"CNN sources have claimed that even though the FBI didn't find any new information on Farook's phone, this in itself proved useful, since it seemed to support a belief that Farook and his wife didn't contact any outside conspirators."
The only thing that proves is that Farook didn't use the phone to contact any outside conspirators. It doesn't exclude the possibility that he used a different method or someone else's phone to do so.
This is an example of the FBI's typical sloppy thinking. Not finding anything on Farook's iPhone [b]does not[/b] support the idea that he and his wife did not have outside help. There are two possibilities: either they had outside help or they didn't. Serious investigation would look for evidence that is incompatible with and could refute one of those possibilities. Not finding information on the iPhone is compatible with both possibilities, does not refute any hypothesis, and so does not support the idea that he and his wife did not have outside help. The mistake of thinking that it does is called the inductive fallacy.
Since Comey is not smart enough to understand the inductive fallacy, his services are not worth $183,000 per year.
More like Homer Simpson logic. Just replace Homer with Comey and this still works.
Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm!
Lisa: That’s specious reasoning, Dad.
Homer: Thank you, dear.
Lisa: By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
Dumb FBI was trying to confirm there was nothing worthwhile in the phone paid all this money for zero? What a waste of tax payer dollars. Comey ought to get fired.
But they obviously can't protect us better. The number one function of our society is not crime (terrorism) prevention. $1.4M in tax payer money could be used for many different things much more beneficial to society than to try to one up someone in a pissing contest.
Your comment is just as wrong as the one you commented on.
Yes. The money would be well spent if it actually protected Americans. That does not mean they should have unrestricted access to unlimited funds. Oversight is absolutely necessary and it appears this gamble was not a good investment.
Defending the constitution, solving/preventing crime, national defense and ensuring the integrity of our food and medical supplies as well as our financial systems are the most important things the federal government can do. Virtually everything else is superfluous and should be managed by individuals or more local government entities. A waste of public funds.
The money used by the FBI, whether a million $ or even a smaller amount, is beside the point. They will continue to throw money at breaking down our privacy as long as we continue to allow it. You mention defending the Constitution which along with the Bill of Rights guarantees our freedoms. We as Americans have the freedom to protect our private information. The FBI's overzealous pursuit of cracking into this iPhone at any cost without any idea of whether the data would result in moving the case against terrorism forward should be of concern to all of us. I think we can all agree that terrorism is a scourge that causes concern for all of us. However when we allow our government to violate the freedoms provided by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in the pursuit of terrorists means the terrorists have won the war. Living in fear instead of freedom is a world where the terrorists reign. I am grateful that Tim Cook has stood up and Apple continues to pursue data privacy for all of us.
This is an example of the FBI's typical sloppy thinking. Not finding anything on Farook's iPhone [b]does not[/b] support the idea that he and his wife did not have outside help. There are two possibilities: either they had outside help or they didn't. Serious investigation would look for evidence that is incompatible with and could refute one of those possibilities. Not finding information on the iPhone is compatible with both possibilities, does not refute any hypothesis, and so does not support the idea that he and his wife did not have outside help. The mistake of thinking that it does is called the inductive fallacy.
Since Comey is not smart enough to understand the inductive fallacy, his services are not worth $183,000 per year.
Think of it this way...they already had the evidence they needed from the phone company. They would have been able to tell at least who they phoned and if any data was used during the time in question. (that 18 minutes they talk about)
To say that $1M is money well spent if it saves one life, is complete and utter BS.
The amount of money the USA spends to counter terrorism is completely out of proportion to "lives saved". We quite happily will NOT spend billions to make , say, roads and infrastructure safer, or remove guns from society. Those actions would potentially save thousands of lives every and every subsequent year for all time and be much better $ value for lives saved.
Remove cars from society, they kill people Remove water from society, too many people drown Remove alcohol from society, car accidents, broken homes, etc
Where does it stop??
Your point was going well until the talking points entered into the conversation.
Your comment is just as wrong as the one you commented on.
Yes. The money would be well spent if it actually protected Americans. That does not mean they should have unrestricted access to unlimited funds. Oversight is absolutely necessary and it appears this gamble was not a good investment.
Defending the constitution, solving/preventing crime, national defense and ensuring the integrity of our food and medical supplies as well as our financial systems are the most important things the federal government can do. Virtually everything else is superfluous and should be managed by individuals or more local government entities. A waste of public funds.
The money used by the FBI, whether a million $ or even a smaller amount, is beside the point. They will continue to throw money at breaking down our privacy as long as we continue to allow it. You mention defending the Constitution which along with the Bill of Rights guarantees our freedoms. We as Americans have the freedom to protect our private information. The FBI's overzealous pursuit of cracking into this iPhone at any cost without any idea of whether the data would result in moving the case against terrorism forward should be of concern to all of us. I think we can all agree that terrorism is a scourge that causes concern for all of us. However when we allow our government to violate the freedoms provided by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in the pursuit of terrorists means the terrorists have won the war. Living in fear instead of freedom is a world where the terrorists reign. I am grateful that Tim Cook has stood up and Apple continues to pursue data privacy for all of us.
Consider all the money spent litigating the issue to start with, all the man hours spent on PR, etc...it wasn't just that 1.3 million...
Of course it as worth spending a million bucks of taxpayer money on this! They have virtually shut down all terrorists who are using iPhone 5C's running iOS9 (except the ones who follow the news and now wI'll avoid using the 5C).
Why is the FBI is going to continue using our taxpayer money for something that the people don't want. I agree that Apple shouldn't have to pay for a piece of technology that doesn't exist but when making new phones Apple shouldn't be able make the fourth amendment this complicated to enforce, by Apple doing this our school's, police and fire departments have less money. This is a battle between the God's and we are only here as their pawns. Will we just stand by? Why not, it's not our problem, it's not affecting me. Yes this issue is probably one of the biggest things affecting you who doesn't see an iPhone ten times a day even if they don't own one? Who hasn't ever needed a good school? These are the problems no ones addressing why?
And how many phones do they want to hack? And will it really cost the FBI that much money to do each one? And why don't they have a viable in house team to do it so they don't have to spend tax payers dollars?
Because that would be too logical, to efficient, the FBI wants to get things done but let's not forget the FBI does operate under a black budget.
Of course it as worth spending a million bucks of taxpayer money on this! They have virtually shut down all terrorists who are using iPhone 5C's running iOS9 (except the ones who follow the news and now wI'll avoid using the 5C).
Why is the FBI is going to continue using our taxpayer money for something that the people don't want. I agree that Apple shouldn't have to pay for a piece of technology that doesn't exist but when making new phones Apple shouldn't be able make the fourth amendment this complicated to enforce, by Apple doing this our school's, police and fire departments have less money. This is a battle between the God's and we are only here as their pawns. Will we just stand by? Why not, it's not our problem, it's not affecting me. Yes this issue is probably one of the biggest things affecting you who doesn't see an iPhone ten times a day even if they don't own one? Who hasn't ever needed a good school? These are the problems no ones addressing why?
There is no in between point between security and insecurity; so Apple is not doing anything really. They allow people to take their security in their own hands; enable the use of a long alpha password by using a non hackable biometric key as a main mean to get into the phone. Once that's done, nobody but the person with the password and the fingerprint can get in.
Doesn't matter how many zillion years the FBI has, they're not getting in.
In this case, even with the 5c, if they had a long alpha password, the FBI would not be able to get in.
BTW, self aggrandizing screen names, especially ones that relate to the POV you speak from, are VERY BAD FORM in an online argument. You're not "Thepeople" and neither is your POV, even an elected government doesn't have "Thepeople" as its voice.
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The only thing that proves is that Farook didn't use the phone to contact any outside conspirators. It doesn't exclude the possibility that he used a different method or someone else's phone to do so.
More like Homer Simpson logic. Just replace Homer with Comey and this still works.
Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm!
Lisa: That’s specious reasoning, Dad.
Homer: Thank you, dear.
Lisa: By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
Homer: Oh, how does it work?
Lisa: It doesn’t work.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: It’s just a stupid rock.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: But I don’t see any tigers around, do you?
[Homer thinks of this, then pulls out some money]
Homer: Lisa, I want to buy your rock.
So, what did they really learn after all????
Remove water from society, too many people drown
Remove alcohol from society, car accidents, broken homes, etc
Where does it stop??
Your point was going well until the talking points entered into the conversation.
Because that would be too logical, to efficient, the FBI wants to get things done but let's not forget the FBI does operate under a black budget.
They allow people to take their security in their own hands; enable the use of a long alpha password by using a non hackable biometric key as a main mean to get into the phone. Once that's done, nobody but the person with the password and the fingerprint can get in.
Doesn't matter how many zillion years the FBI has, they're not getting in.
In this case, even with the 5c, if they had a long alpha password, the FBI would not be able to get in.
BTW, self aggrandizing screen names, especially ones that relate to the POV you speak from, are VERY BAD FORM in an online argument.
You're not "Thepeople" and neither is your POV, even an elected government doesn't have "Thepeople" as its voice.