Apple loses exclusive rights to 'iPhone' trademark for non-smartphone products in China

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  • Reply 21 of 44
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    ivlad said:
    foggyhill said:
    If they bring it to the US, they'll use mostly robotics (otherwise there is no point) and very few will have jobs.
    That's the thing people don't realize when they say that. There is no way to repatriate these things using just labor.
    The skill pool is too low, the number of people that can be used on demand is too low too.
    Not only that, China controls world's rare minerals. It would mean that China would need to export minerals to US at a high price also, something China will not do.
    There are places in the US that have those minerals, it just wasn't seen as commercially viable to mine it because China's prices are so low. If they actually needed too, they'd mine it.
    ronn
  • Reply 22 of 44
    VisualSeedVisualSeed Posts: 217member
    sog35 said:
    They use Facebook because everyone else does. That's it. That doesn't indicate that they don't care about privacy. You're erroneously drawing a conclusion from a premise which doesn't support it.
    So then if Apple builds a social network like Facebook then its users won't feel its privacy is being breached?

    Thanks for making my point for me.

    The bottom line is iOS users don't mind using Google/Facebook.  So Apple should build/buy their own versions of it and start making money on it.  Instead of allowing Facebook/Google to be parasites and fleece iOS users.
    Just because a large number of people are using a service that violates their privacy does't mean they are complacent. Just like I don't like TicketMaster, and I hated everything about the way they operated, but I still wanted to see concerts. So I had to put up with the devil until better options came along. Many people are just waiting for something better to come along that also gains a critical mass of users so they can jump ship. Just because Facebook and Google are dogs doesn't mean Apple has to be a dog too. In fact, nothing about the way Apple approaches anything suggests they will.
  • Reply 23 of 44
    brakkenbrakken Posts: 687member
    iyfcalvin said:
    If you know how to do business in China, with a corrupt hierarchy, maybe Apple execs need to understand and follow protocol to ensure people are taken "care" of making things go smoothly. Me thinks some people at Apple have upset the "Apple"cart!
    Completely agree. In the US it's called 'lobbying'. In China, it's called 'gift money'. Whatever it's called, the right amount of money has to go to the right people to get the job done. 
  • Reply 24 of 44
    brakkenbrakken Posts: 687member
    Apple gives one of its Chinese subsidiaries a bunch of cash - 'Go buy that shitty little company and shut it down'. 'Done.'
  • Reply 25 of 44
    djsherlydjsherly Posts: 1,031member
    avidthinker said:
    the thorough disrespect for IP and property rights in general will come back and bite the communists in the ass one day.  i am assured of this, maybe not today or tomorrow, but the day of reckoning is coming.
    The law seems sound here, the interpretation however does not. The point in time when you consider these things is when the mark is registered. You can't wait for time to unfold and then evaluate things as they stand today.

    When you do so, there are multiple categories of goods and services against which you could apply for protection. You can blame the WTO for that. White guys carving up commerce. You don't get to use the trademark exclusively in all facets of goods and services.

    It seems obvious enough to me that the mark was registered not-so-coincidentally with the release of iPhone (deliberately dropping the 'the' as Schiller would like). In Australian law that would be calculated to confuse and mislead on the face of it. It seems like Chinese law is the same, but the interpretation given (without looking any further than this article) doesn't seem to support that view.

    Anyway, China.

    Chris. 




  • Reply 26 of 44
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    Although just another moronic "legal decision" from the protectionists in China, this applies to NON-PHONE products. I'm sure Apple has no interest in getting into the "iPhone bicycle helmet" or "iPhone teapot" business in China.
  • Reply 27 of 44
    applesauce007applesauce007 Posts: 1,698member
    This is not the end of the World. Although it shows the Chinese system is disorganized.
    It's only in China and it is just a pouch for the iPhone.

    Just don't buy the pouch and the company will eventually die or kill the product.

  • Reply 28 of 44
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    Not sure why all the ire at China, Apple had to reach deals for the trademark on "iPhone" and "iOS" in the US as well, since Cisco owned them.  
    singularity
  • Reply 29 of 44
    adamcadamc Posts: 583member
    sog35 said:
    Apple needs to rely less on China for revenue.

    How? Services. Period.

    Facebook and Google only do advertising and they are worth $800 billion combined.

    Tim Cook has to get of his high horse on privacy and start building an Apple advertising empire.

    Tim Cook always spews about how important privacy is.
    But Apple users don't give a crap.

    86% of iOS users use Facebook.
    http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Facebook-iOS-Android-Google-Apple,news-16588.html

    80% of Google's mobile revenue is from iOS users
    http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/03/29/google_earns_80_of_its_mobile_revenue_from_ios_just_20_from_android

    85% of iOS users use at least one Google service.



    All this means that iOS users don't give a crap about privacy. That is why Apple needs to build their advertising empire.  

    With advertising Apple would not need to rely on a communist state.
    Apple don't sell you out that's why they failed at iAds. facebook and google don't give a crap to your privacy and you are sold wholesale right down to which porn site you just visited.
    edited May 2016
  • Reply 30 of 44
    F you China. You guys are the masters of knockoffs and copyright infringement yet you give the rights to the company that won't last 10 years?
  • Reply 31 of 44
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,261member
    adamc said:
    sog35 said:
    Apple needs to rely less on China for revenue.

    How? Services. Period.

    Facebook and Google only do advertising and they are worth $800 billion combined.

    Tim Cook has to get of his high horse on privacy and start building an Apple advertising empire.

    Tim Cook always spews about how important privacy is.
    But Apple users don't give a crap.

    86% of iOS users use Facebook.
    http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Facebook-iOS-Android-Google-Apple,news-16588.html

    80% of Google's mobile revenue is from iOS users
    http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/03/29/google_earns_80_of_its_mobile_revenue_from_ios_just_20_from_android

    85% of iOS users use at least one Google service.



    All this means that iOS users don't give a crap about privacy. That is why Apple needs to build their advertising empire.  

    With advertising Apple would not need to rely on a communist state.
    Apple don't sell you out that's why they failed at iAds. facebook and google don't give a crap to your privacy and you are sold wholesale right down to which porn site you just visited.
    Apple and Google may well have a few different views on anonymized user stats but linking Google and porn shows your ignorance of what Google allows and what it does not regarding user data. So feel secure in knowing your visits to your favorite porn sites are safe from ad tracking by Google. Of course there's other adult ad platforms that specialize in tracking you from porn site to porn site even tho Google might not...

    https://support.google.com/adwordspolicy/answer/143465?hl=en
    edited May 2016
  • Reply 32 of 44
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 5,043member
    iyfcalvin said:
    If you know how to do business in China, with a corrupt hierarchy, maybe Apple execs need to understand and follow protocol to ensure people are taken "care" of making things go smoothly. Me thinks some people at Apple have upset the "Apple"cart!

    here is the problem with that statement publicly traded US company are barred from engaging in that kind of active in China. US companies are not allow to grease the skids or paid other government official to do business in those countries. Remember everyone in China works for the government or are an agent to the government in some sort of way. I worked for a company who did lots of business in China and when situation arose where we were being told we have to pay some sort of fee which did not seem normal we had to get our legal department involved and they have to be involved in any discussion about payments.
  • Reply 33 of 44
    mubailimubaili Posts: 453member
    well,this just speaks the ridiculous justice system there in China. Well, China being China.
  • Reply 34 of 44
    paul turnerpaul turner Posts: 222member
    sog35 said:
    cali said:
    I'm beginning to think Apple SHOULD move production to India.
    Unfortunately it's not so easy.
    they gotta start sometime even if its small at first.

    why not just build the iPhone SE in India or Vietnam?

    this is why Apple needs to go deeper into services. 
    Because these two countries do not have the required number of workers and engineers at such short notice to be able to make  a phone every year. You would be the first to be ragging onApple if engineering delays force the slip of a new model.

    You are behaving like most people in the US whose ability to fully understand the complexities of any issue defaults to one sentence sound bites like for instance one of the Republican contenders who appeals to superficial thinking on every issue. 
    singularity
  • Reply 35 of 44
    paul turnerpaul turner Posts: 222member

    sog35 said:
    Apple needs to rely less on China for revenue.

    How? Services. Period.

    Facebook and Google only do advertising and they are worth $800 billion combined.

    Tim Cook has to get of his high horse on privacy and start building an Apple advertising empire.

    Tim Cook always spews about how important privacy is.
    But Apple users don't give a crap.

    86% of iOS users use Facebook.
    http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Facebook-iOS-Android-Google-Apple,news-16588.html

    80% of Google's mobile revenue is from iOS users
    http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/03/29/google_earns_80_of_its_mobile_revenue_from_ios_just_20_from_android

    85% of iOS users use at least one Google service.



    All this means that iOS users don't give a crap about privacy. That is why Apple needs to build their advertising empire.  

    With advertising Apple would not need to rely on a communist state.
    First rule of business, stick to what you are good at and excel at that. Apple is not an advertising company. They are an engineering company specializing in selling mostly hardware. 
    gatorguy
  • Reply 36 of 44
    hodarhodar Posts: 357member
    Follow the money. China doesn't understand human rights, intellectual property, patents, national secrecy (except their own), corporate espionage, and many other basic social constructs. But, they have a pretty good grasp of what money is. All you have to do, is make it financially worthwhile for them to play ball; and they will. When they get out of line, hit them in the bottom line. It's always about money.
  • Reply 37 of 44
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,731member
    igorsky said:
    I'd really love for Apple to take all their manufacturing jobs out of China and bring it all to the US. I'd be willing to pay more.
    If more robotics can be utilized that could happen.  I doubt Apple could find sufficient numbers of skilled workers willing to do that sort of assembly line work here let alone for the equivalent pay to keep Apple's products affordable.  The days of Henry Ford came and went in the USA a long time ago.  That's not to say there wouldn't be lots of good jobs to go along with a robotic plant.  I'd certainly prefer to see more production or at least assembly moved to the USA.
  • Reply 38 of 44
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,731member

    ivlad said:
    foggyhill said:
    If they bring it to the US, they'll use mostly robotics (otherwise there is no point) and very few will have jobs.
    That's the thing people don't realize when they say that. There is no way to repatriate these things using just labor.
    The skill pool is too low, the number of people that can be used on demand is too low too.
    Not only that, China controls world's rare minerals. It would mean that China would need to export minerals to US at a high price also, something China will not do.
    Mining asteroids ... that's the solution!  :)
  • Reply 39 of 44
    the thorough disrespect for IP and property rights in general will come back and bite the communists in the ass one day.  i am assured of this, maybe not today or tomorrow, but the day of reckoning is coming.
    Really, I thought that this was Apple's disrespect for property rights coming back to bite them in the ass today. Didn't they just take the iPhone name and use it without permission from Cisco? Didn't they just enter the music industry under the brand Apple when they'd already agreed with the Beatles not to? They can buy their way out of these problems after the fact but don't think that they have any respect for IP
    singularity
  • Reply 40 of 44
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 2,351member
    Don't worry.  This company can not export its products especially to US.  
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