Battery Technology

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in Future Apple Hardware edited January 2014
I've read something disconcerting. I was reading a PC mag today, forget its name... Maximum PC? It's a gamier's mag, really. If any of you have read the latest issue, it's the one with the ALienware and the Apple CInema HD display.



ANywhoo, there was an article on current battery technology.



I've been given the impression that the Lithium-Polymer battereis are the best things going. Light, bendy, and energy dense. Now it seems that they're only light and bendy.

The article said that the polymer batteries fall far short of deivering the same whallop as the LIthium Ion batteries. I dunno if that's by eight or by volume (probably loses in both).



How is it that the iPod manages 10 hours of playtime with a battery that doens't carry a fanatastic amount of energy? I thought that most of the space in that smaller-than-a-deck of cards packagte was HD. Maybe I was wrong. Hmm.....



Anywhoo, there was a bunch of battery techs listed in the article. Most were useless in electronics, but three energy-stroage mechanisms were mentioned that were promising for use in electronics in the next ten years or so.



Lithium Ion

Lithium Polymer

Hydrogen Fuel Cell (not a battery - must be refueled)



Are there other types of energy storage units useful in electronics that might come out soon? Please, no anitimatter or direct-mass-to-energy conversion please. ALthough that would be pretty cool. General Whoodnow's bridge plunges into darkness because his son unplugged the Battleship's Energy Unit to recharge his 100 TB iPod.



Any ideas? Zinc oxidation batteries? N+5/N-5 pair fuels, rechargable at any electric outlet? Ideas?
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  • Reply 1 of 24
    cindercinder Posts: 381member
    Uhm.



    As a note.

    the iPod manages 10+ battery hours because all it does is spin a small hard drive once in a while, decode mp3s and power a tiny little OS.



    Powerbooks have . . . a bit more drain.
  • Reply 2 of 24
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    Is heat an issue? I know LiIon and manganese AA batteries run hotter than alkalines and NiMH AA batteries...
  • Reply 3 of 24
    NiCad batteries!!!



    Just kidding.



    I like the hydrogen fuel cell idea, though. Until you drop it and it explodes.
  • Reply 4 of 24
    jasonppjasonpp Posts: 308member
    There has been extensive work on hydrogen sponges. These hold lots of hydrogen gas within a solid without the high pressure of tanks.



    This was before 20cm carbon nanotubes, which are the perfect size for pressurized laptop hydrogen tanks, and have over 150 Gigapascals of strength (not sure if that's the right way to say that, and material engineers here?)



    I think the hydrogen fuel cell will be the power source of choice for future electronics.



    Wheather the hydrogen in used in a micro or nano turbine array or a solid state exchange memberane has still to be decided, I think a month of cell phone use before a 2 second recharge and only water emission sounds great to me.
  • Reply 5 of 24
    neutrino23neutrino23 Posts: 1,562member
    Another possibility is the Aluminum-Air fuel cell.

    <a href="http://www.trimolgroup.com/index.html"; target="_blank">http://www.trimolgroup.com/index.html</a>;

    Also look at aluminum-power's web site.

    They claim they will make a cell with about four times the capacity of the current powerbook battery. Instead of recharging it with elecricity you would simply slip in a new piece of aluminum.
  • Reply 6 of 24
    jasonppjasonpp Posts: 308member
    Very neat.



    I found this a while back, paper batteries!



    <a href="http://www.powerpaper.com"; target="_blank">http://www.powerpaper.com</a>;
  • Reply 7 of 24
    cdhostagecdhostage Posts: 1,038member
    <a href="http://www.coolchips.com/"; target="_blank">http://www.coolchips.com/</a>;









    Regular Peltiers generate electricity if one side is cooled or warmed will this do it?



    Hmm.... top tuern it on, just touch it.
  • Reply 8 of 24
    scott f.scott f. Posts: 276member
    [quote]Originally posted by cinder:

    <strong>Uhm.



    As a note.

    the iPod manages 10+ battery hours because all it does is spin a small hard drive once in a while, decode mp3s and power a tiny little OS.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    One major omission from you list of power-drains...



    Amplifier! Albeit small, it does take a good amount of juice to convert and amplify the signal into the analog world and drive you headphones.



    The louder you listen, the faster the battery dies.



    Hence, if you DO run your iPod through a powered system, turn down your iPod to about 1/2 to 1/3rd volume and let the POWERED system do most of the amplification. Sure, it introduces a "little" noise... but then again, .MP3s aren't exactly high-fidelity.



  • Reply 9 of 24
    jasonppjasonpp Posts: 308member
    Just because you can stick a few thousand volts into a pickle to get a home made light bulb, doesn't mean you can cover your roof with Polski Orgorki and say goodbye to brownouts.. OR DOES IT?







    I wonder if the cool chips could be used to generate electricity.. That would be really... cool?
  • Reply 10 of 24
    cdhostagecdhostage Posts: 1,038member
    Brain melting.... oh god.... it's 11 o ****ing clock and it is 96 degrees and 63 % humidity.
  • Reply 11 of 24
    Why not use the human magnetic field? Yeah, maybe in a few decades.



    More seriously, hydrogen fuel cells will definitely be the wave of the future in electrical technology. Wouldn't it be great? Recharge your PowerBook and have a drink! I commend Toyota for being the first to come out with a consumer use for something like this. I hope computer companies, especially Apple (I've been waiting FOREVER for the perfect PowerBook), follow suit quickly.
  • Reply 12 of 24
    mrbilldatamrbilldata Posts: 489member
    Gee I can see it now...



    I open up my laptop for EL-AL security and it starts to leak. :eek:



    I hope that I would still be alive to explain why my laptop is leaking. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />



    I'll stick with my two solar panels thankyou very much. They don't produce any emissions either. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />



    1394b Layered on 802.11e is the future



    [ 07-05-2002: Message edited by: MrBillData ]</p>
  • Reply 13 of 24
    cdhostagecdhostage Posts: 1,038member
    I just read about GM's project in Wired. Why use gasonline? STupid people./



    Oh, right. More si8lly ways of powering things....



    Distributing power via raqdio waves! Yeah baby! Have a tower set up in each town, broadcasting government messages at 10 megawatts. You have to see the messages in the bottom hal odf the screen in order to use the free power.



    Miniature nuclear reactors.



    Thermoelectricity from the spinning hard drive. Who cares about thermodynamics?
  • Reply 14 of 24
    nemnem Posts: 45member
    My instant reaction is that the magazine is completely wrong.



    The Li-Polymer is superior to the Li-ion batteries. Of that I am absolutely certain, at least when we are talking small batteries. Small meaning both in size (like the one in the ipod or any mobile phone) and in capacity (eg less than 1Ah).



    For car batteries Li-ion might be better, of that I don't know, but how much does that matter for the iPod?
  • Reply 15 of 24
    [quote]Originally posted by MrBillData:

    <strong>I'll stick with my two solar panels thankyou very much. They don't produce any emissions either.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Unfortunately that's false. Photovoltaic's take more energy to manufacture than you get out of them in their useful lifetime. If you're "on the grid", and use PVs, you're burning more fossil fuel (and MORE emissions) than plugging in to the wall. PVs only benefit comes when not near a powersource to charge.
  • Reply 16 of 24
    dstranathandstranathan Posts: 1,717member
    ...All I know is my girlfriend is always buying "D" batteries. I have no idea what she is using them for. I swear she buys a few D's every week! Weird! What is going on with her?
  • Reply 17 of 24
    spartspart Posts: 2,060member
    Either a vibrator or a portable stereo. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
  • Reply 18 of 24
    ludwigvanludwigvan Posts: 458member
    [quote]Originally posted by Spart:

    <strong>Either a vibrator or a portable stereo. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>



    With the size of a D-cell battery, that would have to be one big-- uh, portable stereo. Yeah. Stereo. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
  • Reply 19 of 24
    chychchych Posts: 860member
    Anyone know how long Li-Poly batteries last? Li-Ion batteries do not last long, as many of us know (powerbook batteries dying...) but since the iPod has an unreplacable Li-Poly battery, one would hope it lasts pretty long... Wasn't this one of the issues with the iPod?
  • Reply 20 of 24
    cdhostagecdhostage Posts: 1,038member
    Tell your girlfirend to get recharables for her... stereo.



    Her... enjoyment shouldn't put lead (common battery material) into the vast unspoilt garbage dumps of America. Who are we kidding? There should be designated "**** this place" areas where stuff can be dumped. Make sure that water cdoesn't carry shit out of the place, and place you garbage miles high.



    Then when we develop nanotechnology, we can mine the garbage for interesting atoms. I wqonder how much platnium there is in a ton of used catalytic convertyers?
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