You know the founding Father of this country was consider terrorist by the British government because they were not willing to stand in the line and shot at each other, our founding fathers hid behind trees in the woods and shot the British. Plus we disagreed with British government ideology, No saying this is the same thing, but it more than a definition.
This is just not an apt comparison. The US Founding Fathers were not trying to take away anyone's freedoms, but rather the opposite. It is still unclear to me what radical Islam (which is what the SB incident was, clearly) is trying to achieve, other than to sow fear and terror among other religions and cultures.
You know the founding Father of this country was consider terrorist by the British government because they were not willing to stand in the line and shot at each other, our founding fathers hid behind trees in the woods and shot the British. Plus we disagreed with British government ideology, No saying this is the same thing, but it more than a definition.
This is just not an apt comparison. The US Founding Fathers were not trying to take away anyone's freedoms, but rather the opposite. It is still unclear to me what radical Islam (which is what the SB incident was, clearly) is trying to achieve, other than to sow fear and terror among other religions and cultures.
I would note that almost all of the casualties of ISIS and ISIL are moderate or secular Muslim's that practice a much less radicalized / less fundamentalist version of Islam.
I would note that almost all of the casualties of ISIS and ISIL are moderate or secular Muslim's that practice a much less radicalized / less fundamentalist version of Islam.
There is no radical Islam. There is only Islam. They were killed because they were apostates.
That's a bit of a stretch to argue that this was not terrorism. It seems well established that they were radicalized (I dislike that term) in the Middle East, then came back here and committed mass murder against a target of convenience. I haven't seen any alternative motive proposed than supporting the ISIS struggle against the US.
MASS MURDER. that phrase is thrown around so lightly now. 14 ppl dead is not mass!! when we dropped the nukes that was MASS MURDER. 14 is not a massive amount of ppl.
The FBI defines mass murder as murdering four or more persons during an event with no "cooling-off period" between the murders. A mass murder typically occurs in a single location where one or more people kill several others. In some states it's three or more people...
This is just not an apt comparison. The US Founding Fathers were not trying to take away anyone's freedoms, but rather the opposite. It is still unclear to me what radical Islam (which is what the SB incident was, clearly) is trying to achieve, other than to sow fear and terror among other religions and cultures.
I would note that almost all of the casualties of ISIS and ISIL are moderate or secular Muslim's that practice a much less radicalized / less fundamentalist version of Islam.
I probably should not have responded to the substance of the prior post -- and I will not to this one -- in deference to Ms. Adams and her brave position.
There is no point in this thread getting hijacked.
I would note that almost all of the casualties of ISIS and ISIL are moderate or secular Muslim's that practice a much less radicalized / less fundamentalist version of Islam.
There is no radical Islam. There is only Islam. They were killed because they were apostates.
Deuteronomy 17: 2-5 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD
thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the
sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant, And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them,
either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not
commanded; And it be told thee,
and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true,
and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel: Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which
have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that
woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
Plenty of calls in christianity and judaism for killing as well. It comes down to interpretations.
Westboro Baptist CHurch are christians. They are following God's law as they see it spelled out in the bible. Are they representative of all christians or are they radical?
That's a bit of a stretch to argue that this was not terrorism. It seems well established that they were radicalized (I dislike that term) in the Middle East, then came back here and committed mass murder against a target of convenience. I haven't seen any alternative motive proposed than supporting the ISIS struggle against the US.
it's not a stretch. it looks like another work-place shooting -- the victims were people the suspect knew and evidently had a beef with. that isnt how we normally define terrorism.
I agree that it could be said to look like that if one ignores the Middle East connection, and the statements of support for ISIS. But that surely tips it over to an act in direct support of ISIS and intended to attack the US in general. Doesn't that count as terrorism? It doesn't have to be an official, ISIS-organized/sanctioned operation does it?
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And, I am so deeply sorry for her tragic, irreplaceable loss.
This is just not an apt comparison. The US Founding Fathers were not trying to take away anyone's freedoms, but rather the opposite. It is still unclear to me what radical Islam (which is what the SB incident was, clearly) is trying to achieve, other than to sow fear and terror among other religions and cultures.
In some states it's three or more people...
There is no point in this thread getting hijacked.
Deuteronomy 17: 2-5
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant, And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel: Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
Plenty of calls in christianity and judaism for killing as well. It comes down to interpretations.
Westboro Baptist CHurch are christians. They are following God's law as they see it spelled out in the bible. Are they representative of all christians or are they radical?
Old covenant vs. new covenant. You’re quoting Jewish law, not Christian. Killing is only allowed in defense of yourself, family, or religion.