Here is a thought. Make the phone a little thicker, eliminate the camera bump, double the battery size, and more than double the time between charges with more efficient chips. I don't really care that my phone is the "thinnest ever". The thickness of my 5s is just fine by me but charging every day while I'm backpacking is a pain in the backside.
So, what about all the other people, you want them to have a 25% heaviers phone? The thickness of the 5s on a bigger phone makes it much heavier, on the 6s+ it would be very heavy.
A previous post mentioned some Android phones with large batteries. Apparently it doesn't increase the weight unacceptably.
So, what about all the other people, you want them to have a 25% heaviers phone? The thickness of the 5s on a bigger phone makes it much heavier, on the 6s+ it would be very heavy.
A previous post mentioned some Android phones with large batteries. Apparently it doesn't increase the weight unacceptably.
Most Android phones have bigger batteries and some of those phones are not that much bigger than the 6S because the bezels are smaller. Do Galaxy S7 owners complain that the phone is too heavy?
And still, with larger batteries, those phones still last about the same length of time. 1 day of use.
An absolute lie. Cite your source. I dumped my IP6 for the G7 Edge and the battery is amazing without having to limit usage.
5 hours a day, that ALL I got from Galaxy S7. The weight is acceptable (though I admit I have been spoilt by iPhone 6 lightness), but 5 hours is unacceptable by any standards - unless I switched off many things - which I don't have to with my 8 hours battery life iPhone.
The 6plus battery is very good. It's my #1 reason to buying the plus. It'd be great if the smaller phones had great battery too. But if they wanna keep shrinking the phones and other devices I think it's about time to approach some next generation battery technology.
There are so many promising battery technologies being announced every year, making current technology look pale in comparison in both charging times, charge level, charge cycles, and just about everything. If Apple would bet on a few of them and accellerate development, (perhaps they already are??), I bet they could be ready real soon with a 5x power battery, that never wears out.
Galaxy S7 3000 mAh battery LG G5 2800 mAh battery Xiaomi Mi5 3000 mAh battery HTC 10 3000 mAh battery Huawei P9 3000 mAh battery
It's time for some bigger batteries in iPhones. So yea if this leak turns out to be true.
OK, how's the real battery life? What do those devices weigh? How big are they? Showing one number while ignoring the trade-offs is a terrible way to judge things.
You've been a troll long enough to know that Apple doesn't chase specs the same way other brands do, but let's ignore that, and let's forget that competitors have bigger batteries because they need it to paper over platform inefficiencies.
And still, with larger batteries, those phones still last about the same length of time. 1 day of use.
Not true, that is just what you want to believe. A day is just the TALK time you get with an S7 edge, let alone more normal use.
Comparable iPhone models are also rated for a day of talk time too. But you've already pointed out that's a pretty meaningless number because it's not representative of actual use.
Here is a thought. Make the phone a little thicker, eliminate the camera bump, double the battery size, and more than double the time between charges with more efficient chips. I don't really care that my phone is the "thinnest ever". The thickness of my 5s is just fine by me but charging every day while I'm backpacking is a pain in the backside.
It seems clear that Apple has decided on what they think is acceptable battery life and if they hit that number that's all they care about. With iPads they've decided 9 hours is good enough.
This is just the issue with Apple fanboys, that Apple can do no wrong. I am a heavy Apple user, iPhone 6+, iPad 2, Macbook Retina 15" (will be updating that iPad soon). The supplier should not specify demand, or want the customer wants. The customer has a need and the supplier fills that need, it is simple industrial engineering and marketing. Now, does it mean that Apple throws in a 90% larger battery all at once? Of course not but if customers demand longer battery life, it should be Apple's goal to consistently increase battery life. A 14% bump meets that definition, along with more efficient components, I am hoping to see a 10-20% boost in battery life. This should always be the goal, 10-20% every generation. I think because of the jump in phone size, Apple let the battery improvement stagnant in the name of manageable size and weight but that explanation will not be valid going forward. I understand Apple has its ways of moving forward but being consistent with battery life is not moving forward, especially with all of the uses of an iPhone. Our entire lives revolve around these phones for communication, work, school, etc.. Yet, what good is it if it dies after 6 hours of heavy use? I mean data demanding, music playing, content creating (processor loads, screen always active) demand?
Battery life on the 6+ is great, I can go on a trip and not worry about needing a battery, charger, etc. Apple needs to realize battery life is part of the experience of the device; you know, the thing they are supposed to be supreme at (and are).
It looks like Apple is listening, good for the consumer. Its the only way to keep a loyal fan base, at least the majority, the die-hards will always stay. I just hope with the switch to the OLED and 10nm processor, Apple materializes some of that efficiency gain in the form of another 15-20% gain in battery life.
For the extreme users, a battery case will be a decent alternative for the first time with the smart connector. Current designs are too big.
Not true, that is just what you want to believe. A day is just the TALK time you get with an S7 edge, let alone more normal use.
Comparable iPhone models are also rated for a day of talk time too. But you've already pointed out that's a pretty meaningless number because it's not representative of actual use.
The 6S is rated at 9:41 talk time - the comparably sized S7, 22:57.
GSM arena have a standardised testing protocol so all phones are tested with the same methodology which is intended to reflect realistic usage over a a range of tasks. The S7 they rate as 80hrs and the 6S at 62Hrs. http://www.gsmarena.com/battery-test.php3
But really, most people are buying the S7 edge which is way better again with an 98Hr rating.
It seems clear that Apple has decided on what they think is acceptable battery life and if they hit that number that's all they care about. With iPads they've decided 9 hours is good enough.
This is just the issue with Apple fanboys, that Apple can do no wrong. I am a heavy Apple user, iPhone 6+, iPad 2, Macbook Retina 15" (will be updating that iPad soon). The supplier should not specify demand, or want the customer wants. The customer has a need and the supplier fills that need, it is simple industrial engineering and marketing. Now, does it mean that Apple throws in a 90% larger battery all at once? Of course not but if customers demand longer battery life, it should be Apple's goal to consistently increase battery life. A 14% bump meets that definition, along with more efficient components, I am hoping to see a 10-20% boost in battery life. This should always be the goal, 10-20% every generation. I think because of the jump in phone size, Apple let the battery improvement stagnant in the name of manageable size and weight but that explanation will not be valid going forward. I understand Apple has its ways of moving forward but being consistent with battery life is not moving forward, especially with all of the uses of an iPhone. Our entire lives revolve around these phones for communication, work, school, etc.. Yet, what good is it if it dies after 6 hours of heavy use? I mean data demanding, music playing, content creating (processor loads, screen always active) demand?
Battery life on the 6+ is great, I can go on a trip and not worry about needing a battery, charger, etc. Apple needs to realize battery life is part of the experience of the device; you know, the thing they are supposed to be supreme at (and are).
It looks like Apple is listening, good for the consumer. Its the only way to keep a loyal fan base, at least the majority, the die-hards will always stay. I just hope with the switch to the OLED and 10nm processor, Apple materializes some of that efficiency gain in the form of another 15-20% gain in battery life.
For the extreme users, a battery case will be a decent alternative for the first time with the smart connector. Current designs are too big.
You can save your product ownership litany. I've yet to see anyone here that was impressed by what someone says they own.
What we're saying is that Apple doesn't market on battery mAh/mWh specs because it can do more with less. They've proven this with every generation. Apple battery life does improve with every generation, they just don't have such a singular focus on spec bullet points and matching and beating spec numbers because it's not a good way to develop a quality, cohesive product. Android device makers now know better but they're still clawing at their old ways, kicking and screaming.
The customer has a need and the supplier fills that need, it is simple industrial engineering and marketing.
Henry Ford famously said that if you asked what the customer wanted, they'd say "faster horses". if Apple operated on that model, we might all still be using towers for desktop computers. And might still have mechanical keypads on phones. Tell me, did you rag on Apple for not having mechanical keypads?
Comparable iPhone models are also rated for a day of talk time too. But you've already pointed out that's a pretty meaningless number because it's not representative of actual use.
The 6S is rated at 9:41 talk time - the comparably sized S7, 22:57.
GSM arena have a standardised testing protocol so all phones are tested with the same methodology which is intended to reflect realistic usage over a a range of tasks. The S7 they rate as 80hrs and the 6S at 62Hrs. http://www.gsmarena.com/battery-test.php3
But really, most people are buying the S7 edge which is way better again with an 98Hr rating.
I'm finding the S7 has a screen about half way between 6S and 6S+. Not really a comparable product class. That said, S7 Edge is comparable to 6S+ in screen size.
I understand there's specific testing protocols, what I was saying is that "talk time" doesn't represent actual use. Assuming there's anyone doing this, negligible numbers of people are draining substantial proportions of their battery life by talking on the phone. It's the other uses that drain battery meaningfully.
I maxed out the sliders on that and all the listed Apple phones last 20-24hrs. That's 4hrs of calls, 4hrs of web and 4hrs of video. That's rather heavy use, that person spent half their day looking at a small screen or or with the tiny brick glued to their face. How much more do you really need before it starts to be spec-wagging? I've never killed my iPhone 6S on the worst day. If I forget to charge it at night, I still easily get two day's use. The benefit of alleged three or four day's use seems negligible. Four and up is simply bragging rights, and very unlikely to be of practical benefit except for very extreme edge cases.
jeffdm said: It's the other uses that drain battery meaningfully.
With maybe ten emails read, twenty text messages and answering a dozen or so phone calls of 2-3 minutes each during the day, the battery can last two days on a iPhone 6, but an hour of FaceTime audio over cell network will kill the battery completely. Your mileage may vary.
Here is a thought. Make the phone a little thicker, eliminate the camera bump, double the battery size, and more than double the time between charges with more efficient chips. I don't really care that my phone is the "thinnest ever". The thickness of my 5s is just fine by me but charging every day while I'm backpacking is a pain in the backside.
so I should have a heavier phone because you don't want to use a battery case when backpacking? uhh yeah nice logic.
jeffdm said: It's the other uses that drain battery meaningfully.
With maybe ten emails read, twenty text messages and answering a dozen or so phone calls of 2-3 minutes each during the day, the battery can last two days on a iPhone 6, but an hour of FaceTime audio over cell network will kill the battery completely. Your mileage may vary.
Here is a thought. Make the phone a little thicker, eliminate the camera bump, double the battery size, and more than double the time between charges with more efficient chips. I don't really care that my phone is the "thinnest ever". The thickness of my 5s is just fine by me but charging every day while I'm backpacking is a pain in the backside.
so I should have a heavier phone because you don't want to use a battery case when backpacking? uhh yeah nice logic.
I thought it wasn't a good hike until there was no signal anyway.
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Now, back to your little games.
There are so many promising battery technologies being announced every year, making current technology look pale in comparison in both charging times, charge level, charge cycles, and just about everything. If Apple would bet on a few of them and accellerate development, (perhaps they already are??), I bet they could be ready real soon with a 5x power battery, that never wears out.
Battery life on the 6+ is great, I can go on a trip and not worry about needing a battery, charger, etc. Apple needs to realize battery life is part of the experience of the device; you know, the thing they are supposed to be supreme at (and are).
It looks like Apple is listening, good for the consumer. Its the only way to keep a loyal fan base, at least the majority, the die-hards will always stay. I just hope with the switch to the OLED and 10nm processor, Apple materializes some of that efficiency gain in the form of another 15-20% gain in battery life.
For the extreme users, a battery case will be a decent alternative for the first time with the smart connector. Current designs are too big.
GSM arena have a standardised testing protocol so all phones are tested with the same methodology which is intended to reflect realistic usage over a a range of tasks. The S7 they rate as 80hrs and the 6S at 62Hrs. http://www.gsmarena.com/battery-test.php3
But really, most people are buying the S7 edge which is way better again with an 98Hr rating.
What we're saying is that Apple doesn't market on battery mAh/mWh specs because it can do more with less. They've proven this with every generation. Apple battery life does improve with every generation, they just don't have such a singular focus on spec bullet points and matching and beating spec numbers because it's not a good way to develop a quality, cohesive product. Android device makers now know better but they're still clawing at their old ways, kicking and screaming.
Henry Ford famously said that if you asked what the customer wanted, they'd say "faster horses". if Apple operated on that model, we might all still be using towers for desktop computers. And might still have mechanical keypads on phones. Tell me, did you rag on Apple for not having mechanical keypads?
I'm finding the S7 has a screen about half way between 6S and 6S+. Not really a comparable product class. That said, S7 Edge is comparable to 6S+ in screen size.
I understand there's specific testing protocols, what I was saying is that "talk time" doesn't represent actual use. Assuming there's anyone doing this, negligible numbers of people are draining substantial proportions of their battery life by talking on the phone. It's the other uses that drain battery meaningfully.
I maxed out the sliders on that and all the listed Apple phones last 20-24hrs. That's 4hrs of calls, 4hrs of web and 4hrs of video. That's rather heavy use, that person spent half their day looking at a small screen or or with the tiny brick glued to their face. How much more do you really need before it starts to be spec-wagging? I've never killed my iPhone 6S on the worst day. If I forget to charge it at night, I still easily get two day's use. The benefit of alleged three or four day's use seems negligible. Four and up is simply bragging rights, and very unlikely to be of practical benefit except for very extreme edge cases.
Not buying your example.