How the media can write about the worst results in 13 years when the fact is Apple just fell short of the best year ever and really the press should be writing, first time in 13 years Apple did not beat y.o.y. growth is beyond insane and probably deliberately manipulative. How about second best results in history?
That just proves the Media is hunting for clicks and intentionally trying to mislead the public. Pathetic.
Good thing is the real Apple investors (and Apple itself) can buy some cheap discounted shares the next few days/weeks.
Yesterday I added to my investment with 300 shares. If the stock goes even more down I'll buy even more. Then I'll hold these bad boys for 10 years and make a killing. In 10 years these shares will be worth $300 each (IMO) and I will be laughing.
We've heard various stories about your stock buys and sales for a couple years now, and some stories conflict, so it's hard to tell what's real and what isn't when you comment on them. Most would probably agree that investments in Apple and held for 10 years+ would be a good one to make so I'd consider at least that part of your comments accurate.
Meh, its a seasonal item.. People buy watches, Apple TV's during fall season.. Only reason last year this time was up was because of the Apple crowd buying the 1st gen model. We didn't see a new model this Spring, so no up-tic in sales. /shrug.
I'm honestly thinking we won't see a new model this year.. or maybe they will plan it more in time for back-to-school ... which wouldn't surprise me in the least.
Right, "seasonal". Nobody gives watches and jewelry for Valentines Day. /s
Let's see what happens next quarter after the price drop and a major watch giving period: graduation and wedding anniversary season.
Valentine's day is not a season and doesn't move the needle in any other industry either.
When exactly is anniversary season, anyway?
That just proves the Media is hunting for clicks and intentionally trying to mislead the public. Pathetic.
Good thing is the real Apple investors (and Apple itself) can buy some cheap discounted shares the next few days/weeks.
Yesterday I added to my investment with 300 shares. If the stock goes even more down I'll buy even more. Then I'll hold these bad boys for 10 years and make a killing. In 10 years these shares will be worth $300 each (IMO) and I will be laughing.
We've heard various stories about your stock buys and sales for a couple years now, and some stories conflict, so it's hard to tell what's real and what isn't when you comment on them. Most would probably agree that investments in Apple and held for 10 years+ would be a good one to make so I'd consider at least that part of your comments accurate.
Give me an example when my stories conflict? Give me an example. Several times I've provided screen shots of from my brokerage account. Don't slander me.
You may be confused because last year I had a trading accounting in addition to investment account. I have a core of Apple shares that I do not sell. But I also did some trading and option trading. So yes I did buy/sell Apple alot of times the last few years but I've always held a core of Apple shares that I did not sell.
Its clear to me now that Apple is not a stock to trade or buy options. That is a fools game. Its all about long term.
You sure you want to do this? I'll find the time to do so later today if required. I went thru this exercise with you last year too and you couldn't explain it then as I recall. So you're sure you're willing to be called out with your own posts on it?
Give me an example when my stories conflict? Give me an example. Several times I've provided screen shots of from my brokerage account. Don't slander me.
You may be confused because last year I had a trading accounting in addition to investment account. I have a core of Apple shares that I do not sell. But I also did some trading and option trading. So yes I did buy/sell Apple alot of times the last few years but I've always held a core of Apple shares that I did not sell.
Its clear to me now that Apple is not a stock to trade or buy options. That is a fools game. Its all about long term.
You sure you want to do this? I'll find the time to do so later today if required. I went thru this exercise with you last year too and you couldn't explain it then as I recall. So you're sure you're willing to be called out with your own posts on it?
Don't slander me.
Don't say I said I bought shares when I didn't. Or sold shares when I didn't.
I've posted proof here several times (screen shots of brokerage accounts) that is far more than anyone else has done here.
Now if you are talking about my $150 stock price bet that is something else. The problem with that bet is no one was willing to bet AGAINST ME. So what the hell would I win? Nothing. That was an unfair bet. I was risking a loss without any gain. IF someone else took the bet I'd take my ban, but there were no takers.
Nope it has nothing to do with your $150 price bet. And no I'm not slandering you as I'm not accusing you of being untruthful.
(*EDIT* I don't mean for this to take a personal turn so editing my comments to discuss via PM instead)
I'll PM you instead of letting this become a thread distraction.
a succinct summary by Machiavelli of Apple's current problems on macrumors:
Messy and cluttered product lines.
Poor and outdated product specs.
Exploitative upgrade prices.
Terrible marketing.
Glib focus on crass fashion items.
Tacky accessories.
Apple needs to refocus. Now.
Unless you really had to, you would have to be nuts to buy a mac right now. Seriously out of date, and still at premium prices.
Everything in your post is incorrect. Look around—the world doesn't agree with you. Stating nonsense doesn't make it true—it just makes you look like an idiot.
Don't say I said I bought shares when I didn't. Or sold shares when I didn't.
I've posted proof here several times (screen shots of brokerage accounts) that is far more than anyone else has done here.
Now if you are talking about my $150 stock price bet that is something else. The problem with that bet is no one was willing to bet AGAINST ME. So what the hell would I win? Nothing. That was an unfair bet. I was risking a loss without any gain. IF someone else took the bet I'd take my ban, but there were no takers.
Nope it has nothing to do with your $150 price bet. And no I'm not slandering you as I'm not accusing you of being untruthful. At the same time you've stated very specific numbers at various times over the past couple of years concerning how many shares you own, how many you've sold, how many you just bought, prices bought and paid etc. etc and some of them don't add up. That makes me question the veracity of some of your statements, and I can back it up with links to your posts on it if you think that's necessary.
IMHO you'd be better served by sticking to some of your suggestions and comments on Apple and/or their stock, but regularly bragging about owning specific x-number shares or selling specific x-number shares and the profits you've seen from trading them makes it appear you sometimes forget what you said about it just a few months prior to those "trades". Numbers don't add up. I would just prefer folks here on the forum try not to "fluff" an inordinate amount.
I'll PM you instead of letting this become a thread distraction.
Dude. I have 3 accounts where I hold Apple stock. Like I said one is a long term account, one is a trading account, and one is a Roth. In addition I hold shares in several mutual funds/index funds. You are probably getting confused. I don't post EVERY SINGLE trade I make here either. Why should I? But what I actually post is true.
You already accused me of lying about my trades. Now have the balls to give me an example where I lied about my share purchases.
You called me out publicly so now prove it PUBLICLY.
I'm the only guy I know on this forum who posted PROOF of my trades multiple times. And yet you still SLANDER ME about my trades.
How in the f*** was this a "disappointing" quarter?????
You have to understand how the entire financial world operates. All businesses, banks, institutions etc. expect and demand growth at all times. If there is no growth or slower growth, that is viewed as bad (disappointing). Think of it as "cancer economics" - in that, just like cancer, economies, businesses etc. must grow uncontrollably until they destroy themselves, the host or both. Ultimately the cancer cells are in charge and the future holds death and destruction - long term of course.
How the media can write about the worst results in 13 years when the fact is Apple just fell short of the best year ever and really the press should be writing, first time in 13 years Apple did not beat y.o.y. growth is beyond insane and probably deliberately manipulative. How about second best results in history?
Agreed, and well put. It's a massive overreaction.
We've heard various stories about your stock buys and sales for a couple years now, and some stories conflict, so it's hard to tell what's real and what isn't when you comment on them. Most would probably agree that investments in Apple and held for 10 years+ would be a good one to make so I'd consider at least that part of your comments accurate.
Its clear to me now that Apple is not a stock to trade or buy options. That is a fools game. Its all about long term.
well thank god you finally got that thru your head. not long ago you were whining about stock value fluctuations and losing value from one day/week to the next, the rumor mill, demanding Cook resign, etc...
Dude. I have 3 accounts where I hold Apple stock. Like I said one is a long term account, one is a trading account, and one is a Roth. In addition I hold shares in several mutual funds/index funds. You are probably getting confused. I don't post EVERY SINGLE trade I make here either. Why should I? But what I actually post is true.
You already accused me of lying about my trades. Now have the balls to give me an example where I lied about my share purchases.
You called me out publicly so now prove it PUBLICLY.
I'm the only guy I know on this forum who posted PROOF of my trades multiple times. And yet you still SLANDER ME about my trades.
Either apologize or show me proof I lied.
Refer to the PM.
You publicly slandered me here calling me a liar.
Now either apology PUBLICLY here or show proof that I lied about my trades.
Sorry but a PM won't do. If you called me a liar in a PM then a PM would do. But calling me a liar and slandered me is now PUBLIC on this forum.
Show me proof that I lied about my trades or apologize.
Yes I publically posted my doubts about the veracity of some of your posts, but did not accuse you of lying. That would require a different level of evidence. If you're going to carry on then post my PM to you. I explained it. I was attempting to keep this non-personal and outside the forum proper but if you insist on public then make it so. Post the PM as a start.
Its clear to me now that Apple is not a stock to trade or buy options. That is a fools game. Its all about long term.
well thank god you finally got that thru your head. not long ago you were whining about stock value fluctuations and losing value from one day/week to the next, the rumor mill, demanding Cook resign, etc...
Either the sog35 account is used by a few different persons, or the individual is bi-polar.
Summary of my opinions: 1. Yes, it is disappointing. Anytime revenue & earnings are down YoY, and most product lines are down, it is disappointing. I am sure that Apple management are disappointed. Doesn't mean much beyond that though right now. It takes more than a quarter or two to define a clear trend as a basis for future.
2. I do believe iPhone growth is going to slow significantly going forward, but it has not peaked. We were in this situation 2 years ago, before the massive iPhone 6 increases. Check link to this April 2014 article to see the same arguments being made today. iPhone's Growth is Slowing (Apple Provides More Proof ... There is a massive installed base of iPhones, they are getting new buyers, and they are getting switchers. Current smartphone sales (from high end to the majority in the very low end) are ~1.5B/year. But total "mobile phones" are closing in on 5B/year. Lots of growth over time for smartphones, but clearly much slower than before. Apple will get their share of that. But the upgrade cycle is moving out due to devices being quite good enough & lasting, end of subsidies, and tough economic conditions.
3. Exchange rate matters. USD has seen a very large rise. For those of us not in the USA, this makes the devices significantly more expensive. Here in Canada, an iPhone 6s+ is $1029 CAD. That purchase, even when looked at through instalment plans, takes some serious thinking for many. People are still buying, but you can be sure that $1029 puts more off (delaying an upgrade most likely, or even looking outside Apple) vs. the $749 it is in US.
This is one criticism I have of Apple. They adjust their international prices very slowly downwards, regardless of exchange rate. That CAD iPhone price was set in Sept. 2015, and the CAD had dropped a lot. Now though it has recovered back to where those prices are way out of whack. That iPhone CAD price assumes an exchange rate of 1.37, when today the rate is 1.26. That causes lower sales than otherwise, if Apple were to adjust pricing accordingly when exchange rates move a lot.
4. While I generally don't buy the "Steve Jobs never would have..." line (e.g. Apple has always been considered "stingy" in the Mac specs department), I do think the launches of Apple Watch, Apple Music, and Apple TV 4 were poor - especially ATV4 - and that is something that previous management might have prevented. For AW they should have waited to get some reasonable inventory, and for Apple Music & ATV4 they should have waited for the s/w & apps to be more fully baked.
5. Apple Watch just completed its first year!!! Come on people, you can't say that AW is not picking up the slack with a straight face. Maybe it won't end up being a significant product category (I am a fan, but who knows), but it takes a few years before one can see how a new product will do. Especially one that is really at the leading edge of an entire new product category that had little market to begin with.
6. I do agree that Apple should be giving their entire Mac line a bit more attention. That won't significantly affect revenue in the near term, but it should help develop a better narrative, ensure loyalty, and perhaps help with the negative media. In the last two years, Apple has introduced the MacBook (priced OK IMO) and given the high (5K/4K) resolution iMacs - but really nothing else. And they have done some HW "optimizations" that likely saved very little costs, but caused a lot of blowback from Mac community (reduction of flash in the Fusion drive as example.
7. Apple was ridiculously undervalued by the market before, and none of this changes that.
Dude. I have 3 accounts where I hold Apple stock. Like I said one is a long term account, one is a trading account, and one is a Roth. In addition I hold shares in several mutual funds/index funds. You are probably getting confused. I don't post EVERY SINGLE trade I make here either. Why should I? But what I actually post is true.
You already accused me of lying about my trades. Now have the balls to give me an example where I lied about my share purchases.
You called me out publicly so now prove it PUBLICLY.
I'm the only guy I know on this forum who posted PROOF of my trades multiple times. And yet you still SLANDER ME about my trades.
Either apologize or show me proof I lied.
Refer to the PM.
Sorry but a PM won't do. If you called me a liar in a PM then a PM would do. But calling me a liar and slandered me is now PUBLIC on this forum.
Show me proof that I lied about my trades or apologize.
You really want to go there? Demand again then and I'll try to oblige.
Sorry but a PM won't do. If you called me a liar in a PM then a PM would do. But calling me a liar and slandered me is now PUBLIC on this forum.
Show me proof that I lied about my trades or apologize.
You really want to go there? Demand again then and I'll try to oblige.
Yes.
Either apologize or show proof of your claims.
The burden of proof is on you. You are the one who is accusing me of lying.
As you wish, and before I begin I'll make clear one more time I've not accused you of lying but instead that some posts are at odds with each other and numbers don't add up. So yeah I have doubts about it.
In December/15, not all that long ago mind you, you said you owned 1500 total shares of Apple stock. You even even posted a screenshot of what you said was your account showing those 1500 shares. What’s particularly odd about it is that just weeks prior you said you sold all your Apple stock but 800 shares. So later someone in a thread discussion asks if you had sold your stock yet and you said:
“Sold nothing. I'm not going to let Wall Street 'steal' my money. Won't sell till I'm in my grave or its fairly valued. I'll take this down to my grave. Fuc Wall Street.”
Only to post somewhat later that day after another member dredged up your earlier post about selling your shares:
“Yes I sold everything except 800.”
Then you added this soon after since without it you obviously couldn’t come up with enough stock to equal the 1500 shares you posted the supposed image of a bit earlier while saying you lost $37K on ‘em:.
“I rebought 700 shares the last couple days.”
Right. That absolutely makes no sense for someone vehemently complaining during that entire time about how awful your Apple investment was and all the money you’re losing on it because of Cook. You think Apple stock had become a bad investment and didn’t see hope of it changing till Cook is gone yet nearly doubled your investment??? Doesn’t sound believable even to you does it?
So move on the issue of “options” in one of the threads. Another poster suggested you must have been nicked by those and perhaps that’s why you had all your stock price concerns. But you said:
“I don't own any Apple options.”
A poster reminded you that you had said you did, so you came back with:
“Yes I bought options and sold options which I closed with a $0 loss”
So far circumstantial evidence of the truth is not on your side.
Let's move forward a month or two.
In February, just 8 weeks ago give or take, didn’t you say:
“Just sold a ton of my shares. I won't buy a single share back until Cook is fired. It is unforgivable that a company can lose $250 billion in market cap TWICE in 3 years during a Bull market. I still hold 900 shares, but hold little hope for it. “
After it was pointed out that you previously claimed to own only 800 shares in total so how could you “sell a ton” and still own 900 you replied:
“The amount of shares I've owned has fluctuated from 400 to 1800 since 2012. But I just sold 500 shares in the last week, with only 900 remaining." (Wait, didn’t you have 1500 shares, with a picture of the statement and all as proof?)
So with more questions raised about your numbers you came back with:
I do have shares in two accounts (Roth and investment acct) so maybe that's why the confusion. The only reason I'm holding the 900 shares is in hopes that they fire Tim Cook soon. If they fired Tim Cook tomorrow I'd probably buy 800 shares right away. Yes that is how strongly I feel about the 'CEO' of Apple. Cause really Apple has no CEO right now. It is run by a bean counter without any vision.”
Then a few days later you added this:
“I'm giving Cook one more chance. Bought back the 500 Apple shares that I sold earlier this week (for $1 less than I sold it for)”
So now you claimed to have 1400 shares. Did I add that up right?
So fast forward a few more weeks where yesterday you claim to have bought another 300 shares and now said you own 1000 in total if memory serves. Is that correct? Hmmm… So in Dec. you had 800 shares in total, then 1500 in total "buying another 700" while losing money. By February/March you had 900 total shares “you wouldn’t sell”, bought back another 500 “to give Cook another chance” adding up to 1400 shares (A few had gone missing apparently). With today’s 300 you’d be at least at 1700? If you weren’t fudging the numbers in March then you seem to be missing a few hundred of them. You should look.
Also in February as you did today you blamed the differing numbers leading to confusion about your stock holding claims on having different accounts, professing to have two. Now today you say again the confusing numbers you’ve offered in the past few months is probably because you have different accounts. . . but now it’s not tow like you said a few weeks back, instead you say
“Dude. I have 3 accounts where I hold Apple stock. Like I said one is a long term account, one is a trading account, and one is a Roth.”
Which one did you post the screenshot of a few weeks ago that showed 1500 shares in it? Since at the time you said your total Apple stock holdings amounted to 1500 shares they were all in that one account, right?
So now it’s either two or three investment accounts and holding either 1000 or 1700 shares of Apple depending on the count? And that’s only using recent posts you made about your Apple stock holdings. Understand why numbers aren't matching up?
I’m not not even getting into other things that don’t add up, raised in my PM to you in an effort to be at least minimally courteous and get the questions I had for you answered in private.
So yeah, I unapologetically have questions (and I’m not the only one), but of course that’s not proof you weren’t or aren’t truthful about it nor ever go so far as to call you a liar. That's your addition. That would be a personal attack and something I try hard to avoid as you and most other members here know. Everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt and there’s already far too many ad-homs tossed around on a regular basis.
In your case I have a lot of doubt tho and circumstantial evidence is certainly not on your side. I would have avoided going into all this detail in any other situation but you insisted. Note too that this is only using posts from the past 5 months. There's more if you want to goad me into going back further.
I don’t expect you to go out of your way with a detailed response tho you’re free to do so. I just wanted to do as you demanded and post at least a portion of what has me questioning the veracity of some of your comments. But that does not go so far as to accuse you of lying just to be clear. Readers can draw their own conclusions.
The burden of proof is on you. You are the one who is accusing me of lying.
So move on the issue of “options” in one of the threads. Another poster suggested you must have been nicked by those and perhaps that’s why you had all your stock price concerns. But you said:
“I don't own any Apple options.”
A poster reminded you that you had said you did, so you came back with:
“Yes I bought options and sold options which I closed with a $0 loss”
So far circumstantial evidence of the truth is not on your side.
Come on dude.
I didn't own options when I answered the question. That's not a lie. I did not hold options at the time.
I DID NOT SAY I NEVER OWNED OPTIONS EVER. All I said is I didn't own options at that time. I've made it clear many times before that I had bought/sold options in the past.
Jesus Christ dude. Learn how to read before you slander someone as a liar.
I'm expecting an apology from you.
Doesn't your "new" screenshot show you had in fact purchased options when made your original post on Dec. 17th claiming not to? Very top item partially cut off.
And comparing this screenshot posted on Dec 17 by you with today's latest the drapes don't seem to match the carpet,
nor does your new one support your claim to have added another 700 shares in the two days prior to your December screenshot. I see 2300 shares bought and 2100 shares sold by someone tho, a net gain of 200 shares. Of course I could have added wrong. But yes I accept that as proof that those trades happened. If they were yours congrats as you appear likely to have owned far more than the 1800 shares tops you've claimed to own over the past 4 years. You sold yourself short.
So whatever, I have zero interest in continuing as I made my point, posting evidence of the questions raised using your own words. What you've just responded with hasn't put them to rest as far as I'm concerned. Maybe everyone else with questions is assuaged. I'm not Judge, or Jury and not for a moment accusing you of lying. But there's questions.
So you really are not going to apologize for calling me a liar? If you still refuse to apologize for calling me liar everyone will know you are unreasonable and stubborn. Just stop. Swallow your pride and admit you were wrong.
LOL. Had I called you a liar at any time I would already have apologized. No wait, I wouldn't have called anyone a liar to begin with. So no there's no apology forthcoming for something that was never said. That would be silly. Almost as silly as railing on about Mr Cook and the $10's of $thousands he was costing you while you claimed to buy more stock to take a loss on since that's what you were expecting at the time.
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http://seekingalpha.com/article/3968300-apple-aapl-timothy-donald-cook-q2-2016-results-earnings-call-transcript?part=single
So you're sure you're willing to be called out with your own posts on it?
(*EDIT* I don't mean for this to take a personal turn so editing my comments to discuss via PM instead)
I'll PM you instead of letting this become a thread distraction.
Agreed, and well put. It's a massive overreaction.
1. Yes, it is disappointing. Anytime revenue & earnings are down YoY, and most product lines are down, it is disappointing. I am sure that Apple management are disappointed. Doesn't mean much beyond that though right now. It takes more than a quarter or two to define a clear trend as a basis for future.
2. I do believe iPhone growth is going to slow significantly going forward, but it has not peaked. We were in this situation 2 years ago, before the massive iPhone 6 increases. Check link to this April 2014 article to see the same arguments being made today.
iPhone's Growth is Slowing (Apple Provides More Proof ...
There is a massive installed base of iPhones, they are getting new buyers, and they are getting switchers. Current smartphone sales (from high end to the majority in the very low end) are ~1.5B/year. But total "mobile phones" are closing in on 5B/year. Lots of growth over time for smartphones, but clearly much slower than before. Apple will get their share of that. But the upgrade cycle is moving out due to devices being quite good enough & lasting, end of subsidies, and tough economic conditions.
3. Exchange rate matters. USD has seen a very large rise. For those of us not in the USA, this makes the devices significantly more expensive. Here in Canada, an iPhone 6s+ is $1029 CAD. That purchase, even when looked at through instalment plans, takes some serious thinking for many. People are still buying, but you can be sure that $1029 puts more off (delaying an upgrade most likely, or even looking outside Apple) vs. the $749 it is in US.
This is one criticism I have of Apple. They adjust their international prices very slowly downwards, regardless of exchange rate. That CAD iPhone price was set in Sept. 2015, and the CAD had dropped a lot. Now though it has recovered back to where those prices are way out of whack. That iPhone CAD price assumes an exchange rate of 1.37, when today the rate is 1.26. That causes lower sales than otherwise, if Apple were to adjust pricing accordingly when exchange rates move a lot.
4. While I generally don't buy the "Steve Jobs never would have..." line (e.g. Apple has always been considered "stingy" in the Mac specs department), I do think the launches of Apple Watch, Apple Music, and Apple TV 4 were poor - especially ATV4 - and that is something that previous management might have prevented. For AW they should have waited to get some reasonable inventory, and for Apple Music & ATV4 they should have waited for the s/w & apps to be more fully baked.
5. Apple Watch just completed its first year!!! Come on people, you can't say that AW is not picking up the slack with a straight face. Maybe it won't end up being a significant product category (I am a fan, but who knows), but it takes a few years before one can see how a new product will do. Especially one that is really at the leading edge of an entire new product category that had little market to begin with.
6. I do agree that Apple should be giving their entire Mac line a bit more attention. That won't significantly affect revenue in the near term, but it should help develop a better narrative, ensure loyalty, and perhaps help with the negative media. In the last two years, Apple has introduced the MacBook (priced OK IMO) and given the high (5K/4K) resolution iMacs - but really nothing else. And they have done some HW "optimizations" that likely saved very little costs, but caused a lot of blowback from Mac community (reduction of flash in the Fusion drive as example.
7. Apple was ridiculously undervalued by the market before, and none of this changes that.
In December/15, not all that long ago mind you, you said you owned 1500 total shares of Apple stock. You even even posted a screenshot of what you said was your account showing those 1500 shares. What’s particularly odd about it is that just weeks prior you said you sold all your Apple stock but 800 shares. So later someone in a thread discussion asks if you had sold your stock yet and you said:
“Sold nothing. I'm not going to let Wall Street 'steal' my money. Won't sell till I'm in my grave or its fairly valued. I'll take this down to my grave. Fuc Wall Street.”
Only to post somewhat later that day after another member dredged up your earlier post about selling your shares:
“Yes I sold everything except 800.”
Then you added this soon after since without it you obviously couldn’t come up with enough stock to equal the 1500 shares you posted the supposed image of a bit earlier while saying you lost $37K on ‘em:.
“I rebought 700 shares the last couple days.”
Right. That absolutely makes no sense for someone vehemently complaining during that entire time about how awful your Apple investment was and all the money you’re losing on it because of Cook. You think Apple stock had become a bad investment and didn’t see hope of it changing till Cook is gone yet nearly doubled your investment??? Doesn’t sound believable even to you does it?
So move on the issue of “options” in one of the threads. Another poster suggested you must have been nicked by those and perhaps that’s why you had all your stock price concerns. But you said:
“I don't own any Apple options.”
A poster reminded you that you had said you did, so you came back with:
“Yes I bought options and sold options which I closed with a $0 loss”
So far circumstantial evidence of the truth is not on your side.
Let's move forward a month or two.
In February, just 8 weeks ago give or take, didn’t you say:
“Just sold a ton of my shares. I won't buy a single share back until Cook is fired. It is unforgivable that a company can lose $250 billion in market cap TWICE in 3 years during a Bull market. I still hold 900 shares, but hold little hope for it. “
After it was pointed out that you previously claimed to own only 800 shares in total so how could you “sell a ton” and still own 900 you replied:
“The amount of shares I've owned has fluctuated from 400 to 1800 since 2012. But I just sold 500 shares in the last week, with only 900 remaining." (Wait, didn’t you have 1500 shares, with a picture of the statement and all as proof?)
So with more questions raised about your numbers you came back with:
I do have shares in two accounts (Roth and investment acct) so maybe that's why the confusion. The only reason I'm holding the 900 shares is in hopes that they fire Tim Cook soon. If they fired Tim Cook tomorrow I'd probably buy 800 shares right away. Yes that is how strongly I feel about the 'CEO' of Apple. Cause really Apple has no CEO right now. It is run by a bean counter without any vision.”
Then a few days later you added this:
“I'm giving Cook one more chance. Bought back the 500 Apple shares that I sold earlier this week (for $1 less than I sold it for)”
So now you claimed to have 1400 shares. Did I add that up right?
So fast forward a few more weeks where yesterday you claim to have bought another 300 shares and now said you own 1000 in total if memory serves. Is that correct? Hmmm… So in Dec. you had 800 shares in total, then 1500 in total "buying another 700" while losing money. By February/March you had 900 total shares “you wouldn’t sell”, bought back another 500 “to give Cook another chance” adding up to 1400 shares (A few had gone missing apparently). With today’s 300 you’d be at least at 1700? If you weren’t fudging the numbers in March then you seem to be missing a few hundred of them. You should look.
Also in February as you did today you blamed the differing numbers leading to confusion about your stock holding claims on having different accounts, professing to have two. Now today you say again the confusing numbers you’ve offered in the past few months is probably because you have different accounts. . . but now it’s not tow like you said a few weeks back, instead you say
“Dude. I have 3 accounts where I hold Apple stock. Like I said one is a long term account, one is a trading account, and one is a Roth.”
Which one did you post the screenshot of a few weeks ago that showed 1500 shares in it? Since at the time you said your total Apple stock holdings amounted to 1500 shares they were all in that one account, right?
So now it’s either two or three investment accounts and holding either 1000 or 1700 shares of Apple depending on the count? And that’s only using recent posts you made about your Apple stock holdings. Understand why numbers aren't matching up?
I’m not not even getting into other things that don’t add up, raised in my PM to you in an effort to be at least minimally courteous and get the questions I had for you answered in private.
So yeah, I unapologetically have questions (and I’m not the only one), but of course that’s not proof you weren’t or aren’t truthful about it nor ever go so far as to call you a liar. That's your addition. That would be a personal attack and something I try hard to avoid as you and most other members here know. Everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt and there’s already far too many ad-homs tossed around on a regular basis.
In your case I have a lot of doubt tho and circumstantial evidence is certainly not on your side. I would have avoided going into all this detail in any other situation but you insisted. Note too that this is only using posts from the past 5 months. There's more if you want to goad me into going back further.
I don’t expect you to go out of your way with a detailed response tho you’re free to do so. I just wanted to do as you demanded and post at least a portion of what has me questioning the veracity of some of your comments. But that does not go so far as to accuse you of lying just to be clear. Readers can draw their own conclusions.And comparing this screenshot posted on Dec 17 by you with today's latest the drapes don't seem to match the carpet,
nor does your new one support your claim to have added another 700 shares in the two days prior to your December screenshot. I see 2300 shares bought and 2100 shares sold by someone tho, a net gain of 200 shares. Of course I could have added wrong. But yes I accept that as proof that those trades happened. If they were yours congrats as you appear likely to have owned far more than the 1800 shares tops you've claimed to own over the past 4 years. You sold yourself short.
So whatever, I have zero interest in continuing as I made my point, posting evidence of the questions raised using your own words. What you've just responded with hasn't put them to rest as far as I'm concerned. Maybe everyone else with questions is assuaged. I'm not Judge, or Jury and not for a moment accusing you of lying. But there's questions.
Now we can get back to the thread topic right?
Are we done here?