This 94% figure may well be patently false, and simply a way for the "analyst market", which is largely skewed to the Apple-skeptical bent, to start flying a kite for the application of anti-trust measures by governments against Apple, despite the fact that it operates in global markets where it has such a low market share.
Mark my words, it will come as no surprise in the fulness of time if ridiculous somersaults of logic such as we have seen from Wall Street nincompoops will be put out there as "genuine cause for concern that requires proactive measures by the regulatory bodies".
Rollout on product based on these ideas has been at a snail pace.
If they were able to execute better on these ideas, I feel they would have a more profitable ecosystem.
Apple maps needs to be better too... And at a more rapid clip.
While I would also love to see a higher pace on the items you mentioned it seems that the numbers of this article prove that Apple does not "need" to be faster.
For me, this is the key piece of information: Apple sold 48 million phones not 14% of 48 million.
Granted, all 48 million smartphone users do not want to buy a middle or high end smart phone.
But I'm willing to bet that Apple can still grow its marketshare at the expense of Samsung and other companies.
It's kind of like PC's. Even though the overall market is shrinking, Apple's sales and marketshare are growing.
Also, I believe (although I am too lazy to find the data to prove it) that people are increasingly willing to spend more money on smartphones, due in part to the increasing importance of smartphones in peoples' lives (both function and status).
I'm glad Apple is doing well and I love my Macs!!! But I wonder if having that much profit is maybe because Apple is charging too much for their phones and, in good conscience, ought to lower their prices a little bit???
Yep... Especially outside US their prices are almost unacceptable...
Yep... Especially outside US their prices are almost unacceptable...
Precisely. In India, it's absurd. The 6s starts at INR 57000 (or around 950 $) for the 16 GB variant. That's for a barely developed market that's just beginning to roll out LTE support. (As of now, just one carrier offers 4G)
And with 3G costs coming at around 7.5 $ for 2GB of spotty coverage, even if you could afford an iPhone, can you imagine the usage costs?
Right now, it's more of a status symbol, really impractical, and with a high price tag. I really hope Apple does do something about it...
Apple, Samsung, Microsoft and Lenovo will probably still be in the market next year..... but the rest I would not bet on staying in the business of making them. Samsung makes on smartphones either way (component business), Microsoft will continue scraping buy trying to convince everyone they are a serious contender.... but not really being one.
The market is going to have some serious changes coming - and other than Samsung competing in the Android market for the upscale market (but having problems), the remaining Android makers are going to be low cost alternatives. So yes, Samsung and Google will make high end devices but they are going to be serious stress building up in the Android ecosystem between the two ends. Google tried to become the Microsoft (PC) of the phone market - but they ceded to much control and that is already causing major issues (more than Microsoft did).... So in the short/mid term things do not look rosy in the non-Apple ecosystems.
What is funny is that Samsung makes a lot of money from the phone business (Apple being one customer) yet cannot seem to give themselves an advantage in margins.....
I'm glad Apple is doing well and I love my Macs!!! But I wonder if having that much profit is maybe because Apple is charging too much for their phones and, in good conscience, ought to lower their prices a little bit???
If Apple was charging too much then people wouldn't be buying their products. Since Apple's iPhones are selling as many as they can product they aren't selling them for too much, and one could argue that they aren't selling them for enough money since the demand continually outstrips supply. Now, you, as an individual buyer can say that Apple charges "too much," and you, can choose to buy that $10 Android phone at Walmart, but that has no bearing on what the market will bear.
Yep... Especially outside US their prices are almost unacceptable...
Precisely. In India, they're absurd. The 6s starts at INR 57000 (or 950 $) for the 16 GB variant. And that's for a barely developed market where LTE is just beginning to roll out (Just one carrier, as of now).
What is funny is that Samsung makes a lot of money from the phone business (Apple being one customer) yet cannot seem to give themselves an advantage in margins.....
Their component business isn't part of their phone business.
The 94% is ridiculously misleading. It is 94% of the (estimated profits - estimated losses) not of the estimated profits. What if Microsoft would do a write off of its smartphone business and post a loss a of a few billion, so that the accumulated loss becomes bigger than the profit. Would Apple suddenly have -120% of the losses?? The fact that the figures of the privately owned Huawei (with unknown profits) are not included is sufficient to call this 94% absolute bullshit. Huawei has a marketshare of about 7.5%, which could be quite relevant when calculating the overall profit of the market. Of course the fact remains that is Apple who makes the lion share of the profits, but the figure of 94% is pure speculation.
What you don't understand is that Apple is selling the iPhones at very nearly the cost that other manufacturers pay for their components and other expenses. Apple is killing it because of their scale of business. If Apple were to reduce their sale prices they could be sued for predatory pricing.
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Secret sauce. If it was common knowledge, everyone would be doing it.
This 94% figure may well be patently false, and simply a way for the "analyst market", which is largely skewed to the Apple-skeptical bent, to start flying a kite for the application of anti-trust measures by governments against Apple, despite the fact that it operates in global markets where it has such a low market share.
Mark my words, it will come as no surprise in the fulness of time if ridiculous somersaults of logic such as we have seen from Wall Street nincompoops will be put out there as "genuine cause for concern that requires proactive measures by the regulatory bodies".
While I would also love to see a higher pace on the items you mentioned it seems that the numbers of this article prove that Apple does not "need" to be faster.
Precisely. In India, it's absurd. The 6s starts at INR 57000 (or around 950 $) for the 16 GB variant. That's for a barely developed market that's just beginning to roll out LTE support. (As of now, just one carrier offers 4G)
And with 3G costs coming at around 7.5 $ for 2GB of spotty coverage, even if you could afford an iPhone, can you imagine the usage costs?
Right now, it's more of a status symbol, really impractical, and with a high price tag. I really hope Apple does do something about it...
Apple, Samsung, Microsoft and Lenovo will probably still be in the market next year..... but the rest I would not bet on staying in the business of making them. Samsung makes on smartphones either way (component business), Microsoft will continue scraping buy trying to convince everyone they are a serious contender.... but not really being one.
The market is going to have some serious changes coming - and other than Samsung competing in the Android market for the upscale market (but having problems), the remaining Android makers are going to be low cost alternatives. So yes, Samsung and Google will make high end devices but they are going to be serious stress building up in the Android ecosystem between the two ends. Google tried to become the Microsoft (PC) of the phone market - but they ceded to much control and that is already causing major issues (more than Microsoft did).... So in the short/mid term things do not look rosy in the non-Apple ecosystems.
What is funny is that Samsung makes a lot of money from the phone business (Apple being one customer) yet cannot seem to give themselves an advantage in margins.....
If Apple was charging too much then people wouldn't be buying their products. Since Apple's iPhones are selling as many as they can product they aren't selling them for too much, and one could argue that they aren't selling them for enough money since the demand continually outstrips supply. Now, you, as an individual buyer can say that Apple charges "too much," and you, can choose to buy that $10 Android phone at Walmart, but that has no bearing on what the market will bear.
Precisely. In India, they're absurd. The 6s starts at INR 57000 (or 950 $) for the 16 GB variant. And that's for a barely developed market where LTE is just beginning to roll out (Just one carrier, as of now).
Their component business isn't part of their phone business.
The fact that the figures of the privately owned Huawei (with unknown profits) are not included is sufficient to call this 94% absolute bullshit. Huawei has a marketshare of about 7.5%, which could be quite relevant when calculating the overall profit of the market.
Of course the fact remains that is Apple who makes the lion share of the profits, but the figure of 94% is pure speculation.
Prices outside the US are due to currency differences and your own country's taxes and tariffs. Protectionism: Look this word up in a dictionary.
Prices outside the US are due to currency differences and your own country's taxes and tariffs. Protectionism: Look this word up in a dictionary.
Sucks to be a resource industry based currency these days....
What you don't understand is that Apple is selling the iPhones at very nearly the cost that other manufacturers pay for their components and other expenses. Apple is killing it because of their scale of business. If Apple were to reduce their sale prices they could be sued for predatory pricing.
No, they couldn't.
Difference in Europe is way higher than current exchange rate plus VAT