Government says Apple arguments in encryption case a 'diversion,' presents point-by-point rebuttal

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  • Reply 121 of 122
    Dave S said:
    Urei1620 said:
    @ Dave S, how much did your employer pay you to post that brilliant analysis?


    I employ myself.  I don't post often and I initially suspected the FBI was likely overreaching.  I deal with them routinely in my work and I was employed with the government for a time.  It is not uncommon, in my experience, that they can be cripplingly powerful.  It can be scary if they are on your tail and many folks subject to this type of "investigation" are not clear criminals.  Rather, they operate in the financial gray area because to do so can be very lucrative.  Or, they aren't aware they are breaking a law and just can't understand why the gov't can literally shut off their life overnight (freeze accounts, arrest you and request denial of bail, seize you and your family's assets, etc...)  Again, judges need to be careful and most realize the tremendous burden they carry.

    That said, I believe it is the result of judges being too friendly about finding cause to issue warrants.  Regardless, in this instance, there is no doubt the man is a killer and that the phone may contain relevant info that could prevent harm of other innocent people.  I have no clue how this can be reasonably opposed.  Leads me to wonder just how much I don't know.  Ignorance is bliss, no doubt, and I know the guys at Apple are probably doing this in good faith.  All I can say is that, from a legal perspective, they lose.  So, if Apple is right, it must be because I am ignorant with respect to some material fact that, the existence which, would swing the pendulum.

    Upon reading your response I wondered if Apple has been ordered to not reveal all the information it knows about this iPhone. Not one time in this case have the FBI and DOJ told the truth. They started with a lie and are perpetuating the lie. If Apple's hands are tied from revealing the truth, they can keep on lying. 

    I have the feeling the California Magistrate will rule against Apple even though she knows she has been lied to. The world knows the lies. The world is watching.
    baconstang
  • Reply 122 of 122
    JeffA2JeffA2 Posts: 82member
    Dave S said:


    I employ myself.  I don't post often and I initially suspected the FBI was likely overreaching.  I deal with them routinely in my work and I was employed with the government for a time.  It is not uncommon, in my experience, that they can be cripplingly powerful.  It can be scary if they are on your tail and many folks subject to this type of "investigation" are not clear criminals.  Rather, they operate in the financial gray area because to do so can be very lucrative.  Or, they aren't aware they are breaking a law and just can't understand why the gov't can literally shut off their life overnight (freeze accounts, arrest you and request denial of bail, seize you and your family's assets, etc...)  Again, judges need to be careful and most realize the tremendous burden they carry.

    That said, I believe it is the result of judges being too friendly about finding cause to issue warrants.  Regardless, in this instance, there is no doubt the man is a killer and that the phone may contain relevant info that could prevent harm of other innocent people.  I have no clue how this can be reasonably opposed.  Leads me to wonder just how much I don't know.  Ignorance is bliss, no doubt, and I know the guys at Apple are probably doing this in good faith.  All I can say is that, from a legal perspective, they lose.  So, if Apple is right, it must be because I am ignorant with respect to some material fact that, the existence which, would swing the pendulum.

    Upon reading your response I wondered if Apple has been ordered to not reveal all the information it knows about this iPhone. Not one time in this case have the FBI and DOJ told the truth. They started with a lie and are perpetuating the lie. If Apple's hands are tied from revealing the truth, they can keep on lying. 

    I have the feeling the California Magistrate will rule against Apple even though she knows she has been lied to. The world knows the lies. The world is watching.
    What 'lies' exactly are we talking about?
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