I have this setup, and I've never had it turn on by itself.
I have, however, had to start putting the remote for the thing by itself, because when it sits with other remotes, and barely gets jostled, it'll kick on and turn on. But that's not "by itself" - it's too sensitive a controller.
Sadly there are some instances where Apple is lacking in simplicity and UX. Mostly on the services side of the house. That's one thing I love about the Apple Pencil, how dead simple it is. Stick it in the lightening port once and it's paired and you never have to think about it. You just start using it. I want more Apple products like that.
It's almost definitely the HDMI-CEC and it's also going to be almond impossible to troubleshoot. Ever manufacturer is responsible for their own implementation of the HDMI-CEC standard. They can't even agree on what to call the feature. It is known by many names such as EasyLink, AquosLink, VieraLink, AnyNet+, CompuLink, SimpLink, RuncoLink, NetCommand and many more. There have also been many different versions of the specifictation released/defined over the years.
Its not unusual or surprising that some combinations of devices exhibit problems like this - what's surprising is that the technology EVER works!
If all you've got set up in your room is an ATV and a TV, I doubt you'd ever see a problem. But start adding other devices into the mix such as Receivers, Cable Boxes, Blue Ray players, game systems and other streaming boxes, it becomes more and nor likely that incompatibilities will exist and/or rogue HDMI-CEC signals will be sent by some of the devices or the correct signal will be sent but to the wrong device!
If you are experiencing the problem and it is annoying you too much to just live with, you should do as others have suggested and disable HDMI-CEC by all its names on all of your devices - or you could spend hours troubleshooting your set up to see if you can determine which device or scenario is responsible for the conflicts in your set up but it is unlikely that anyone else will be able to help you by sharing their findings because of the millions of different possible combinations of devices. A good starting point might be to back out (disconnect) everything except your Apple TV and your TV and see if the problem still exists. If it doesn't, start adding in additional devices one at a time until the problem re-manifests itself. When it does - you'll know that the last component you connected is the one that triggers the behaviour. But even that won't necessarily be definitive. That device on its own - may actually work properly and only causes a problem when hooked up in conjunction with a specific combination of other devices.
In any case - I very much doubt that any class action law suit will be approved since it will be almost impossible to nail down a specific class that all have the same combination of devices that exhibit the same negative behaviour. It will also be very difficult to prove that the fault is caused by the AppleTV4.
The best solution is to disable the horribly unreliable, unpredictable HDMI-CEC on all your devices and get a remote with macro capability to control multiple devices. The ATV4 thankfully still supports IR for everything but the new Home button, and the stupid supplied remote is too small, thin, and twitchy with its touchpad to be the primary controller anyway.
I would be watching tv, not using Apple tv, using my TiVo for example and my HDTV would just randomly power off. I use a harmony remote normally. I thought maybe my tv was dying. It was fine for a hour maybe and then just go off. Then I would have to turn it back on.
I finally went into the Apple TV settings and turned off the cec thing I really don't need anyway and it seems to have cured the issue.
The best solution is to disable the horribly unreliable, unpredictable HDMI-CEC on all your devices and get a remote with macro capability to control multiple devices. The ATV4 thankfully still supports IR for everything but the new Home button, and the stupid supplied remote is too small, thin, and twitchy with its touchpad to be the primary controller anyway.
I would be watching tv, not using Apple tv, using my TiVo for example and my HDTV would just randomly power off. I use a harmony remote normally. I thought maybe my tv was dying. It was fine for a hour maybe and then just go off. Then I would have to turn it back on.
I finally went into the Apple TV settings and turned off the cec thing I really don't need anyway and it seems to have cured the issue.
One way that could happen is if you were using a different remote (not the one that came with your TV). I have a 70" Sharp and it will automatically turn itself off within a few minutes if the connected device stops sending a signal (no signal auto off) and it will also turn itself off after x minutes of no button pushes on the remote (no activity auto-off). My TV displays a warning in the bottom left every minute for the last 3-5 minutes before it powers off. So if I am watching and spot the message, I grab the TV remote and hit the volume up key once. This is enough to reset the no-activity timer. Not sure if this is what happened with your TV - but it definitely would be one way to explain the results you saw...
Had this occur with my Samsung LCD TVs - found they required a firmware update - not the easiest task to perform but once updated no unexpected behaviour from Apple TV or Tv itself.
Another first world problem to deal with. How will we ever cope?
I really get tired of reading this statement, almost as much as I get tired of reading "but but but ...", and "Steve Jobs would have never ...".
i get tired of reading the hater and FUD comments trying to spin a negative narrative on every aspect of apple and it's moustache-twirling ways...but theres not much to be done about it. some posts you just gotta ignore.
i think the interesting point is that other companies have similar and often much graver product shortcomings, but they are rarely given the same scrutiny as our local boy-done-good.
In any case - I very much doubt that any class action law suit will be approved since it will be almost impossible to nail down a specific class that all have the same combination of devices that exhibit the same negative behaviour. It will also be very difficult to prove that the fault is caused by the AppleTV4.
Yep I can confirm this has happened to me a few times. Definitely annoying.
Don't know why people are voting you down. This isn't MacRumours or /r/apple
the downvotes seem very...whimsical. often given to entirely neutral statements nobody could take issue with.
and then theres me -- somebody actually went to the trouble of running a bot over 500 posts from my history going back to September and downvoting every single one of them. i alerted AI to the abuse of the system but no idea if they did anything.
The best solution is to disable the horribly unreliable, unpredictable HDMI-CEC on all your devices and get a remote with macro capability to control multiple devices. The ATV4 thankfully still supports IR for everything but the new Home button, and the stupid supplied remote is too small, thin, and twitchy with its touchpad to be the primary controller anyway.
I don't have an Apple TV, but HDMI-CEC between my Blu-ray player, receiver and TV, all of different brands, works quite well. I would say it's those complex programmable remotes that are unreliable and unpredictable. The proof of that are the sites with thousands of postings from people who can't get the remotes to do what they want. Having said that, if I also wanted the remote to open/close the curtains and dim the lights, that would be the only option.
Turn on the TV and the receiver turns on and switches to TV. Change the input on the receiver and it changes to match on the TV. Change the input via the TV and it changes the receiver input. If it's late at night and I don't want sound from the receiver, after the receiver turns on, I switch it off and it properly does not shut off the TV, but the TV returns to its own sound. Unfortunately, my cable box doesn't support HDMI-CEC so that still needs to be turned on and off separately, but the cable box remote can also turn on the TV and that, in turn, will turn on the receiver, so all is good.
The only time it doesn't work perfectly is if I manually shut off the receiver at the receiver itself and it wasn't on the TV input. In that case, the next time I turn on the TV, it will still turn on the receiver, but it won't necessarily auto change it to the correct input unless I cycle the input selection on the TV. Also, if the TV is off and I manually turn the receiver on at the receiver and then turn on the TV, it will toggle the receiver and shut it off. I suspect this is because HDMI-CEC toggles power and doesn't really "know" the current state.
Now I understand why CEC is so much better than having 3 or 4 remotes on your table. Clearly eliminates complexity and confusion. /s
Another first world problem to deal with. How will we ever cope?
Here's the problem with your observation --
Apple is a first world company, selling first world products, for first world profits. It's not about putting up with a minor inconvenience while dealing with second or third world problems, its about living up to a first world standard. If you're going to sell a first world product, then it had better pass first world muster. There's no excuse otherwise.
This defense my parents used about how hard it was when they were kids, and we should just be grateful with what we have today doesn't really cut it, and frankly never did.
I really get tired of reading this statement, almost as much as I get tired of reading "but but but ...", and "Steve Jobs would have never ...".
I would argue that each of your 3 points are separate/distinct.
Agree with your first point. If this is an Apple problem, then it should be resolved with effort similar in magnitude to the problem.
Don't agree with you on the the second point. As a start, this point is not even relevant...but for the sake of conversation I would say that you SHOULD be grateful. It doesn't mean you can't strive for better. I'd listen to your parents more.
And the third is not relevant in context at all. Further, the "Steve Jobs would have never..." phrase isn't used in modern days, other than sarcasm.
...and the journalist prostitutes of wall street continue feverishly to dream up pure nonsense to pile on to the gargantuan stack of rubbish news coverage on Apple.
Please check your Samsung TV if that happens...
It never ever happened for me, but interestingly, this problem suddenly appeared to 9 out of 10 people in this forum.... you wonder...
The best solution is to disable the horribly unreliable, unpredictable HDMI-CEC on all your devices and get a remote with macro capability to control multiple devices. The ATV4 thankfully still supports IR for everything but the new Home button, and the stupid supplied remote is too small, thin, and twitchy with its touchpad to be the primary controller anyway.
I would be watching tv, not using Apple tv, using my TiVo for example and my HDTV would just randomly power off. I use a harmony remote normally. I thought maybe my tv was dying. It was fine for a hour maybe and then just go off. Then I would have to turn it back on.
I finally went into the Apple TV settings and turned off the cec thing I really don't need anyway and it seems to have cured the issue.
Same here. The implementation/functionalities of HDMI-CEC in different TV acts differently so for now best to turn-off HDMI-CEC. Not sure about others but I turned-off on TV itself and now all good.
The best solution is to disable the horribly unreliable, unpredictable HDMI-CEC on all your devices and get a remote with macro capability to control multiple devices. The ATV4 thankfully still supports IR for everything but the new Home button, and the stupid supplied remote is too small, thin, and twitchy with its touchpad to be the primary controller anyway.
I totally agree except I generally use the Siri remote while watching ATV. I like the 10 second skip forward/backward functions and the scrub through the timeline which I can't reproduce with my Harmony remote. I like the Siri search though I wish it was better at searching my personal movie library. It will find one of those movies only if it is visible on screen at the time. Weird.
The best solution is to disable the horribly unreliable, unpredictable HDMI-CEC on all your devices and get a remote with macro capability to control multiple devices. The ATV4 thankfully still supports IR for everything but the new Home button, and the stupid supplied remote is too small, thin, and twitchy with its touchpad to be the primary controller anyway.
I totally agree except I generally use the Siri remote while watching ATV. I like the 10 second skip forward/backward functions and the scrub through the timeline which I can't reproduce with my Harmony remote. I like the Siri search though I wish it was better at searching my personal movie library. It will find one of those movies only if it is visible on screen at the time. Weird.
I have some good news for you on the 10 second skips. You can add them to your remote by going to Settings/Remotes and Devices/Learn Remote and following the steps to teach the ATV your remote. Your remote will have to be outputting IR codes on all the buttons you want to map, so your best bet may be to forget about using Logitech's ATV device and set up a device you don't have that defines all the buttons (e.g. a DVD player or something) and teach it to the ATV4. It worked fine for my Sony RM-VL610.
I was also able to take advantage of my remote's undocumented "micro macros" to teach my remote's subtitles button the triple-click Menu button sequence from my ATV 2 remote, so I can turn on Closed Captions with a single button press like a normal remote, instead of the clunky, silly, Apple triple-click method. Unfortunately, it doesn't work in Netflix, but that's a Netflix problem.
Haven't has this problem yet. My only Apple problem is the regular static sound during bluetooth phone calls using my iPhone 6s in my Audi. Anyone else having a similar issue?
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I have, however, had to start putting the remote for the thing by itself, because when it sits with other remotes, and barely gets jostled, it'll kick on and turn on. But that's not "by itself" - it's too sensitive a controller.
Its not unusual or surprising that some combinations of devices exhibit problems like this - what's surprising is that the technology EVER works!
If all you've got set up in your room is an ATV and a TV, I doubt you'd ever see a problem. But start adding other devices into the mix such as Receivers, Cable Boxes, Blue Ray players, game systems and other streaming boxes, it becomes more and nor likely that incompatibilities will exist and/or rogue HDMI-CEC signals will be sent by some of the devices or the correct signal will be sent but to the wrong device!
If you are experiencing the problem and it is annoying you too much to just live with, you should do as others have suggested and disable HDMI-CEC by all its names on all of your devices - or you could spend hours troubleshooting your set up to see if you can determine which device or scenario is responsible for the conflicts in your set up but it is unlikely that anyone else will be able to help you by sharing their findings because of the millions of different possible combinations of devices. A good starting point might be to back out (disconnect) everything except your Apple TV and your TV and see if the problem still exists. If it doesn't, start adding in additional devices one at a time until the problem re-manifests itself. When it does - you'll know that the last component you connected is the one that triggers the behaviour. But even that won't necessarily be definitive. That device on its own - may actually work properly and only causes a problem when hooked up in conjunction with a specific combination of other devices.
In any case - I very much doubt that any class action law suit will be approved since it will be almost impossible to nail down a specific class that all have the same combination of devices that exhibit the same negative behaviour. It will also be very difficult to prove that the fault is caused by the AppleTV4.
I finally went into the Apple TV settings and turned off the cec thing I really don't need anyway and it seems to have cured the issue.
i think the interesting point is that other companies have similar and often much graver product shortcomings, but they are rarely given the same scrutiny as our local boy-done-good.
and then theres me -- somebody actually went to the trouble of running a bot over 500 posts from my history going back to September and downvoting every single one of them. i alerted AI to the abuse of the system but no idea if they did anything.
Agree with your first point. If this is an Apple problem, then it should be resolved with effort similar in magnitude to the problem.
Don't agree with you on the the second point. As a start, this point is not even relevant...but for the sake of conversation I would say that you SHOULD be grateful. It doesn't mean you can't strive for better. I'd listen to your parents more.
And the third is not relevant in context at all. Further, the "Steve Jobs would have never..." phrase isn't used in modern days, other than sarcasm.
I wouldn’t be opposed, either. I spent time finding high quality artwork for my stuff; what good is it if I can’t see it?
On that note, LET US RESIZE OUR ARTWORK IN ITUNES AGAIN, APPLE. WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE THE PROBLEM?!
I was also able to take advantage of my remote's undocumented "micro macros" to teach my remote's subtitles button the triple-click Menu button sequence from my ATV 2 remote, so I can turn on Closed Captions with a single button press like a normal remote, instead of the clunky, silly, Apple triple-click method. Unfortunately, it doesn't work in Netflix, but that's a Netflix problem.