Not even sure why Mikey Campbell even writes for this site, he always writes about Apple with a negative slant.
Apple did not hand over user data to Google. Google paid Apple a share of the revenue made form being the default search engine for Safari and the iOS search bar (for web content).
Apple uses its own search engine for ALL local searching called, Spotlight, and always has.
The truth is Google is best in search by a big margin. Apple has to make Google the default search engine. Well, in that case it might as well just take some money from Google as well. People would call for Tim's head to roll if Google is not the default search engine.
Then explain why Google is paying Apple. If Tim Cook’s head would roll if Google wasn’t the default search engine then Google would know this, right? If Google is so omnipotent then they should have laughed when Apple asked for money knowing Apple had no choice as you imply. Your theory contradicts itself with the statement “Well, in that case it (Apple) might as well take some money for Google...”
Related Topic Google stole yet again ... case closed! : Regarding the Oracle vs Google story not covered on AI yet, the likely $1B fine Google will be hit with seems ludicrous. I want to know why it isn’t $31 not $1b … Google earned that from theft, why should they keep any proceeds? Do burglars get to keep stuff they half inch?
Wrong! Apple took a cut of advertising revenues - not tracking revenues. They don't force users to use Google. They provide it as an option - because they have to. They made it the default option for 34% of ad revenue. They continue to be vocal about how they (Apple) are not in the business of harvesting user data and how they disagree with the practice. Everything is above board and how it should be. Shareholders would revolt if Apple turned down a billion dollars in revenue for the reasons you're suggesting they should have. They absolutely should continue to "bash their bedmates" as you phrased it. They would be guilty of everything you claim *IF* they took the money and STOPPED bashing Google. They have sacrificed nothing and managed to add a billion dollars in revenue to their bottom line for doing something they had to do anyhow! (there is no way they could omit google from the available search engines!). Bravo Tim!
I think the concern here is that Apple is willfully profiting from a service which violates their stated stance on privacy. Many of us would call that hypocrisy.
And equally 'many' of us would consider that view stupid and poorly thought-out.
Google vs Oracle: News update... Oracle win! I want to know why the likely fine isn’t $31 not $1b … Google earned that from theft, why should they keep any proceeds? Do burglars get to keep stuff they half inch?
Google vs Oracle: News update... Oracle win! I want to know why the likely fine isn’t $31 not $1b … Google earned that from theft, why should they keep any proceeds? Do burglars get to keep stuff they half inch?
Probably because the "stolen" part was such a teeny bit of the overall Android code. Put another way it's the same reason Apple hasn't had to pay up their entire iPhone profits when found to have "stolen" some small piece of IP that went into it.
Anyway, aren't you getting ahead of yourself? I hadn't read anyone "won" yet. Did I miss something? (I think this is where you say "oops!)
Google is not the best search engine for my needs. It used to be, but Bing has become better in many ways. Duck duck go is the engine I use, but it returns results similarly to Google.
When I put the name of a professional into a search engine. Google and DDG return the results of a bunch of rating firms. While Bing does similarly, they have a spot on the front page that lists the person, address and phone number such that I am not forced into clicking on a site. That single feature alone makes Bing far more valuable as a search engine to me than Google.
The billion that Google pays Apple is a fraction of what they make off of iOS search. Apple would do well to drop Google for default search. I mistakenly used Google for search a year ago when at a desktop at work. I immediately changed the default engine to Bing and no one seems to care as it hasn't been changed back.
I am not buying google's superiority as a search engine. At this time, Apple no longer needs them. The loss of the billion to Apple is meaningless compared the multiple billions Google stands to lose
I think the concern here is that Apple is willfully profiting from a service which violates their stated stance on privacy. Many of us would call that hypocrisy.
And equally 'many' of us would consider that view stupid and poorly thought-out.
By taking the moral high ground by publicly stating:
"I'm speaking to you from Silicon Valley, where some of the most prominent and successful companies have built their businesses by lulling their customers into complacency about their personal information," Cook said. "They're gobbling up everything they can learn about you and trying to monetize it. We think that's wrong. And it's not the kind of company that Apple wants to be."
...then doing the exact opposite in practice by enabling and monetizing the very thing they say they don't want to be is a perfect example of hypocrisy.
And equally 'many' of us would consider that view stupid and poorly thought-out.
By taking the moral high ground by publicly stating: ...then doing the exact opposite in practice by enabling and monetizing the very thing they say they don't want to be is a perfect example of hypocrisy.
Dude. Give it a rest. That's not hypocrisy at all - let alone a perfect example of it. Apple is not at all involved in the collection of your personal information or the monetization of it. They provide a box that lets you submit your search query to the best, and most popular search engine in existence. If that same company is willing to pay you a billion dollars to make their search box the default - when you were already required to provide it - does not mean you believe in them or all of their practices. Using your yardstick - Apple should be taking steps to ensure that racists, thieves and homophobes are not able to purchase their phones because obviously Apples willingness to do business with these people means that they share all of their views. Sheesh. What an f***ed up way of thinking.
Dude. Give it a rest. That's not hypocrisy at all - let alone a perfect example of it. Apple is not at all involved in the collection of your personal information or the monetization of it. They provide a box that lets you submit your search query to the best, and most popular search engine in existence. If that same company is willing to pay you a billion dollars to make their search box the default - when you were already required to provide it - does not mean you believe in them or all of their practices. Using your yardstick - Apple should be taking steps to ensure that racists, thieves and homophobes are not able to purchase their phones because obviously Apples willingness to do business with these people means that they share all of their views. Sheesh. What an f***ed up way of thinking.
Keep telling yourself that as millions of iOS device users are feeding data to Google with Apple getting a 34% kickback on "search referrals".You have a f*cked up way of thinking if you believe that Apple is not involved and benefitting financially as data is fed to Google.
Keep telling yourself that as millions of iOS device users are feeding data to Google with Apple getting a 34% kickback on "search referrals".You have a f*cked up way of thinking if you believe that Apple is not involved and benefitting financially as data is fed to Google.
Oh they are definitely benefitting from doing business with Google. But Apple is not collecting your personal information and selling it to google. They were always going to provide and option to let users search via Google. The 34% kickback is for making them the default. At the same time, they stand strong with their commitment to not capture and store user data for the purpose of selling it to others - AND they continue to be vocal in their disdain for the practice. Apple in this case is just a conduit between you and Google. You are giving Google the right to monetize your information by using them to handle your searches! Apple gives you the ability to change your default search engine. You might have a point if they locked users in to Google as the only option for searching from your iPhone - but they don't! And they don't give Google your name, phone number or any personal information - they just send the data that YOU type in to the search box - and possibly the normal browser identification information that every website receives when you visit it. Apple isn't in any way linked to harvesting user data just because they do business with Google. The suggestion is complete nonsense. I suppose people also think that Apple condones the theft of their designs and intellectual property simply because they continue to do business with Samsung? It's actually commendable that Apple continues to speak out against the practice and bring awareness to users who may not be completely aware of how much personal data Google and other companies collect and monetize. Bravo Apple! Well done! Kudos!
Keep telling yourself that as millions of iOS device users are feeding data to Google with Apple getting a 34% kickback on "search referrals".You have a f*cked up way of thinking if you believe that Apple is not involved and benefitting financially as data is fed to Google.
Oh they are definitely benefitting from doing business with Google. But Apple is not collecting your personal information and selling it to google. They were always going to provide and option to let users search via Google. The 34% kickback is for making them the default. At the same time, they stand strong with their commitment to not capture and store user data for the purpose of selling it to others - AND they continue to be vocal in their disdain for the practice. Apple in this case is just a conduit between you and Google. You are giving Google the right to monetize your information by using them to handle your searches! Apple gives you the ability to change your default search engine. You might have a point if they locked users in to Google as the only option for searching from your iPhone - but they don't! And they don't give Google your name, phone number or any personal information - they just send the data that YOU type in to the search box - and possibly the normal browser identification information that every website receives when you visit it. Apple isn't in any way linked to harvesting user data just because they do business with Google. The suggestion is complete nonsense. I suppose people also think that Apple condones the theft of their designs and intellectual property simply because they continue to do business with Samsung? It's actually commendable that Apple continues to speak out against the practice and bring awareness to users who may not be completely aware of how much personal data Google and other companies collect and monetize. Bravo Apple! Well done! Kudos!
You're talking about turning a blind eye to a business partner's behavior, but I'm talking about Apple's own behavior. Very different things. Apple is being a pimp, Google is the hooker, and customers are getting screwed. Hmm. Maybe that IS a good thing, except for the whole STD thing.
What Google does is not illegal. It's a business practice that Apple doesn't agree with. I am reasonably certain that there isn't another company on the planet that has values that are in perfect alignment with Apples own values. It's ridiculous and naive to presume that a company - any company - could survive and flourish - if they refuses to do business with any companies that have conflicting values - especially when that company doesn't actually break any laws. And the fact that Apple does business with Google does not mean that Apple supports, endorses or approves of the way that company makes their money. If you think that it's hypocritical, that's your prerogative - but reasonable people of average intellect or higher will see it for what it really is...and that is: a very good business decision.
What Google does is not illegal. It's a business practice that Apple doesn't agree with. I am reasonably certain that there isn't another company on the planet that has values that are in perfect alignment with Apples own values. It's ridiculous and naive to presume that a company - any company - could survive and flourish - if they refuses to do business with any companies that have conflicting values - especially when that company doesn't actually break any laws. And the fact that Apple does business with Google does not mean that Apple supports, endorses or approves of the way that company makes their money. If you think that it's hypocritical, that's your prerogative - but reasonable people of average intellect or higher will see it for what it really is...and that is: a very good business decision.
Once again - YOU MISS THE POINT. This isn't about legal or illegal. It's about about publicly stating that "We think that's wrong. And it's not the kind of company that Apple wants to be" and yet what they actually DO makes them that kind of company. It's not like they are doing something like letting Google run Chrome on your iPhone (that's a *choice* you can make for yourself). They are actually preconfiguring your iPhone to share your data with Google (you did not choose this, but you can change it). If you can't see that, then there is no hope for your brain.
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Apple did not hand over user data to Google. Google paid Apple a share of the revenue made form being the default search engine for Safari and the iOS search bar (for web content).
Apple uses its own search engine for ALL local searching called, Spotlight, and always has.
Anyway, aren't you getting ahead of yourself? I hadn't read anyone "won" yet. Did I miss something? (I think this is where you say "oops!)
When I put the name of a professional into a search engine. Google and DDG return the results of a bunch of rating firms. While Bing does similarly, they have a spot on the front page that lists the person, address and phone number such that I am not forced into clicking on a site. That single feature alone makes Bing far more valuable as a search engine to me than Google.
The billion that Google pays Apple is a fraction of what they make off of iOS search. Apple would do well to drop Google for default search. I mistakenly used Google for search a year ago when at a desktop at work. I immediately changed the default engine to Bing and no one seems to care as it hasn't been changed back.
I am not buying google's superiority as a search engine. At this time, Apple no longer needs them. The loss of the billion to Apple is meaningless compared the multiple billions Google stands to lose
...then doing the exact opposite in practice by enabling and monetizing the very thing they say they don't want to be is a perfect example of hypocrisy.