"...the politics of this will swing and it will become sloppy and rushed," Obama said. "And it will go through Congress in ways that have not been thought through.."
Got it. In other words and like a bad cop movie.. 'we can do it the easy way. Or we can do it the hard way...'
Obama's a friggin' lawyer. He knows the impact of legal precedents.
If the government doesn't like the existing laws (or lack thereof), it has only itself to blame, just like the government has only itself to blame for letting Malik into the U.S. after she made pro-ISIS postings on Facebook. And failings of our Immigration and Naturalization Service ultimately fall on Obama.
Just means he passed a bar exam. I don't believe he ever practiced law!
There is the simple fact that if you break OS encryption for smartphones, bad actors can simply install any of the easily available 3rd party encryption systems and the FBI is back to the same old problem. Meanwhile, we have broken privacy and transactional security for hundreds of millions of law-abiding smartphone owners with nothing to show for it.
Obama's a friggin' lawyer. He knows the impact of legal precedents.
If the government doesn't like the existing laws (or lack thereof), it has only itself to blame, just like the government has only itself to blame for letting Malik into the U.S. after she made pro-ISIS postings on Facebook. And failings of our Immigration and Naturalization Service ultimately fall on Obama.
Just means he passed a bar exam. I don't believe he ever practiced law!
The AG of the US has "practiced law" and I believe she's the one pushing Obama on this, so what the hell difference does it make.
The "argument" they're making is an appeal to emotion, false dichotomies, non sequitur, straw men, essentially rhetorical spin, not really a legal one anyone.,
"...the politics of this will swing and it will become sloppy and rushed," Obama said. "And it will go through Congress in ways that have not been thought through.."
Got it. In other words and like a bad cop movie.. 'we can do it the easy way. Or we can do it the hard way...'
Sort of reminds me of obamacare!
Right... That didn't go through all the proper channel 10 times over and got voted on essentially twice, no sir. Gimme a fucking break.
Right... That didn't go through all the proper channel 10 times over and got voted on essentially twice, no sir. Gimme a fucking break.
Went through and got passed once using reconciliation without any republican input and survived a supreme court ruling with the help of Justice Roberts telling the administration that the fee must be called a tax or the IRS could not be used as a means of collection. Sorry no fucking breaks to be given this day!
Just means he passed a bar exam. I don't believe he ever practiced law!
The AG of the US has "practiced law" and I believe she's the one pushing Obama on this, so what the hell difference does it make.
The "argument" they're making is an appeal to emotion, false dichotomies, non sequitur, straw men, essentially rhetorical spin, not really a legal one anyone.,
Don't recall even mentioning the AG. Responded to another comment!
The government has been collecting phone metadata and emails of law abiding Americans since 2001, completely disregarding the 4th amendment and contrary to the oath of office to "defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic." The domestic enemy is the US Government. The answer is the development and wide adoption of open source encrypted and deanonymizing communication tools for all communication, casual and professional. We just need to do a better job making these tools user friendly, fun and intuitive.
Obama really needs to just end his term already and go home! Of course he has never been a defender of liberty and property rights and privacy and security. The surveillance state is here folks, time to go back to pen and paper and in-person conversations. We all know we cannot trust the government, look what Britain did to the 13 colonies, need I say more?!
What a coward. On some issues, you just have to take a stand, and not be a slimy politician.
He did take a stand. Read the whole thing. Basically, if encryption is upheld then some major catastrophe will be staged and it will be forced through the courts.
Quote from the article: "What you'll find is that after something really bad happens the politics of this will swing and it will become sloppy and rushed," Obama said. "And it will go through Congress in ways that have not been thought through. And then you really will have a danger to our civil liberties because the disengaged or taken a position that is not sustainable."
He's basically saying, play along or we'll stage something super horrible to really drum up the unthinking publics support and push through something worse. They know how to play that game and the general population eat it up. Pretty much anytime the word "terrorist" is used it's to push an agenda. Americas version of the boogie man.
Sadly Obama is not clueless. He knows the kind of war we are fighting and he is the one pulling the strings. This is a war between a corrupt administration and the people it is supposed to serve and keep safe. The Constitution warned us of oppressive governments like this one. We can't even have good, uncompromised encryption to keep our private data secure without having the government feeling like it is entitled to your data. We just need bold companies like Apple that do not take BS to push back. I do want to see how far the government is willing to go with their dirty tactics to get their way with Apple. It is very revealing how dishonest, crafty and nasty the US Govt can be.
Sadly Obama is not clueless. He knows the kind of war we are fighting and he is the one making calls behind the scene. This is a war between a corrupt administration and the people it is supposed to serve and keep safe. The Constitution warned us of oppressive governments like this one. We can't even have good, uncompromised encryption to keep our private data secure without having the government feeling like it is entitled to your data. We just need bold companies like Apple that do not take BS to push back. I do want to see how far the government is willing to go with their dirty tactics to get their way with Apple. It is very revealing how dishonest, crafty and nasty the US Govt can be.
...and people need to take their security into their own hands. Assume that lawmakers will ALWAYS make the wrong decision and act accordingly.
Just means he passed a bar exam. I don't believe he ever practiced law!
The AG of the US has "practiced law" and I believe she's the one pushing Obama on this, so what the hell difference does it make.
The "argument" they're making is an appeal to emotion, false dichotomies, non sequitur, straw men, essentially rhetorical spin, not really a legal one anyone.,
She's got nothing to lose. At worst she'll look like she's working hard at her job in the eyes of her peers. She doesn't care what we think, nor does her job performance depend on our opinions no matter how right we are.
Hmmm, the President doesn't mind taking an "absolutist position" when the "science is settled." Well, the mathematics regarding this issue is settled, as is pretty much the Fourth Amendment. So no, I think an absolutist position is perfectly rational here.
The government has proved that they can't be trusted not to abuse their access or power. Apple is "absolutely" right to fight the government's order to create a backdoor—and that's exactly what they're asking for, despite their claim to the contrary.
Normally I agree with Obama on most things, but this is one issue on which he is absolutely wrong. There is no "middle ground" in this fight. Either phones are encrypted, and customers are secure, or phones are "backdoored", and customers are not secure.
The post-9/11 government has overreached and violated people's personal freedoms too many times to be trusted to access "just this phone, just this one time. And in an age where more of our personal lives exist in digital form, encryption is all that much more important.
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Just means he passed a bar exam. I don't believe he ever practiced law!
Exactly!
The "argument" they're making is an appeal to emotion, false dichotomies, non sequitur, straw men, essentially rhetorical spin, not really a legal one anyone.,
Don't recall even mentioning the AG. Responded to another comment!
They’re fundamentally wrong in this case, by the way.
Oh, and they just said it was "no problem" to gain access to a Samsung phone that was found in a trash can discarded by Paris shooters.
There you go. Samsung is the preferred phone of law enforcement and hackers...but of course they'd never use one for their own security!
Civil liberties, privacy and the right to be secure in our possessions is the new Sasquatch in America.
Quote from the article:
"What you'll find is that after something really bad happens the politics of this will swing and it will become sloppy and rushed," Obama said. "And it will go through Congress in ways that have not been thought through. And then you really will have a danger to our civil liberties because the disengaged or taken a position that is not sustainable."
He's basically saying, play along or we'll stage something super horrible to really drum up the unthinking publics support and push through something worse. They know how to play that game and the general population eat it up. Pretty much anytime the word "terrorist" is used it's to push an agenda. Americas version of the boogie man.
Seems no one really understands this deeply enough to talk about it intelligently.
Basically, if you take Obama's position of not being "absolutist" then you are taking the side of , OPEN IT UP.
LOL, there is no in-between.
Normally I agree with Obama on most things, but this is one issue on which he is absolutely wrong. There is no "middle ground" in this fight. Either phones are encrypted, and customers are secure, or phones are "backdoored", and customers are not secure.
The post-9/11 government has overreached and violated people's personal freedoms too many times to be trusted to access "just this phone, just this one time. And in an age where more of our personal lives exist in digital form, encryption is all that much more important.