I do know that there is a fossil fuel lobby, an OPEC lobby, a bunch of Middle Eastern oil producer lobbies, the Business Roundtable lobby, a Canadian tar sands lobby, etc. but TBH, I've no clue who the climate change lobby is.
In any case, I think Mr. Cook should be replaced. His use of the CEO position of Apple to pursue social changes seems to me not what a CEO should be doing. We have political processes for that. Of course it is up to the shareholders to deal with the issue of what the CEO should be up to. He's fortunate Apple is riding an in time with the iPhone. If that were to change I doubt he'd be in quite the same position to be circumventing the political process.
Cook is doing exactly as he should as CEO. Global warming affects Apple as it will stagnate Apple's long term success if people's priorities are to deal with its effects down the road. He sees what the economic environment of the future is going to be and looking to take advantage.
Rumor is that Apple is developing an electric car. Could be fuel cell powered or lithium battery powered, but electric motor. What are the odds that Cook will arrange for a carbon-neutral charging of an Apple car's battery, be it solar, wind, hydro generated H2 or electricity for the batteries? You don't think people will pay a premium for that in the 2020s?
Apple is selling a fitness wearable. There will be billions upon billions of people living on an increasing crowded planet who will be tracking health, who want to have instant communication.
If there are CEOs who have should be vilified, it's the CEOs of the Exxons and Chevrons of the world. They know which way the wind is blowing, and instead of charging headlong into alternative energy sources, they've doubled down, and their companies will be at the precipice of a cliff as the world moves away from fossil fuel based energy sources.
As far as I can tell, and I am no expert, is the only way to generate enough power for our society is nuclear, hydro, natural gas, oil, coal. They all have issues. Hydro usually involves destroying a lot the natural geography for dam construction, nuclear has a storage problem, carbon based fuels emit CO2 and apparently we don't have enough trees or processes to balance that.
It's going to be all the above. If we are to maintain the status quo of advancing human population to 10 billion, then 20 billion, it is all of the above. People are so tribal about one thing winning as if this a sporting event. It's going to be all of the above: nuclear, solar, wind, natural gas, tidal, wave, and whatever people come up with. Noticed I left coal and oil off the list. Those energy company CEOs in fact do know that it is going away eventually, they better be preparing their companies for the time when the means by which their companies make money will go away.
At least Bill Gates is pushing for breeder reactors.
People love to hate on Gates but I think he has done more good than bad in his time one the planet.
Gates is part of the class who wants to kick the trapdoor closed and keep others from climbing the ladder of success. It's why he pushes so hard for H1B visas; so Microsoft can do what Disney is doing right now; firing their American workers and importing cheap foreign labor. It's a cross party issue as well.
Apple has the ability to deliver the single greatest solution to the havoc caused by too much CO2.
CO2 is the crisis but it first and foremost impacts the oceans. Luckily the oceans are also where CO2 can be best dealt with.
A billion dollars is about to be spent at the Paris COP21 for an 11 day extravaganza of orchestrated demands upon the world to commit hundreds of billions, even trillions of dollars each year to climate change. If instead that single billion dollars were put into a trust account to restore ocean fish pastures those ocean pastures would be revived and returned to their natural condition of health and abundance not seen for more than a century for the remainder of this century! The cost to restore ocean pastures is mere millions per year, neither hundreds of billions nor trillions!
As our revived ocean fish pastures grow their plankton 'grass' that growth will convert billions of tonnes of CO2 every year into ocean life. In the bargain each and every year billions of additional fish, salmon, cod, tuna, mackerel and more will swim into the nets and onto the plates of people around the world in desperate need of nourishing low cost food.
As for the cabal of climate change about to spend a billion dollars of expense money in Paris for a week long party I say let them eat cake... here's my recipe to heal and feed the planet http://russgeorge.net
Gates is part of the class who wants to kick the trapdoor closed and keep others from climbing the ladder of success. It's why he pushes so hard for H1B visas; so Microsoft can do what Disney is doing right now; firing their American workers and importing cheap foreign labor. It's a cross party issue as well.
Lots of people -- across parties -- push for H1B visas. And rightly so. In fact, BG less of an H1B-pusher since he has very little to do with Microsoft's operations today.
Lots of people -- across parties -- push for H1B visas. And rightly so. In fact, BG less of an H1B-pusher since he has very little to do with Microsoft's operations today.
So you support replacing American jobs with cheap foreign labor. Congrats.
In a nut shell this is the problem with much of the global warming crowd, they deny that the climate on this planet has been changing for millennia. Frankly changing well before man had any significant impact at all on climate.
I'm not sure which crowd you're talking about, it seems most people know that there was an ice age, I remember vaguely reading about it in the sixties about the extinction of the sabre tooth tiger and wooly mammoth, I think it was maybe even in comic books. However perhaps many of them might not be aware of its cyclical nature from hot to cold and back.
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Originally Posted by wizard69
Honestly if Tim cook really wanted to help the world he would be supporting the various techniques being studied to bring low cost nuclear fusion on line as a power source. In the end it tis the only way to save the earth and keep it a livable and natural place to be. There simply isn't enough land mass to devote to solar farms, especially considering that the human population continues to grow.
Low cost fusion ? The US alone has spent close to 30 billion in the last 60 years on fusion, both Magnetic and Inertial, and we are nowhere near.
Fusion might be viable in the very long run, but we may not have time for that. We should still continue the research but in the meantime we have to bring up a more immediate solution like the Thorium MSR which also uses low cost fuel with a technology first developed 50 years ago and has not had any significant funding whatsoever. Fossil fuels are the dirty past, solar and wind could be the short-term cleaner present, but Thorium, specifically LFTR, is the immediate cleaner and cheaper future. That's where Apple should put just a mere couple of billions of loose change into.
In a nut shell this is the problem with much of the global warming crowd, they deny that the climate on this planet has been changing for millennia. Frankly changing well before man had any significant impact at all on climate. Beyond all of that there is plenty of data to indicate that the climate change that is being described by scientist right now is baloney. If any thing the amount of ice on the planet is increasing.
Frankly I have more respect for the scientist currently suggestion that we could be headed for a mini ice age in a decade or so. At least their projections indicate some respect for the importance of the sun in the whole discussion.
Well, if those same glaciers were there today, and we had clmate change, it would be a good thing. We are headed for an iCeage mini, but global temperatures are still increasing. The rub is how much do we want sea levels to rise, regardless of what's causing them.
Do we do what we can to get 50m rise, or keep talking about it until we get 200m?
So you support replacing American jobs with cheap foreign labor. Congrats.
There's nothing 'American' about it. I am afraid that's the nature of the beast, and it affects huge swathes of people in every country around the world. Things that are lower value-added and can be found cheaper elsewhere will be outsourced.
If you believe in the benefits of a globalized economy -- like I do, and you apparently don't except to the extent that you can consume cheap electronics and fossil fuels -- that is just a flip side of the wealth creation process. I am not happy about the side effects of globalization, but I think the benefits outweigh the costs.
Aren’t you cute, insulting people who have elementary reading comprehension of the data that climatologists collect.
Would any of you armchair scientists care to give your considered opinion on other topics? Are you big fans of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics? How about the aether model for the gravitational force? Rutherford's atomic model?
Come on, man; step it up! Reference the electric universe! “Hail Saturn!” and all that. " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
Why does Apple Insider attract so many crazy anthropogenic climate change deniers?
Would any of you armchair scientists care to give your considered opinion on other topics? Are you big fans of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics? How about the aether model for the gravitational force? Rutherford's atomic model?
Why does Apple Insider attract so many crazy anthropogenic climate change deniers?
Would any of you armchair scientists care to give your considered opinion on other topics? Are you big fans of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics? How about the aether model for the gravitational force? Rutherford's atomic model?
Don't be silly - the mother ship provides no instructions on what position to take on those subjects.
Impressed that you brought up Steyer's name. I know of him, and well. Very few people have heard of him (mention his name to an average person and see if it rings a bell, compared to, say mentioning the name 'Koch' or 'Adleson').
He's a tiny tiny influence on policy, and while he's funelling some money to pro-climate candidates, he's not a lobbyist. And he's a mere speck compared to the lobbying power of the 'anti-climate' groups. (I mentioned a whole bunch of well known ones in a prior post).
A few more of "his ilk" please? (Bloomberg is certainly one, a Republican; you could certainly add Gates to that, but while very rich, he's not "idle").
Cook is crossing a line into Gore's carbon credit nonsense! Cook should stick to defending our freedoms like with strong end-to-end encryption, not this crack pot mission of Gore the snake oil salesman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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... the "climate change" lobby is a huge fraud.
Who is this "climate change lobby" you speak of?
I do know that there is a fossil fuel lobby, an OPEC lobby, a bunch of Middle Eastern oil producer lobbies, the Business Roundtable lobby, a Canadian tar sands lobby, etc. but TBH, I've no clue who the climate change lobby is.
Cognitive dissonance can be such a b****.
I’m not sure if that’s ironic or just sad.
Yes.
In any case, I think Mr. Cook should be replaced. His use of the CEO position of Apple to pursue social changes seems to me not what a CEO should be doing. We have political processes for that. Of course it is up to the shareholders to deal with the issue of what the CEO should be up to. He's fortunate Apple is riding an in time with the iPhone. If that were to change I doubt he'd be in quite the same position to be circumventing the political process.
Cook is doing exactly as he should as CEO. Global warming affects Apple as it will stagnate Apple's long term success if people's priorities are to deal with its effects down the road. He sees what the economic environment of the future is going to be and looking to take advantage.
Rumor is that Apple is developing an electric car. Could be fuel cell powered or lithium battery powered, but electric motor. What are the odds that Cook will arrange for a carbon-neutral charging of an Apple car's battery, be it solar, wind, hydro generated H2 or electricity for the batteries? You don't think people will pay a premium for that in the 2020s?
Apple is selling a fitness wearable. There will be billions upon billions of people living on an increasing crowded planet who will be tracking health, who want to have instant communication.
If there are CEOs who have should be vilified, it's the CEOs of the Exxons and Chevrons of the world. They know which way the wind is blowing, and instead of charging headlong into alternative energy sources, they've doubled down, and their companies will be at the precipice of a cliff as the world moves away from fossil fuel based energy sources.
As far as I can tell, and I am no expert, is the only way to generate enough power for our society is nuclear, hydro, natural gas, oil, coal. They all have issues. Hydro usually involves destroying a lot the natural geography for dam construction, nuclear has a storage problem, carbon based fuels emit CO2 and apparently we don't have enough trees or processes to balance that.
It's going to be all the above. If we are to maintain the status quo of advancing human population to 10 billion, then 20 billion, it is all of the above. People are so tribal about one thing winning as if this a sporting event. It's going to be all of the above: nuclear, solar, wind, natural gas, tidal, wave, and whatever people come up with. Noticed I left coal and oil off the list. Those energy company CEOs in fact do know that it is going away eventually, they better be preparing their companies for the time when the means by which their companies make money will go away.
At least Bill Gates is pushing for breeder reactors.
People love to hate on Gates but I think he has done more good than bad in his time one the planet.
Gates is part of the class who wants to kick the trapdoor closed and keep others from climbing the ladder of success. It's why he pushes so hard for H1B visas; so Microsoft can do what Disney is doing right now; firing their American workers and importing cheap foreign labor. It's a cross party issue as well.
At least Bill Gates is pushing for breeder reactors.
People love to hate on Gates but I think he has done more good than bad in his time one the planet.
I agree.
I think that Bill Gates 2.0 is a phenomenal human being.
CO2 is the crisis but it first and foremost impacts the oceans. Luckily the oceans are also where CO2 can be best dealt with.
A billion dollars is about to be spent at the Paris COP21 for an 11 day extravaganza of orchestrated demands upon the world to commit hundreds of billions, even trillions of dollars each year to climate change. If instead that single billion dollars were put into a trust account to restore ocean fish pastures those ocean pastures would be revived and returned to their natural condition of health and abundance not seen for more than a century for the remainder of this century! The cost to restore ocean pastures is mere millions per year, neither hundreds of billions nor trillions!
As our revived ocean fish pastures grow their plankton 'grass' that growth will convert billions of tonnes of CO2 every year into ocean life. In the bargain each and every year billions of additional fish, salmon, cod, tuna, mackerel and more will swim into the nets and onto the plates of people around the world in desperate need of nourishing low cost food.
As for the cabal of climate change about to spend a billion dollars of expense money in Paris for a week long party I say let them eat cake... here's my recipe to heal and feed the planet http://russgeorge.net
Gates is part of the class who wants to kick the trapdoor closed and keep others from climbing the ladder of success. It's why he pushes so hard for H1B visas; so Microsoft can do what Disney is doing right now; firing their American workers and importing cheap foreign labor. It's a cross party issue as well.
Lots of people -- across parties -- push for H1B visas. And rightly so. In fact, BG less of an H1B-pusher since he has very little to do with Microsoft's operations today.
Lots of people -- across parties -- push for H1B visas. And rightly so. In fact, BG less of an H1B-pusher since he has very little to do with Microsoft's operations today.
So you support replacing American jobs with cheap foreign labor. Congrats.
I'm not sure which crowd you're talking about, it seems most people know that there was an ice age, I remember vaguely reading about it in the sixties about the extinction of the sabre tooth tiger and wooly mammoth, I think it was maybe even in comic books. However perhaps many of them might not be aware of its cyclical nature from hot to cold and back.
Honestly if Tim cook really wanted to help the world he would be supporting the various techniques being studied to bring low cost nuclear fusion on line as a power source. In the end it tis the only way to save the earth and keep it a livable and natural place to be. There simply isn't enough land mass to devote to solar farms, especially considering that the human population continues to grow.
Low cost fusion ? The US alone has spent close to 30 billion in the last 60 years on fusion, both Magnetic and Inertial, and we are nowhere near.
http://focusfusion.org/index.php/site/reframe/wasteful/
Fusion might be viable in the very long run, but we may not have time for that. We should still continue the research but in the meantime we have to bring up a more immediate solution like the Thorium MSR which also uses low cost fuel with a technology first developed 50 years ago and has not had any significant funding whatsoever. Fossil fuels are the dirty past, solar and wind could be the short-term cleaner present, but Thorium, specifically LFTR, is the immediate cleaner and cheaper future. That's where Apple should put just a mere couple of billions of loose change into.
http://www.thoriumenergyalliance.com/index.html
Then perhaps fusion if and whenever it comes along next century.
Well, if those same glaciers were there today, and we had clmate change, it would be a good thing. We are headed for an iCeage mini, but global temperatures are still increasing. The rub is how much do we want sea levels to rise, regardless of what's causing them.
Do we do what we can to get 50m rise, or keep talking about it until we get 200m?
There's nothing 'American' about it. I am afraid that's the nature of the beast, and it affects huge swathes of people in every country around the world. Things that are lower value-added and can be found cheaper elsewhere will be outsourced.
If you believe in the benefits of a globalized economy -- like I do, and you apparently don't except to the extent that you can consume cheap electronics and fossil fuels -- that is just a flip side of the wealth creation process. I am not happy about the side effects of globalization, but I think the benefits outweigh the costs.
Thanks, Tim, for outing all the loony climate change denialists on AI.
1) Ah, unfortunately, fairly substantial evidence seems to back up this "theory" you cite.
2) Corporations would "benefit from passing onerous restrictions on pollution"? Really? How?
3) Who (and please don't name Al Giore, it's become so tiresome) are the "idle rich and political meddlers" to whom you refer?
3) Try Tom Steyer and those of his ilk.
Originally Posted by seen
Aren’t you cute, insulting people who have elementary reading comprehension of the data that climatologists collect.
Come on, man; step it up! Reference the electric universe! “Hail Saturn!” and all that. " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
Why does Apple Insider attract so many crazy anthropogenic climate change deniers?
Would any of you armchair scientists care to give your considered opinion on other topics? Are you big fans of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics? How about the aether model for the gravitational force? Rutherford's atomic model?
Why does Apple Insider attract so many crazy anthropogenic climate change deniers?
Would any of you armchair scientists care to give your considered opinion on other topics? Are you big fans of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics? How about the aether model for the gravitational force? Rutherford's atomic model?
Don't be silly - the mother ship provides no instructions on what position to take on those subjects.
There you go everyone, fascism.
You recommending that as the solution?
Impressed that you brought up Steyer's name. I know of him, and well. Very few people have heard of him (mention his name to an average person and see if it rings a bell, compared to, say mentioning the name 'Koch' or 'Adleson').
He's a tiny tiny influence on policy, and while he's funelling some money to pro-climate candidates, he's not a lobbyist. And he's a mere speck compared to the lobbying power of the 'anti-climate' groups. (I mentioned a whole bunch of well known ones in a prior post).
A few more of "his ilk" please? (Bloomberg is certainly one, a Republican; you could certainly add Gates to that, but while very rich, he's not "idle").
Cook is crossing a line into Gore's carbon credit nonsense! Cook should stick to defending our freedoms like with strong end-to-end encryption, not this crack pot mission of Gore the snake oil salesman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.heartland.org/policy-documents/climate-change-classroom-education-or-indoctrination-part-1-why-al-gore-doesn’t-bel
https://www.heartland.org/policy-documents/al-gore-and-friends-create-climate-mccarthyism