BlackBerry CEO bashes Apple's data privacy policies

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  • Reply 21 of 35
    dewmedewme Posts: 6,102member
    I do not agree with Apple's position regarding data either. Can someone please tell me when the government or law enforcement agencies have used data to wrong its citizens? The constitution is fucking outdated people and needs to evolve with the times.
    Yes, one of the most egregious actions ever committed against US citizens was the result of such behavior: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/confirmed-the-us-census-b/

    One of the primary reasons for having a Constitution is to ensure that contemporary whims of society do not trample on the guiding principles that create the moral and legal foundation of a nation. Of course this does not mean that these principles are correct, and there are plenty of examples of them being totally wrong. That's why there is a process for amending the Constitution. If law enforcement agencies want to seek such an amendment they are free to do so. But doing so should be heavily scrutinized and completely transparent, not tacked on to sneaky legislation or disguised as a patriotic act during a heightened state of national fear.
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  • Reply 22 of 35
    I do not agree with Apple's position regarding data either. Can someone please tell me when the government or law enforcement agencies have used data to wrong its citizens? The constitution is fucking outdated people and needs to evolve with the times.
    That's right. F%$& the Constitution. We're at WAR!!1!1!

    In any case, why is it so hard to understand that building a back door makes it possible for anyone with a key to open it, which puts us all at risk?
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  • Reply 23 of 35
    I do not agree with Apple's position regarding data either. Can someone please tell me when the government or law enforcement agencies have used data to wrong its citizens? The constitution is fucking outdated people and needs to evolve with the times.
    Since control by religion seems to finally be faltering to a greater extent, technology is the next play. Governments in general have exerted control over citizens in one way or another for hundreds of years, and the USA's primary method is Big Media "news" outlets. That's why I don't watch "news" stations. The USA and others are great at scaring citizens into agreeing with laws designed to wrong citizens. 

    Homeland Security
    Martial Law
    Patriot Act

    All were enacted because the government-backed Big Media put the fear into uneducated citizens who all agreed the government's "safety nets" are essential to protect "us" from "terrorists" and so forth.

    Nobody should trust the government, no matter how much you believe you have nothing to hide. If you don't pay taxes, you lose your belongings and/or go to jail. How is this a "free" country, again?
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  • Reply 24 of 35
    This coming from a company that pioneered encrypted communication for drug dealers.
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  • Reply 25 of 35
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,526member
    There's a brain scanning technique that can determine if you've previously seen an image that you are shown a picture of.  Future law enforcement might wish to use this to show a suspect a picture of a murder scene, to determine whether the suspect's brain registers recognition and therefore provides evidence the suspect was at the murder scene.  Interesting, from a scientific standpoint, but scary from the point of view of privacy. 

    The notion that data inside our brains might be available for inspection is going to one day be a public policy debate. Better to start that debate now, with our mobile phones and the very personal data they encrypt acting as a proxy for our minds. I know which side of that debate I fall on; a person should have the right to private thoughts, those he/she chooses not to share with the world. 

    The fact that some of our thoughts are held in silicon rather than our neurons should make little difference.  I say our personal devices should be seen as an extension of our minds, sacrosanct from forced inspection.

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    My criteria for listening to someone like Chen is that he must have at least as broad and nuanced a view as my own (stated above), which doesn't necessarily have to agree with mine, but at least shows thinking on the broader issue and its implications for society and the future.  If he can't, or won't, speak to the underlying issue and give his views relative to that, but instead merely brings up the subject as a means of taking a stab at his competition, that's the clearest sign he knows little of what he speaks.  
    Well said. Computers aren't filing cabinets, they're extentions of our memory, goals, intentions. Your brain scan analogy is air tight, I think.
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  • Reply 26 of 35
    I do not agree with Apple's position regarding data either. Can someone please tell me when the government or law enforcement agencies have used data to wrong its citizens? The constitution is fucking outdated people and needs to evolve with the times.
    Why haven't you evolved with the times?
    jbdragon
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  • Reply 27 of 35
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    entropys said:
    "The Greater Good"?  Who is Chang to determine what the greater good is?

    Cooperate to a certain degree?  What degree?

    Chen should focus on keeping Blackberry alive before they go under instead of playing judge, jury and executioner.


    Quite so. Not only is Chen that type who are so sure of their virtue that they know what the greater good is, he also can apparently know who are criminals even before they are convicted, and ( this is very important) that the government would only ever target the bad guys.  
    Agreed. They're the words of a very privileged individual that has never felt oppressed by any authority. He has the wealth to insure his own isolation from the realities of the increasing assaults against the so-called "freedoms" of America. 
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  • Reply 28 of 35
    It is coming from a Canadian company.  That tells you everything you need to know.  
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  • Reply 29 of 35
    I do not agree with Apple's position regarding data either. Can someone please tell me when the government or law enforcement agencies have used data to wrong its citizens? The constitution is fucking outdated people and needs to evolve with the times.
    are you f'ing serious? 

    how about when the FBI tried to blackmail MLK Jr. into committing suicide?
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  • Reply 30 of 35
    pmcdpmcd Posts: 396member
    djkfisher said:
    It is coming from a Canadian company.  That tells you everything you need to know.  
    What on earth is that supposed to mean?
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  • Reply 31 of 35
    pmcdpmcd Posts: 396member
    cali said:
    Sounds like desperation. How? By brainless trash talk. Apple cares for privacy, Bad Bad Apple. Maybe I should buy a Blackberry droid.

    "Chen didn't go so far as to name Apple outright, but he did point to a recent development in which "one of the world's most powerful tech companies" refused law enforcement requests to unlock a smartphone belonging to a known drug dealer. "

    How did law officials solve crimes before cell phones??

    I assume law officials didn't have to worry about the same issues before cell phones? I guess much depends on whether or not you feel there is a significant threat posed to the country by the current situation. If you don't then there is no issue. 
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  • Reply 32 of 35
    wood1208wood1208 Posts: 2,954member
    OK Blackberry, you have pretty good secured mobile OS but IOS is very close. Now, if you talked about Android than I understand that all the security holes left behind will allow hackers to capture and send your log-in credentials and account info so those in "Dark World" business of duplicating credit cards with your info to sell will benefit and you loose, I am a victim of such fraud using Android on LG Optimus G e970 with old Jellybean android with lots of security holes. Unlike Apple IOS, Android manufacturers hardly upgrade new OS on 2 years or older phones so you are vulnerable to such hack/attack.
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  • Reply 33 of 35
    jfc1138jfc1138 Posts: 3,090member
    They just reported shipping 700,000  units a decline of 12.5% from the previous quarter's 800,000. So he's gotta play with the press.
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  • Reply 34 of 35
    koopkoop Posts: 337member
    Maybe people would be more open to allowing law enforcement to access data if the Government proved themselves trustworthy. After 9/11 the unconstitutional Patriot Act allowed Government to spy on American citizens. The fact that we've had a massively funded Government apparatus that pointed its listening devices at us is enough to damage the trust Americans once had in homeland security. 

    The Drug War and the War On Terrorism are both fake wars with no clear definition of what a victory entails, but ensures that we're constantly passing laws that limit our freedoms. That's why the Government is all too happy to wage these "wars". They are part a systematic attempt to undermine the free world. I'd rather keep my freedom and risk terror attacks than lose it and prevent a few terrorist attacks.
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  • Reply 35 of 35
    I know this may sound a bit racist, but Asian societies are based less on individualism, and more on the concept of the greater good. Of course this is just a cynical excuse for maintaining people with a herd-mentality (I live in Bali, Indonesia, and I see this in action every day). These societies foster the concept of feudalism still, with rich criminals able to become the establishment (I call Indonesia a mafiocracy). So our Mr Chen tries to talk of the greater good, completely unaware, or oblivious to, or uncaring of, a different mindset in the developed world. Besides, as mentioned elsewhere in replies, he is hypocritical and arbitrary about the company he keeps with fascist regimes who demand access to information about citizens. He may not have to worry for much longer, though. Even in Indonesia, one of the last bastions of Blackberry-dom, sales are dropping. El-cheapo and more upmarket 'smartphones' are now sexier for many than RIM, what with the BBM apps. And we have seen the way that governments can snoop electronically on their citizens with Stingray-type equipment. And once there is a backdoor, it will be exploited. 'Pre-emptively for the greater good', or by those seeking to retro-actively record data and conversations for future reference, and not long after ,by hackers, thieves and criminals. No thanks.
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