Facing 'sluggish sales,' Apple said to continue reduced iPhone production through June quarter

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  • Reply 21 of 74
    Apple feeling the Android pinch.  First Apple made them bigger, then smaller, then plastic.  They don't know whether there coming or going. It's tough going up against a superior OS.  With Android market share still on the rise, and Google coming out on top as the most profitable company, its no doubt Apple is feeling the hurt.
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  • Reply 22 of 74
    cnocbui said:
    And SOG will be along in about 5 to discredit any such notion, citing all those supply chain rumours that were wrong about declining sales before Apple announced its results.  Whoops, those rumours were actually correct, looks like I accidentally made an error.

    Another load of crap from you-know-who.

    Declining sales from supply chains have been claimed with regularity for years now. And how many of those turned out to be true? Zero. Zilch. Nada.
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  • Reply 23 of 74
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    blastdoor said:
    It looks like the easy growth days are done. Apple needs to work a lot harder from here on out to achieve profit growth. It can no longer be about one or two products. 

    Apple has a lot of growth opportunities, but each one is small compared to what the iPhone was 5 years ago. They can't just pick one opportunity and shun the rest -- they now need to now pursue them all. 

    That means they need to stop letting products like the Mac Pro and Cinema display languish without updates. Those are just two examples, but the principle applies to the entire product lineup. For every product and service that Apple sells, they need to knuckle down and make those products and services the very best they can be. They need to bolster their position in existing markets, and then expand into adjacent markets. 

    In 2007 it was fine to put Leopard on hold to finish the iPhone. Today, nothing can be put on hold. Everything needs to be full speed ahead. 
    From a business perspective Apple has a lot of opportunities if they would just open their minds a bit. For one they need to trash MiFi as it impacts sales negatively. Just trashing MiFi would drive iPad sales.

    There is no doubt the Mac line up has been neglected even if you factor in Intels recent inability to execute. I'd really like to see them partner with AMD on a new Mini and possibly other machines just to light a fire under Intels ass. Skyline has all sorts of problems and there is no certainty when it will be reliable enough for Apple. The interesting thing with the Mac Pro is that AMD did announce their FirePro cards now support unto 32 GB of RAM. Apple needs to wake up with respect to the Mac Pro, it is a good design, I've actually have been a fan, but the configurations are all out of whack with reality.

    As for Cinema Display what can we say good about that. It is pretty clear that the sales rate was less than the Mac Pro probably considerably less. does it make sense for Apple to sell stuff at a loss? It is pretty clear from them offering third party monitors that they have more or less given up on Cinema display. However this also highlights an issue with Apples line up of Macs, they don't have a midrange desktop computer that might help drive monitor sales. What is even sadder is the Mac Pro could be that machine, they just need to offer a model with a single GPU slot configured and a desktop class processor. Get the price of a "desktop" Mac Pro down to around $1500 and there will be strong sales. Even $1500 is a bit stiff these days for a desktop works station but this is Apple we are talking about.
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  • Reply 24 of 74
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    Apple feeling the Android pinch.  First Apple made them bigger, then smaller, then plastic.  They don't know whether there coming or going. It's tough going up against a superior OS.  

    With Android market share still on the rise, and Google coming out on top as the most profitable company, its no doubt Apple is feeling the hurt.
    You blew any chance of not looking like a troll when you called Android a superior operating system.
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  • Reply 25 of 74
    red oak said:
    Apple stock price is tied to quarterly unit shipments.  That is why it is sitting with a PE of 11, vs. Microsoft which has 35+.   It is ridiculous 

    It's a failure of the senior management team not to have defined a better narrative

    Rayz2016 said:
    The newspaper also floated the possibility of Apple potentially launching its next-generation "iPhone 7" sooner than the usual September timeframe. It said if Apple chose to do so, suppliers could see their bottom lines improved as soon as May.



    Since Apple has already said that they're expecting a troublesome quarter then I'd be really surprised if they made a panicked move like this. 



    I think that Apple is trying to distribute sales/revenue more evenly (and more predictably) across the calendar year.  

    One way to do this is to stagger product releases and updates.

    Another way is to make Apple Products easier to buy or replace with the Apple Upgrade Interest free Financing Program.  This could be extended to other products and countries.

    Still another way is to eliminate the tick/tock cycle -- especially in iPhones. and iOS.



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  • Reply 26 of 74
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    IF you look at previous sales curb, uh, production is always equal or lower at this time of years; so someone just crapped out some pseudo news again.

    This non announce "announce" just before April 26 makes me think the SEC should be fracking looking those "leakers" if they do exist to see if they are profiting from this.
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  • Reply 27 of 74
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    jason98 said:
    The high price of an Apple  iPhone is a major factor in a lot of people upgrading to Apple hardware.
    High price could be justified by real innovation (not by gimmicky 3d touch)
    3D Touch is the very definition of real innovation. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't innovation. If any thing the 6S series of cell phones have been a massive step forward support a lot of true innovation.
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  • Reply 28 of 74
    sirlance99sirlance99 Posts: 1,304member
    cnocbui said:
    And SOG will be along in about 5 to discredit any such notion, citing all those supply chain rumours that were wrong about declining sales before Apple announced its results.  Whoops, those rumours were actually correct, looks like I accidentally made an error.

    Another load of crap from you-know-who.

    Declining sales from supply chains have been claimed with regularity for years now. And how many of those turned out to be true? Zero. Zilch. Nada.
    Although you are right about what you said, eventually there will be. It's impossible to keep going up. 
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  • Reply 29 of 74
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,857member
    wizard69 said:

    As for Cinema Display what can we say good about that. It is pretty clear that the sales rate was less than the Mac Pro probably considerably less. does it make sense for Apple to sell stuff at a loss? It is pretty clear from them offering third party monitors that they have more or less given up on Cinema display. However this also highlights an issue with Apples line up of Macs, they don't have a midrange desktop computer that might help drive monitor sales. What is even sadder is the Mac Pro could be that machine, they just need to offer a model with a single GPU slot configured and a desktop class processor. Get the price of a "desktop" Mac Pro down to around $1500 and there will be strong sales. Even $1500 is a bit stiff these days for a desktop works station but this is Apple we are talking about.
    I agree that the demand for the Cinema Display would be higher if the Mac Pro and Mac Mini were bolstered, and if there was a decent midrange desktop.

    But even without that, there are plenty of people who want to use a big monitor with their laptop when at a desk. If the Cinema/Thunderbolt Display wasn't so ancient (and now overpriced), that would be a great option (it once was a great option). 

    Also, call me superficial, but the idea of using a monitor with a big Dell logo on it is pretty darned unappealing. For reasons of pride if nothing else, how can Apple tolerate Macs being attached to Dell monitors? Sad!
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  • Reply 30 of 74

    Another load of crap from you-know-who.

    Declining sales from supply chains have been claimed with regularity for years now. And how many of those turned out to be true? Zero. Zilch. Nada.
    Although you are right about what you said, eventually there will be. It's impossible to keep going up. 

    Which is why, when some stupid analyst FINALLY gets it right after numerous incorrect predictions, they should not get any credit whatsoever for being right.

    ESPECIALLY when Apple themselves already predicted a downturn in sales.
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  • Reply 31 of 74
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,928member
    Apple's sluggish sales >> anyone else's robust sales. 
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  • Reply 32 of 74
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,928member
    Apple feeling the Android pinch.  First Apple made them bigger, then smaller, then plastic.  They don't know whether there coming or going. It's tough going up against a superior OS.  With Android market share still on the rise, and Google coming out on top as the most profitable company, its no doubt Apple is feeling the hurt.
    Google? Most profitable? Dude, do you even read or know any facts. 
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  • Reply 33 of 74
    icoco3icoco3 Posts: 1,474member
    Apple feeling the Android pinch.  First Apple made them bigger, then smaller, then plastic.  They don't know whether there coming or going. It's tough going up against a superior OS.  With Android market share still on the rise, and Google coming out on top as the most profitable company, its no doubt Apple is feeling the hurt.
    Said as the Kool-Aid drips from your mouth....
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  • Reply 34 of 74
    supadav03supadav03 Posts: 504member
    wizard69 said:
    Apple feeling the Android pinch.  First Apple made them bigger, then smaller, then plastic.  They don't know whether there coming or going. It's tough going up against a superior OS.  

    With Android market share still on the rise, and Google coming out on top as the most profitable company, its no doubt Apple is feeling the hurt.
    You blew any chance of not looking like a troll when you called Android a superior operating system.
    Its his first post. Obviously he's a troll. Apple is feeling the pinch? Where do 90+% of the mobile phone profits lie? I'm sure they'd love to have ever increasing sales but let's not be dumb...
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  • Reply 35 of 74
    saltyzipsaltyzip Posts: 193member
    I think more and more people are just hanging on to their phones these days, and not upgrading so often. I bought a new unlocked Moto G for my mother in law for under £130 and she loves it. She can easily make calls, take photos, access her email, Facebook and send WhatsApp messages. All her photos get backed up to Google Photos and Facebook, what else does she need, what else do most people need.

    You don't need to spend much to get a lot these days.
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  • Reply 36 of 74
    jfc1138jfc1138 Posts: 3,090member
    Nikkei reported a 30% iPhone drop for the last quarter: which Did. Not. Happen. 

    Neither did the 50% drop they'd reported for the 5s. 
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  • Reply 37 of 74
    icoco3icoco3 Posts: 1,474member
    saltyzip said:
    I think more and more people are just hanging on to their phones these days, and not upgrading so often. I bought a new unlocked Moto G for my mother in law for under £130 and she loves it. She can easily make calls, take photos, access her email, Facebook and send WhatsApp and messages. All her photos get backed up to Google Photos and Facebook, what else does she need, what else do most people need.

    You don't need to spend much to get a lot these days.
    Having a larger number of good phones entering the secondary market will eat into new phones sales.  That says a lot for the reliability of Apple products.
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  • Reply 38 of 74
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,398member
    blastdoor said:
    It looks like the easy growth days are done. Apple needs to work a lot harder from here on out to achieve profit growth. It can no longer be about one or two products. 

    Apple has a lot of growth opportunities, but each one is small compared to what the iPhone was 5 years ago. They can't just pick one opportunity and shun the rest -- they now need to now pursue them all. 

    That means they need to stop letting products like the Mac Pro and Cinema display languish without updates. Those are just two examples, but the principle applies to the entire product lineup. For every product and service that Apple sells, they need to knuckle down and make those products and services the very best they can be. They need to bolster their position in existing markets, and then expand into adjacent markets. 

    In 2007 it was fine to put Leopard on hold to finish the iPhone. Today, nothing can be put on hold. Everything needs to be full speed ahead. 

    You're absolutely insane if you believe products like the cinema display and Mac Pro can have even a negligible effect on growth, no matter how great they are. These are niche products that the vast majority of consumers will never even consider purchasing, nor should they. Some of you spend way too much time listening to messageboard and tech blog noise, instead of looking at actual numbers and what happens in the real world, with real people. Any product that doesn't sell in the tens, or hundreds of millions can't be a significant growth driver for Apple. 
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  • Reply 39 of 74
    Time for Apple to drop the 's' model year strategy.. Makes it look like they're out of ideas.
    edited April 2016
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  • Reply 40 of 74
    jason98 said:
    The high price of an Apple  iPhone is a major factor in a lot of people upgrading to Apple hardware.
    High price could be justified by real innovation (not by gimmicky 3d touch)
    Why dont you go back to Crackberry or Android central where u belong.  Among mindless users
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