Facebook SDK for tvOS could solve Apple TV's app login problem

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  • Reply 21 of 52
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    Originally Posted by Yojimbo007 View Post



    Why does everyone have so many issues with logins..?

    You do it once and you are set...

     

    Because some people are smart enough not to use the same short, simple login for every service they subscribe to. Entering multiple long, secure passwords using the onscreen keyboard was a ridiculous pain in the ass.

  • Reply 22 of 52
    freediverx wrote: »
    Because some people are smart enough not to use the same short, simple login for every service they subscribe to. Entering multiple long, secure passwords using the onscreen keyboard was a ridiculous pain in the ass.
    well i guess i must be very smart according to your standards.. ... Thank God.

    I dont use the same password... I use my app specific unique password at set up of each app and i don't have to do it again every time i open the app...
    So where is the problem?
    Can u please elaborate?
  • Reply 23 of 52

    I haven't used the AppleTV yet, so don't fully understand the problem, but is this not something touchID could solve?

  • Reply 24 of 52
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    freediverx wrote: »

    The remote is fine for everything except text input. No one has enjoyed entering multiple logins on their new Apple TV using Apple's crappy on-screen keyboard. They had a perfectly good Remote app that allowed you to use your iPhone's keyboard for this purpose yet they excluded support for the app for some reason.

    Ok well I'm not defending text input but that's not the remotes fault. ;)
  • Reply 25 of 52
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    Originally Posted by monstrosity View Post

     

    I haven't used the AppleTV yet, so don't fully understand the problem, but is this not something touchID could solve?




    The remote does not have a TouchID sensor and there is no support for any interaction with your iPhone beyond AirPlay. In the grand scheme of things, it's mainly a one time inconvenience when first setting up the Apple TV, as you potentially have to repeatedly log into various services using the clunky on-screen keyboard. The obvious solution would be to use your iPhone's keyboard using the Remote app, but that app doesn't work with the new model.

     

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    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post



    Ok well I'm not defending text input but that's not the remotes fault. 1wink.gif


     

    There's nothing wrong with the Apple TV remote, but t's baffling that Apple released this thing without support for the iOS Remote app and its built-in keyboard and have expressed no intention to add support later.

  • Reply 26 of 52
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    I haven't used the AppleTV yet, so don't fully understand the problem, but is this not something touchID could solve?

    Are you currently able to log into Netflix and other streaming media services using Touch ID? For me Netflix was the only pain in the ass. Most others had me go to a website to punch in a code. Still not great but I'm not sure how much control Apple has over that.
  • Reply 27 of 52
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    freediverx wrote: »
    Because some people are smart enough not to use the same short, simple login for every service they subscribe to. Entering multiple long, secure passwords using the onscreen keyboard was a ridiculous pain in the ass.

    Did you have to do that? I had to do it for Netflix but most others, like ESPN and HBO made me go to a website and enter a code to authenticate.
  • Reply 28 of 52
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    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post





    Did you have to do that? I had to do it for Netflix but most others, like ESPN and HBO made me go to a website and enter a code to authenticate.



    Also iCloud, iTunes, Game Center, Home Sharing... The only saving grace was the ability to use NFC to transfer my Wifi login from my iPhone.

  • Reply 29 of 52
    I remember when the new Apple TV first came out a few people posted "How nice - now for $199 you get to be the first to get to sign up for hardware beta testing with Apple" and thinking well that's kind of harsh, but seriously after hearing all you guys complain about the very things I've been complaining about that may be closer to the truth than I realized

    I've thought many of these things myself but kept them to myself but now I reading things like "well I hope apple is reading and listening..." I think there's a way for that to happen actually. Return their "beta hardware" in droves!

    If this were a Samsung product we'd be ripping it to shreds. Or even if the new iPad pro had these sorts of bizarre issues (no means to add a Bluetooth keyboard) no one would put up with it. But we've waited SO LONG for this to come out were just buying it and complaining to each other. I think if apple saw a 95% return rate on this product things would not only change but would change quickly! It's one thing for us to all bitch about the obvious not well thought out issues here but by NOT returning it were not only giving apple a pass, we're enabling them to put other things out before they're ready. I could see offering Apple TV as an actual "public hardware testing" option if they would then fix it but there's some serious problems here that at least my 5 year old Apple TV addressed.

    The most frustrating IS the lack of a Bluetooth keyboard. What's that all about? Would allowing that option scream "we made a crappy user interface and the only way around it is to buy something to fix it?" If so they didn't have a problem gutting optical audio. Oh I know some of you guys have chastised ANYONE who has EVER brought this up, but for 90% of us who buy Apple product and now CANT afford to then go out and buy a new Bluetooth wireless sound system, because Apple took all the money - we still need sound you idiots! I had to purchase a device for $25 (yet another piece of equipment cluttering up my tv setup) just to make the sound work on Apple TV that instead of $69 - the price of the old one - it cost me $199 and all so they could add a USB-C port which apples own Genius Bar stated "yeah it serves no purpose it's just if something goes wrong we can run diagnostics". WTF? I don't get to use my sound system because Apple MAY need to run diagnostics some day? News flash: I've never had to take my 3 previous apple tv units, nor the 5 I bought for friends over the years, to Apple Genius Bar EVER! So instead of an "all in one" unit now my friends and i have to buy 8 adapter units to run the new Apple TV or buy 8 new wireless sound systems?

    Ok so apple doesn't want to allow a Bluetooth keyboard (yet you can run a Bluetooth controller??) then why the heck can't I speak slowly to Siri, my Apple ID and passwords? It can look up complicated search info, even directions to Radio Shack to buy the adapter to get my sound back, but it can't understand me slowly speaking "r a z r m a I d @ a o l . c o m". Seriously???

    If we all return it in droves, these issues WILL be addressed. But if we don't, we'll just be enabling Apple for putting out "beta hardware" and very little or nothing will be fine to address it.

    My proof of this? I just saw AI's post of the elaborate billboard campaign. Why not refund people the money they spent until they fix it? They tried to pull this with Final Cut Pro when they put out that crappy replacement "Final Cut Pro X". They refunded EVERYONE that bought it, then fixed it over a series of 8 updates which took over a year! So it only works when we scream. Pack them up and take them back today and show them "this was beta hardware contact me when the real things ready - starting with getting it home and having sound without drvng somewhere to fix that flagging error!"

    Joseph

    UPDATE: and what's up with the new text correction on apple devices lately? I don't actually type this bad. I type very accurately but I had to go back and make 13 spelling and word corrections because it keeps changing what I typed correctly, to mindless junk.
    Example: I typed Apple TV 12 times but half of them it changed to Apple to. Apple "to"?? The "o" key and "v" key aren't EVEN close so don't tell me I did that. I could see Apple "tb" or "tc" because those are the keys around "v" but Apple "to"? Come on!
  • Reply 30 of 52
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    Originally Posted by razormaid View Post



    I remember when the new Apple TV first came out a few people posted "How nice - now for $199 you get to be the first to get to sign up for hardware beta testing with Apple" and thinking well that's kind of harsh, but seriously after hearing all you guys complain about the very things I've been complaining about that may be closer to the truth than I realized



    I've thought many of these things myself but kept them to myself but now I reading things like "well I hope apple is reading and listening..." I think there's a way for that to happen actually. Return their "beta hardware" in droves!



    If this were Samsung or even the new iPad pro no one would put up with it. But we've waited SO LONG for this to come out were just buying it and complaining to each other. I think if apple saw a 95% return rate on this product things would not only change but would change quickly! It's one thing for us to all bitch about the obvious not well thought out issues here but by NOT returning it were not only giving apple a pass. We're enabling them to put other things out before they're ready. I could see offering Apple TV as an actual "public hardware testing" option if they would then fix it but there's some serious problems here that at least my 5 year old Apple TV addressed.



    The most frustrating IS the lack of a Bluetooth keyboard. What's that all about? Would allowing that option scream "we made a crappy user interface and the only way around it is to buy something to fix it?" If so they didn't have a problem gutting optical audio. Oh I know some of you guys have chastised ANYONE who has EVER brought this up, but for 90% of us who buy Apple product and not CANT afford to then go out and buy a new Bluetooth sound system because Apple took all the money - we still need sound you idiots! I had to purchase a device to make the sound work on apple to that instead of $69 cost me $199 and all so they could add a USB-C port which apples own Genius Bar stated "yeah it serves no purpose it's just if sound thing goes wrong we can run diagnostics". WTF? I don't get to use my sound system because Apple MAY need to run diagnostics some day? News flash: I've never had to take my 3 previous apple to units, nor the 5 I bought for friends over the years, to Apple Genius Bar EVER! So instead of an "all in one" unit now me and my friends have to buy 8 adapter units to run the new Apple TV or buy 8 new wireless sound systems?



    Ok so apple doesn't want to allow a Bluetooth keyboard (yet you can run a Bluetooth controller??) then why the heck can't I speak slowly to Siri my Apple ID an passwords? It can look up complicated search info, even directions to Radio Shack to buy the adapter to get my sound back, but it can't understand me slow lowly speaking "r a z r m a I d @ a o l . c o m". Seriously???



    If we all return it in drives these issues WILL be addressed. But if we don't well just be enabling Apple for putting out "beta hardware" and very little or nothing will be fine to address it.



    My proof of this? I just saw AI's post of the elaborate billboard campaign. Why not refund people the money they spent until they fix it? They tried to pull this with Final Cut Pro when they put out that crappy replacement "Final Cut Pro X". They refunded EVERYONE that bought it then fixed it over a series of 8 updates which took over a year! So it only works when we scream. Pack them up and take them back today and show them "this was beta hardware contact me when the real things ready - starting with getting it home and having sound without drvng somewhere to fix that flagging error!"



    Joseph



    Although I like to complain as much as the next guy, let's try to keep things in perspective here. For the most part, the new Apple TV is a big improvement over its predecessors so long as you consume content from sources like HBO, Netflix, etc. And for those who have a library of movies and shows on their home computer, the Plex app fills in the gap left by Apple's crappy Home Sharing experience.

     

    The lack of support for the Remote app and its built-in keyboard is annoying as hell, but for most of us this is a hurdle we only have to jump once when initially setting up the Apple TV. it's a bit ridiculous to condemn the product altogether, let alone suggest everyone return it, because of a moronic flaw that won't affect us after the initial setup period.

  • Reply 31 of 52
    Between tvOS and Apple Music, a bad year for Apple UI/UX in general.

    if you're a doomsayer who refuses to learn, I guess. Apple Music is fine, and Apple TV passwords take 5 minutes to get used to. the swipes on the linear input are accelerated so I can zip thru them no problem now. hold a letter for cap version.
  • Reply 32 of 52
    freediverx wrote: »
    Because some people are smart enough not to use the same short, simple login for every service they subscribe to. Entering multiple long, secure passwords using the onscreen keyboard was a ridiculous pain in the ass.

    it's not a question intelligence, Mr Smarty, it's balance. I'm not going to bother securing my video rental service with a difficult password. the losses don't outweigh the gains. nine characters, alpha is fine.
  • Reply 33 of 52
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NolaMacGuy View Post





    it's not a question intelligence, Mr Smarty, it's balance. I'm not going to boer securing my video rental service with a difficult password. the losses don't outweigh the gains. nine characters, alpha is fine.



    Yes, but if you then use the same login from your video rental service for a variety of other services in a quest for convenience, a breach of one service would make your login vulnerable across multiple services. This was the root of the "Fappening" celebrity photo breach. Apple's servers weren't compromised, but some celebrities had other accounts compromised and they used the same logins for iCloud.

     

    Apple TV requires logins for iCloud, iTunes, and Home Sharing. if you have simple, easy to hack logins for those, you're risking far more than just a "video rental service." You're risking access to your credit card, personal photos & videos, and home network.

  • Reply 34 of 52
    freediverx wrote:
    Although I like to complain as much as the next guy, let's try to keep things in perspective here. For the most part, the new Apple TV is a big improvement over its predecessors so long as you consume content from sources like HBO, Netflix, etc. And for those who have a library of movies and shows on their home computer, the Plex app fills in the gap left by Apple's crappy Home Sharing experience.

    The lack of support for the Remote app and its built-in keyboard is annoying as hell, but for most of us this is a hurdle we only have to jump once when initially setting up the Apple TV. it's a bit ridiculous to condemn the product altogether, let alone suggest everyone return it, because of a moronic flaw that won't affect us after the initial setup period.

    Just curious did you shell out money for Final Cut Pro X? That's what happens when people speak out in droves. Apple then fixes it. Oh and that was under Steve Jobs. I can't even imagine how much the furniture replacement cost was for that scream fest when he found out his software department took a professional software which was used to finish editing a VERY FAMOUS movie - on a plane home no less because it supported multiple camera views (as in even a basic 30 minute comedy tv show has at least 3 camera angles in case you didn't know)... and the brilliant minds at Apple reduced it to one camera angle and called it. "pro"? That's nice for grandma to edit her grandchildds birthday party but you're not going to assemble an episode of "Six Feet Under" anytime soon. Yes everyone went back to Adobe Premier immediately because despite apples shortsightedness WE all still had to work.

    So you've missed my point entirely about don't release it till it's ready not just because there was an expensive ad campaign waiting to capitalize on Christmas sales. (Hint: that was my point)

    I didn't say everything was useless regarding the new Apple TV, but to get something home and not have the option for 5.1 surround sound without rushing out to buy an adapter or wait 3 days for Amazon to deliver the wrong one - because Apple dumped it for a diagnostic option that may or may never happen in the future?? Unacceptable even for Samsung.

    Remember, I didn't say that removing the port and adding a USB-C that does nothing till it breaks was stupid, the guy at the Genius Bar said it - an actual apple employee! In fact he added "it's like telling the public it's going to break so much we need access - quite the wrong message", and I quote. So apple's own people roll their eyes on that decision. But you're NOT fixing that one anytime soon with a "firmware update". It's missing the port! At least with Final Cut Pro X eventually we got back multiple camera views to make it professional again but obviously even Steve didn't know prior to launch, otherwise he wouldn't have refunded everyone immediately.
  • Reply 35 of 52
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by razormaid View Post



    Just curious did you shell out money for Funal Cut Pro X? That's what happens when people speak out in droves. Apple then fixes it. Oh and that was under Steve Jobs. I can't even imagine how much the furniture replacement cost was for that scream fest when he found out his software department took a professional software which was used to finish editing a VERT FAMOUS movie - on a plane home no less because it supported multiple camera views (as in every tv show has at least 3 camera angles in case you didn't know)... and the brilliant mi da at Apple reduced it to one - one Cabrera Angie! That's nice for grandma to edit her grandchild a birthday party but you're not going to assemble an episode of "Six Feet Under" anytime soon.

     

    Final Cut Pro X was a revolutionary product. Apple botched its introduction, not its design or development. There were two key complaints from existing users when it was introduced: 1) the user interface appeared "dumbed down" and unfamiliar and 2) it was missing important features that pro video editors depended on. 

     

    The new user interface was infinitely superior to its predecessor's. It was far more intuitive and efficient, but it did require a learning curve for people accustomed to the old interface. The missing functionality was restored over a period of a few months, at which point most of the loudest complainers acknowledged that FCPX was truly a superior product. I only use the app sparingly, but I know two people who use it professionally and their reaction followed the path I described from shock and anger to acceptance and admiration.

     

    Again, Apple screwed up in the way they released the product - simultaneously killing the old version, failing to inform users about their plans to add the missing features, and failing to illustrate how the new UI was actually more powerful and efficient than the old one. 

     

    Unfortunately this is more than I can say for their abandonment of Aperture, for which there is no suitable replacement from Apple or anyone else. Not surprisingly, the person who designed both Aperture and FCPX retired from Apple, which I suspect is the reason they killed Aperture and a sign that FCPX's future is in question.

  • Reply 36 of 52
    All the whining aside, I give thanks for Apple in my life, and AAPL in my portfolio! :D

    Happy thanksgiving, all!
  • Reply 37 of 52
    freediverx wrote: »
    Final Cut Pro X was a revolutionary product. Apple botched its introduction, not its design or development. There were two key complaints from existing users when it was introduced: 1) the user interface appeared "dumbed down" and unfamiliar and 2) it was missing important features that pro video editors depended on.

    The new user interface was infinitely superior to its predecessor's. It was far more intuitive and efficient, but it did require a learning curve for people accustomed to the old interface. The missing functionality was restored over a period of a few months, at which point most of the loudest complainers acknowledged that FCPX was truly a superior product. I only use the app sparingly, but I know two people who use it professionally and their reaction followed the path I described from shock and anger to acceptance and admiration.

    Again, Apple screwed up in the way they released the product - simultaneously killing the old version, failing to inform users about their plans to add the missing features, and failing to illustrate how the new UI was actually more powerful and efficient than the old one.

    Unfortunately this is more than I can say for their abandonment of Aperture, for which there is no suitable replacement from Apple or anyone else. Not surprisingly, the person who designed both Aperture and FCPX retired from Apple, which I suspect is the reason they killed Aperture and a sign that FCPX's future is in question.

    ""Botched its release?" That's not only an understatement that's my point with Apple TV. They "botched" it's release. But unlike software they can't "firmware update" a missing port.

    I'm just saying if Samsung put out hardware who's own remote app wouldn't work we'd have a field day with them. But we're letting Apple off the hook for so many "glaring obvious even to their employees" problems it's hypocritical to not put their heels to the fire on this one.

    You brag what a great product FCPX is now but it took almost a year to fix it. You must have forgotten the part where Apple "end of life's" Final Cut Pro 7 immediately the day the mess cane out. People who had just paid $1,000 the week before now found themselves not only with no tech support but 1 camera angle only. That was one of the worst launches in apples history for those of us professionals who actually got paid Friday but had no software that worked overnight.

    Steve had to "turn back on" Final Cut Pro 7 due to the outcry. How quickly you forgot

    I'm not saying Apple TV faux pas is that bad, but wait... No surround sound and no Siri to at least speak the alphabet? Maybe it is that bad after all. Returning them will fix that say in 8 months?
  • Reply 38 of 52
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    Originally Posted by razormaid View Post





    ""Botched its release?" That's not only an understatement that's my point with Apple TV. They "botched" it's release. But unlike software they can't "firmware update" a missing port.



    I'm just saying if Samsung put out hardware who's own remote app wouldn't work we'd have a field day with them. But we're letting Apple off the hook for so many "glaring obvious even to their employees" problems it's hypocritical to not put their heels to the fire on this one.



    You brag what a great product FCPX is now but it took almost a year to fix it. You must have forgotten the part where Apple "end of life's" Final Cut Pro 7 immediately the day the mess cane out. People who had just paid $1,000 the week before now found themselves not only with no tech support but 1 camera angle only. That was one of the worst launches in apples history for those of us professionals who actually got paid Friday but had no software that worked overnight.



    Steve had to "turn back on" Final Cut Pro 7 due to the outcry. How quickly you forgot



    I'm not saying Apple TV faux pas is that bad, but wait... No surround sound and no Siri to at least speak the alphabet? Maybe it is that bad after all. Returning them will fix that say in 8 months?



    The lack of a port isn't a defect, it's a design decision. Apple has a long history of killing support for what they deem to be soon to be obsolete standards and technologies before the rest of the industry is ready to do so.

     

    Lack of support for the Remote app appears to be another design decision, not a bug. You can disagree with the design decision, but that's a stretch from comparing Apple to Samsung, whose design process consists of copying everyone else.

     

    It didn't take a year to "fix" FCPX. The app was a complete ground up rewrite. The missing features had to be developed from scratch for the new app. Their mistake, in my view, was in halting sales of the old version before they could deliver feature parity in the new version, and in completely failing to communicate their intentions and timeline to existing users. So again, that was a failure of PR and marketing, not software design.

     

    Regarding surround sound support, as I understand it this is available via HDMI, just not via optical. Apple probably assumes most will have a receiver with HDMI input and others can buy a $40 adapter. So the issue is a decision not to support some systems using an older standard, not a failure to support surround sound in general.

  • Reply 39 of 52
    misamisa Posts: 827member
    Ughhh. absolutely not. No Facebook on my devices. EVER. I'll accept twitter which has a some semblance of anonymity, but even then I should not require logging into anything online to use a device.

    By design, you are supposed to use ALL hardware with the included software and not need to use a third party solution just to do anything basic. If you need a third party hardware or software just to do the most basic thing, then that is a dependency on a service or hardware item the manufacturer has no control over, and thus their obsolescence is immediate should that item no longer be available.

    Apple's "mistake" here, IMO, is same as Nintendo's with the original Wii. Game consoles other than the Wii came with a controller in a standard configuration, but it's a huge pain in the ass to use for text entry. The solution? Plugin a keyboard, or spend minutes entering things by hand with the controller. This did however force Sony and Microsoft to think about solutions, which Microsoft's solution was probably the smarter choice (have the device be able to "see" the person in the room) but everyone balked at due to privacy reasons. Apple bought that company.

    What Apple should/could have done here was innovate more. The AppleTV should have came with a "iPod" type of touch-screen controller with game-pad style buttons like the Wii U. Not a "32GB iPod Touch" as a controller but rather a "dumb terminal" device that operates in a similar fashion to the Wii U with a 3.5" screen, that primarily "copies" the contents of the TVos screen. If the user has their own iPhone/iPod's they could also be used instead and be "player 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8" in that rare instance a family has enough people with iOS devices they can play digital card games/scrabble with. I'm pretty sure Apple could do this, and would be more intuitive. Throw an Infrared "blaster" capability into the remote and it also becomes a universal remote that can turn on other devices that aren't CEC capable.
  • Reply 40 of 52
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,282member
    freediverx wrote: »

    Regarding surround sound support, as I understand it this is available via HDMI, just not via optical. Apple probably assumes most will have a receiver with HDMI input and others can buy a $40 adapter. So the issue is a decision not to support some systems using an older standard, not a failure to support surround sound in general.
    Could that perhaps have more to do with DRM than trying to obsolete a widely available optical port that almost every sound bar offers? Very few of those have an HDMI connection and requiring users to go spend another $40 to get an adapter for "no particular reason" doesn't sound right.
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