Rumor claims Apple ordering Synaptics LCD parts amid delays in ditching iPhone's home button

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  • Reply 21 of 37
    clemynxclemynx Posts: 1,552member
    The examples given here look very impractical to. Asking people to memorize gestures, even if they are the same as we currently use, to be performed without a visual clue of where to press isn't offering a good experience. I so much wish that they did a phone the size of a 5S (for me THE perfect size) with a slightly larger screen. I can only imagine an iPhone without a home button if there is still somehow a clue showing that pressing will do something. Maybe a home button engraved in the glass.
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  • Reply 22 of 37
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    My Twitter feed is full of techies who think the next 5.5" phone is going to be much better than the 4.7" phone - better display, better internal specs, better camera etc. I hope that's not the case. I don't think iPhones need to be treated like Macs. Sure give the device more RAM if it needs it to run smoothly. And of course a bigger screen will have a bigger battery. But don't create artificial differentiation just to upsell people.
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  • Reply 23 of 37
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 4,057member
    Why in the world would anyone want "zero bezel"?
    or foldable phone. These are pure gimmicks and serve no benefit besides cosmetics.
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  • Reply 24 of 37
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 4,057member
    rogifan wrote: »
    My Twitter feed is full of techies who think the next 5.5" phone is going to be much better than the 4.7" phone - better display, better internal specs, better camera etc. I hope that's not the case. I don't think iPhones need to be treated like Macs. Sure give the device more RAM if it needs it to run smoothly. And of course a bigger screen will have a bigger battery. But don't create artificial differentiation just to upsell people.
    more RAM makes sense since it needs to drive that high resolution screen. Other than that. They shouldn't be different.
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  • Reply 25 of 37
    idreyidrey Posts: 647member
    Interesting! This actually falls in line with the rumored
    smaller iPhone rumored to be coming next year. ????
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  • Reply 26 of 37
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,943moderator
    sog35 wrote: »
    iPhone roadmap


    2016/2017 - near zero bezel phone
    2018/2019 - zero bezel phone
    2020/2021 - foldable phone

    Apple goes private.

    2022/2023 - foldable phone - thinner, smaller bezel

    Fixed that for you.
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  • Reply 27 of 37
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,943moderator
    Why in the world would anyone want "zero bezel"?

    For the obvious reason; to fit more information without increasing the handset size.

    In answer to your next question, for zero side bezels it would be simple to implement a bezel in software, to display information all the way to the edge of the display, but ignore touches at the edge. The width of the 'virtual' bezel could easily be configurable so that a user could adjust it if needed to avoid palm and finger wrap-around from being registered by the interface.
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  • Reply 28 of 37
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post



    Some rumors are called "rumors"

    Other rumors are called "reports"



    How does AI decide?



    Ming Chi - Reports.

    Digitimes - Rumours.

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  • Reply 29 of 37
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RadarTheKat View Post





    For the obvious reason; to fit more information without increasing the handset size.



    In answer to your next question, for zero side bezels it would be simple to implement a bezel in software, to display information all the way to the edge of the display, but ignore touches at the edge. The width of the 'virtual' bezel could easily be configurable so that a user could adjust it if needed to avoid palm and finger wrap-around from being registered by the interface.

     

    How would that effect screen durability, probably not good I suppose? There are other considerations that exists also.

    If your going to produce a artificial bezel in most instances you have it in your hands, maybe the real thing is better.,..

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  • Reply 30 of 37
    badmonkbadmonk Posts: 1,358member
    mstone wrote: »
    Looks like smartphones are approaching a technological plateau. At this point they have reached a level where we really don't need a new one unless the one we have breaks down. Until the next major breakthrough, something like teleportation or mental telepathy /joking/, they are going to be like the the history of the automobile industry - only minor incremental improvements for decades waiting for flying cars. The form and function of smartphones are pretty much defined at this point.

    Are you a Wall Street analyst?
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  • Reply 31 of 37
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    Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

     

     

    The purpose of zero bezel is to be able to have a big screen phone that is pockeable and easier to use.

     

    A zero bezel 4.7 inch screen phone would be smaller than the 5s.

    A zero bezel 5.5 inch screen phone would be almost as small as the 6s.


     

    I understand the implications, but it's not a big jump. It's incremental. Samsung already eliminated the bezel along one edge. Going to all four edges is incremental.

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  • Reply 32 of 37
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    Hell no.  Eliminating the top and bottom bezel is not incremental.  It would be incredible hard to do AND preserve the top rate UI.  Anyone can build a phone without bezel, but to successfully replace the home button is hard.

     

    You would also have to hide the front camera, light detector, and front mic in the screen or somewhere else.  Those are not easy.

     

    But a bezeless phone that has just as go UI as the current iPhones would be an amazing jump up.

    It would allow the best of both worlds:  the screen size of a phablet but the useablility/pocketablilty of a 5s


     

    That makes sense. I suppose it's a big technological jump, but the user experience improves incrementally. If it exposes the phone to more damage, then it's actually worse. Another thing is that the bezel makes protective cases possible. Without a bezel, you couldn't secure the phone into a case without relying on lateral chassis pressure and screen covers.

     

    Replacing the home button is easy. See my first post in this thread. Some will hang onto the exact same user experience as the current home button, but you cannot retain that and eliminate the button at the same time. The user experience has to change.

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  • Reply 33 of 37
    evilutionevilution Posts: 1,399member

    Rumor by Digi-Lies. So it must be true.

     

    If anyone can make a decent phone without a physical home button, it's Apple.

    When they are happy, they'll release it and not a day sooner.

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  • Reply 34 of 37
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BadMonk View Post





    Are you a Wall Street analyst?



    No, just someone who owns an iPhone 6 and has little interest in upgrading even though I can easily afford to. I am imagining those with less disposable income having even less motivation to upgrade. The 6 does everything I need and more.

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  • Reply 35 of 37
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Evilution View Post

     

    Rumor by Digi-Lies. So it must be true.

     

    If anyone can make a decent phone without a physical home button, it's Apple.


     

    Yeah, and it will be groundbreaking, right?

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  • Reply 36 of 37
    evilution wrote: »
    Rumor by Digi-Lies. So it must be true.

    If anyone can make a decent phone without a physical home button, it's Apple.
    When they are happy, they'll release it and not a day sooner.

    It won't happen for the simple reason that orientation is still important for phone function. There are electronics (speakers and microphones) that are immobile inside the iPhone. Hold the phone up to your ear the wrong way and you've got a problem.
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