Japan Display reports $294M net loss, hopes Apple will switch iPhone to OLED soon

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  • Reply 21 of 29
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member
    foggyhill said:
    Profits have not really rebounded, they're still really blah.

    As for OLED, if something costs 6 times something else (OLED TVs), it better be better.
    The problem is that a top end Plasma from 3 years ago is barely beat by a OLED from 2016.
    For anything with movement, Plasma is still better than OLED.

    BTW,
    You know who the frack created the god damn bigger screen in 2007, well it's Apple.
    Going a bit bigger still because you run a POS inefficient OS that needs a big battery just to compete is why we got phablet. So No candy bud. This is not innovation.

    I have a decent Panasonic Viera Plasma TV.  OLED has some notable advantages over Plasma - it has notable advantages over just about everything.  OLEDs have a very fast response time to the point there is no perceptible motion blur, so Plasma is not perceptibly better, even if it has a faster response time.  Perhaps you were thinking about LCDs, which have a comparatively glacial response time.

    No Motion Blur

    For the OLED TV high speed screen shots of fast moving test patterns show absolutely no visible display based Motion Blur or latent images from any previous refresh cycles due to a very fast Response Time.

    Comparison with Plasma TVs

    Plasma TVs have traditionally had a smaller market share, but they are often preferred by video enthusiasts over LCDs because of their superior Black Levels, Contrast Ratios, Viewing Angles, and Response Time. However, Plasma displays produce visible image noise at dark intensity levels, which compromises their picture quality, whereas OLED displays do not. The OLED TV clearly outperforms Plasmas in all of the above categories, especially when viewing dark image content. In addition, Plasma TVs typically have peak Brightness (Luminance) levels of 100 to 200 cd/m2, whereas the OLED TV produces roughly double that value, even on the accurately calibrated ISF Expert picture modes. OLEDs will clearly become the preferred technology for video enthusiasts. We’ll cover Plasma TV performance in detail in Part II of the article.

    http://www.displaymate.com/LG_OLED_TV_ShootOut_1.htm




  • Reply 22 of 29
    domino67domino67 Posts: 34member
    tzeshan said:
    OLED is a gimmick.  It is not a low-power display.  It consumes more power displaying white.  The LCD uses more power not because it is backlighted.  It is because iOS displays more white color than OLED displays.  Further, the OLED display looks more colorful simply because it does not display white colors as much as the iOS.  Take a look of Anroid phones.  You will see they don't display white colors.  And they keep the light intensity down constantly.  Microsoft Windows OS has played this trick too.  
    OLED is far from a gimmick.  I am not certain how IOS displays more white colour than OLED displays.....How an operating system can be compared to a display is baffling.

    Anyway here is a quote in regards to LCD......

    "Scientifically speaking, there’s no individual white light wavelength. White light is a mixture of all other visible colors in the spectrum. Therefore, LCD backlights have to create a pseudo white light as efficiently as possible, which can then be filtered into different colors in the liquid crystal element. Most LCDs rely on a blue LED backlight which is filtered through a yellow phosphor coating, producing a pseudo white light."
    edited May 2016
  • Reply 24 of 29
    crossladcrosslad Posts: 521member
    mike1 said:




    Anybody else wish we could do this on an iPhone 6/6s?

    Yep. And add in mouse support so that I can hook it up to a tv and use it as a desktop replacement like Microsoft continuum. 
  • Reply 25 of 29
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member
    hoodslide said:
    LOL - a link from three years ago.  Rumours of Apple placing a 3 year $2.6 B order with Samsung for 100 M 5.5" OLED panels, if true, would indicate he has changed his mind.   Anand probably whispered in his ear to stop embarrassing himself and to get real.
    domino67techlover
  • Reply 26 of 29
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    domino67 said:
    tzeshan said:
    OLED is a gimmick.  It is not a low-power display.  It consumes more power displaying white.  The LCD uses more power not because it is backlighted.  It is because iOS displays more white color than OLED displays.  Further, the OLED display looks more colorful simply because it does not display white colors as much as the iOS.  Take a look of Anroid phones.  You will see they don't display white colors.  And they keep the light intensity down constantly.  Microsoft Windows OS has played this trick too.  
    OLED is far from a gimmick.  I am not certain how IOS displays more white colour than OLED displays.....How an operating system can be compared to a display is baffling.

    Anyway here is a quote in regards to LCD......

    "Scientifically speaking, there’s no individual white light wavelength. White light is a mixture of all other visible colors in the spectrum. Therefore, LCD backlights have to create a pseudo white light as efficiently as possible, which can then be filtered into different colors in the liquid crystal element. Most LCDs rely on a blue LED backlight which is filtered through a yellow phosphor coating, producing a pseudo white light."
    Samsung has used OLED for most of the thing they had it as a gimmick. On the S3 and S4, OLED was a piece of crap, yet they didn't have any compunction about putting it on their top end phones!!

    Now they're starting to be EXCELLENT after years of being terrible. Yet they still have long time longevity issues and they do use up more power ironically because of they have to have a bigger resolution than an equivalent LCD screen (at least in the case of Samsung) and if you want to see anything in bright light they use up much more power.

    The longevity issue is why its not a major problem in the Apple Watch since the screen is by definition not on most of the day;
  • Reply 27 of 29
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member
    I think you are wrong about the reasons why Samsung's more recent high end phones have such high resolution screens.  The reason is the Gear VR headset.  When using a phone for VR, each eye sees only half of the screen, and that is with the screen magnified by lenses, so in order to get as good an VR image as possible, the screen needs to have as high a pixel density as possible/practicable.

    The 2013 Galaxy Note 3 had a 1080 x 1920 screen.  The following year, Samsung released the S5 in April, but it also had the same resolution, but then in September they released the Note 4 and it had a 1440 x 2560 screen and Samsung also released the first Gear VR headset that could be used with it, but not with the S5.  The S5 has a ppi of 432 - which rules out being able to see individual pixels with the naked eye and is in itself, overkill, so at 515 ppi, the Note 4 screen is way beyond overkill.  Those extra pixels and high ppi are for VR.

    The S7 now has a ppi of 577.
    techlover
  • Reply 28 of 29
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 2,351member
    foggyhill said:
    domino67 said:
    OLED is far from a gimmick.  I am not certain how IOS displays more white colour than OLED displays.....How an operating system can be compared to a display is baffling.

    Anyway here is a quote in regards to LCD......

    "Scientifically speaking, there’s no individual white light wavelength. White light is a mixture of all other visible colors in the spectrum. Therefore, LCD backlights have to create a pseudo white light as efficiently as possible, which can then be filtered into different colors in the liquid crystal element. Most LCDs rely on a blue LED backlight which is filtered through a yellow phosphor coating, producing a pseudo white light."
    Samsung has used OLED for most of the thing they had it as a gimmick. On the S3 and S4, OLED was a piece of crap, yet they didn't have any compunction about putting it on their top end phones!!

    Now they're starting to be EXCELLENT after years of being terrible. Yet they still have long time longevity issues and they do use up more power ironically because of they have to have a bigger resolution than an equivalent LCD screen (at least in the case of Samsung) and if you want to see anything in bright light they use up much more power.

    The longevity issue is why its not a major problem in the Apple Watch since the screen is by definition not on most of the day;
    The color pixels in OLED have a short life.  May be this is the reason why Apple is warning that iPhone has a three years life for support from now on.  This is now good for Apple's reputation of quality. 
  • Reply 29 of 29
    domino67domino67 Posts: 34member
    foggyhill said:
    domino67 said:
    OLED is far from a gimmick.  I am not certain how IOS displays more white colour than OLED displays.....How an operating system can be compared to a display is baffling.

    Anyway here is a quote in regards to LCD......

    "Scientifically speaking, there’s no individual white light wavelength. White light is a mixture of all other visible colors in the spectrum. Therefore, LCD backlights have to create a pseudo white light as efficiently as possible, which can then be filtered into different colors in the liquid crystal element. Most LCDs rely on a blue LED backlight which is filtered through a yellow phosphor coating, producing a pseudo white light."
    Samsung has used OLED for most of the thing they had it as a gimmick. On the S3 and S4, OLED was a piece of crap, yet they didn't have any compunction about putting it on their top end phones!!

    Now they're starting to be EXCELLENT after years of being terrible. Yet they still have long time longevity issues and they do use up more power ironically because of they have to have a bigger resolution than an equivalent LCD screen (at least in the case of Samsung) and if you want to see anything in bright light they use up much more power.

    The longevity issue is why its not a major problem in the Apple Watch since the screen is by definition not on most of the day;
    "Now they're starting to be EXCELLENT"..........EXACTLY....They are excellent which means OLED is not a gimmick.  Thanks for making my point.
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