sense to me. The 4 ESPN networks I mentioned was just to reply to another post.
The OTA networks have affiliates in every market that get money from local advertising. If it were on feed nationally it wouldn't be a problem but it's not. You and I might see the same show but will see totally different commercials.
The OTA networks have affiliates in every market that get money from local advertising. If it were on feed nationally it wouldn't be a problem but it's not. You and I might see the same show but will see totally different commercials.
Ah, so commercials on cable channels are consistent across the country but the big networks have commercials specific to the local market (like political ads during election season). Still annoying,
Ah, so commercials on cable channels are consistent across the country but the big networks have commercials specific to the local market (like political ads during election season). Still annoying,
I thought commercials were really annoying at times too. Then I found that NOT having commercials could be even worse. Anyone else tired of hearing the same tune over and over and over on ESPN playing on Sling? Give me a damn commercial!
Ah, so commercials on cable channels are consistent across the country but the big networks have commercials specific to the local market (like political ads during election season). Still annoying,
I thought commercials were really annoying at times too. Then I found that NOT having commercials could be even worse. Anyone else tired of hearing the same tune over and over and over on ESPN playing on Sling? Give me a damn commercial!
What's weird is that sometimes the commercials play and then on others you get the 'commercial break' screen.
In the end the cost out of your pocket will be about the same, the only difference is you will pay for what you want not everything else as well. You may have more choices, at about the same cost but paying the bill to 3 to 5 difference companies. The only people I know saving money are those who have a limited viewing habits. If you have a diverse viewing interestes it is hard to move away from Cable or Satellite. In a house where I have 4 people with very different viewing interests and we not a big sports house. We watch a few sports from time to time but not worth paying for dedicated sports channels. I have been unable to fully replace what I have without it costing more to meet everyone's needs.
The biggest cord cutters are younger generations who only have to satisfy themselves. The funny part, when I was in my 20's and very active I did not subscribe to cable, I did over the air and rentend VHS movies at the corner store. Even when I had kids still did the same until my kids got in school and they came home asking who sponge bob was and why couldn't they watch sponge bob verse Mister Rogers or Big Bird. At that point I got satellite and had it ever since.
I'll give a good example, I have PLEX which runs on my NAS and it serves up all my Video content to all my devices in my house. They recently add streaming channels like TBS. I added it to my list of services since I like TBS shows. I saw they had Mr Robot on it and I missed watching the show from the beginning, so I subsribe to the series. But the series was not complete and the shows all had Spanish sub-titles. So Plex can stream cable channel content as long as you're willing to accept it with Spanish sub-titles. This is why it is all screwed up. Even Apple offering has some live and some ondemand but itis not all complete.
This is the problem which has not been solved as of yet because the content owners do not want to loose what they have which is control over who can watch and when and how much they can make off it. Disney is the master of this with the classic hits, they only relase them every so many years in movie threaters, limited release on VHS and now DVD and has not put any of them on digital format.
Tons of Disney classics on on digital formats. I own most of them. While Disney still only release 1 to 2 movies from the vault every few years, in a rotation, they can all be bought digitally when they are "our of the vault". Aladdin was just released from the vault in Oct as can be purchased on iTunes and other digital stores until it goes back into the vault.
Tons of Disney classics on on digital formats. I own most of them. While Disney still only release 1 to 2 movies from the vault every few years, in a rotation, they can all be bought digitally when they are "our of the vault". Aladdin was just released from the vault in Oct as can be purchased on iTunes and other digital stores until it goes back into the vault.
Not talk those, Disney for some reason does not value those as much as snow white, bambi and the other, those only come out ever once and a while and I think snow white just came out on Blueray and if I not mistaken it did not have the digital version. There are others older one which are now on blue-ray as well and do not contain a digital copy. Also these seem to sell for more than the new movies. I originally bought them all on VHS and then turned around and bought them on DVD when they came out again. Not going to buy on blue-ray.
If AppleTV has a user base larger than the cable companies the content providers will have to give in to their demands.
Again you are thinking with the mind set of the current situation. If Apple has 50 million AppleTV users they can change the entire industry.
And Comcast can't block Apple to content if the other broadcasters agree to terms (ABC, CBS, FOX). That was part of deal with buying a cable company.
Apple with 50M will not be enough. I not looking backward I am looking ahead. The majority the business Comcast and TWC both have are not target customers for Apple. 70% of Comcast customer are basic cable subscriber they pay $20 a month for video and may or may not have high speed internet. The high end customer who Apple is looking for these are the people who spend money are DTV, VZ customers and VZ is already doing ala cart on a limited bases to test the water. If you add up Comcast, TWC, AT&T/DTV and VZ they cover most of the US largest population areas and have 100's of millions of subscribers who pay Billions to content owners.
What will justify content owners willing to accept less income to do business with Apple and ATV. This is not like the Music industry which was loosing money to people copying and sharing content and Apple provided them a means to begin making money again and stop the stealing.
You have to follow the money here, unless Apple can show content owners they will make more with ATV or reduce their costs to produce content they have no interest in seeing the status quo changing. Just look at NetFlix, they can not stream all content, they had to increase prices to keep content both in DVD and Streaming formats, they also have to finance their own content to try and attract users.
The problem is you are over simplify the current and future situation, and more things are being done today to ensure content does not go into the open networks but to stay in the closed networks which require a subscription to MSO. Even Apple when they signed up some of the networks could not get live content or all of the content.
The content owners control it all here, it just happens Comcast is a content owner and makes more profits from content than the distribution of content. They are not going to give up the profits to help Apple. It is easy for you to say just watch or it will be different, but you offer nothing of what will be different other to say if Apple had 50M user content owner will have to cave.
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i am looking at my Ipad right now an only see 2 ESPN channels which I can view live on my IPAD on the work network, At home I have more ESPN channels so there are limits to way can be watch away from home. I give you the list ever year has been growning Directv has been allowing more and more content to be streamed away from home.
That's odd. I'm showing 4 on my phone. I have ESPN, ESPN News, ESPNU, and ESPN2.
EDIT: Just was browsing all the channels. Directv pretty much has everything for live streaming away from home except regional sports networks. It looks like it's almost at 140 channels for live streaming anywhere. That's on the iPhone App. Maybe it's different on tablets.
That's ridiculous. Just because Apple has a large user base doesn't mean they'll subscribe to a TV service. You can say that DirecTV has a potential user base of 300 million because their footprint covers the entire US.
A specious argument if there ever was one. Logically then, all providers are equal, because they all have a potential 300M subscriber base. But that tells you nothing.
SOG is correct. When Apple has 50M devices deployed, they will have a very attractive outlet for third party services. Why would you buy an AppleTV if you didn't want to watch TV? Oh, I suppose games, but I think Big Gamers with no interest in watching TV go the XBOX/Playstation/Nintendo route.
Any TV deal is going to be US only. That 50 million number drops considerably. And no there's not a single cable company that covers the entire US
Wow so basically the only channels you can't stream on an iPad are CBS, NBC, ABC and FOX. In that case I would have zero reason to cut the cord. I know two channels I watch frequently - Golf Channen and Tennis Channel would probably not be part of a skinny package. And I'll bet dedicated sports channels from NBC, CBS and FOX as well as regional sports networks won't be either.
Looks like local networks are excluded too. I don't get it. If I can watch Bravo while I'm on a treadmill at the gym why not CBS? What's so special about those 4 networks.
Perhaps but they haven't. Can't use what you don't have as leverage.
Looks like local networks are excluded too. I don't get it. If I can watch Bravo while I'm on a treadmill at the gym why not CBS? What's so special about those 4 networks.
Just ask them. :-)
CBS actually has a ATV4 app. It requires a for pay subscription of like $6/mo...and doesn't include any CBS sports.
I think cord cutting entails employment of OTA for local channels and these networks. I live in an urban area, and easily get those 4 in full HD with a OTA antenna.
Wow so basically the only channels you can't stream on an iPad are CBS, NBC, ABC and FOX. In that case I would have zero reason to cut the cord. I know two channels I watch frequently - Golf Channen and Tennis Channel would probably not be part of a skinny package. And I'll bet dedicated sports channels from NBC, CBS and FOX as well as regional sports networks won't be either.
I watch a lot of the Premier League and no way would NBCSN be available in a skinny package. NBC is paying over a billion for those rights so I doubt they would let the cable/satellite companies offer it in some cheap package.
Looks like local networks are excluded too. I don't get it. If I can watch Bravo while I'm on a treadmill at the gym why not CBS? What's so special about those 4 networks.
I don't get why DirecTV isn't allowed to stream free OTA networks. It doesn't make sense to me. The 4 ESPN networks I mentioned was just to reply to another post.
The OTA networks have affiliates in every market that get money from local advertising. If it were on feed nationally it wouldn't be a problem but it's not. You and I might see the same show but will see totally different commercials.
Ah, so commercials on cable channels are consistent across the country but the big networks have commercials specific to the local market (like political ads during election season). Still annoying,
What's weird is that sometimes the commercials play and then on others you get the 'commercial break' screen.
Tons of Disney classics on on digital formats. I own most of them. While Disney still only release 1 to 2 movies from the vault every few years, in a rotation, they can all be bought digitally when they are "our of the vault". Aladdin was just released from the vault in Oct as can be purchased on iTunes and other digital stores until it goes back into the vault.
Tons of Disney classics on on digital formats. I own most of them. While Disney still only release 1 to 2 movies from the vault every few years, in a rotation, they can all be bought digitally when they are "our of the vault". Aladdin was just released from the vault in Oct as can be purchased on iTunes and other digital stores until it goes back into the vault.
Not talk those, Disney for some reason does not value those as much as snow white, bambi and the other, those only come out ever once and a while and I think snow white just came out on Blueray and if I not mistaken it did not have the digital version. There are others older one which are now on blue-ray as well and do not contain a digital copy. Also these seem to sell for more than the new movies. I originally bought them all on VHS and then turned around and bought them on DVD when they came out again. Not going to buy on blue-ray.
How many subscribers does Comcast have?
How many does DirectTV have?
How many does Time Warner have?
If AppleTV has a user base larger than the cable companies the content providers will have to give in to their demands.
Again you are thinking with the mind set of the current situation. If Apple has 50 million AppleTV users they can change the entire industry.
And Comcast can't block Apple to content if the other broadcasters agree to terms (ABC, CBS, FOX). That was part of deal with buying a cable company.
Apple with 50M will not be enough. I not looking backward I am looking ahead. The majority the business Comcast and TWC both have are not target customers for Apple. 70% of Comcast customer are basic cable subscriber they pay $20 a month for video and may or may not have high speed internet. The high end customer who Apple is looking for these are the people who spend money are DTV, VZ customers and VZ is already doing ala cart on a limited bases to test the water. If you add up Comcast, TWC, AT&T/DTV and VZ they cover most of the US largest population areas and have 100's of millions of subscribers who pay Billions to content owners.
What will justify content owners willing to accept less income to do business with Apple and ATV. This is not like the Music industry which was loosing money to people copying and sharing content and Apple provided them a means to begin making money again and stop the stealing.
You have to follow the money here, unless Apple can show content owners they will make more with ATV or reduce their costs to produce content they have no interest in seeing the status quo changing. Just look at NetFlix, they can not stream all content, they had to increase prices to keep content both in DVD and Streaming formats, they also have to finance their own content to try and attract users.
The problem is you are over simplify the current and future situation, and more things are being done today to ensure content does not go into the open networks but to stay in the closed networks which require a subscription to MSO. Even Apple when they signed up some of the networks could not get live content or all of the content.
The content owners control it all here, it just happens Comcast is a content owner and makes more profits from content than the distribution of content. They are not going to give up the profits to help Apple. It is easy for you to say just watch or it will be different, but you offer nothing of what will be different other to say if Apple had 50M user content owner will have to cave.