IÂ?m not going to reply by writing you a book; however, I have no interest in getting into a pissing contest with you.Â* You are correct that Lord Abbot & co. own the most shares of (public) Apple stock.Â* Preferred stock however may be owned by individuals, and in rare cases, some small companies, usually not major corporations.Â* The preferred stock that Bill Gates purchased from Apple, more so Steve Jobs himself when he took over as Â?CEOÂ? in 1997, he wasnÂ?t really CEO as you know but he was viewed as such by many circles for some time.Â* The large stock purchase of stock was dismissed as a temporary loan and wasnÂ?t paid much attention.Â* Honestly I have not idea whether Bill Gates has anything to do with Apple today because preferred stock owned by individuals are classified and not revealed to the public.Â* You did mention however that 1985 was Apples best year; this canÂ?t be further from the truth.
Â*
1985-1993
Sculley became the de facto head of Apple in May 1985. Over the next few months, Apple was forced to lay off a fifth of its work force, some 1,200 employees. The company also posted its first quarterly loss. All this, and the resignation of Jobs, served to erode confidence in Sculley's abilities as CEO of Apple.
At the same time, Sculley became locked in a battle with Microsoft's Bill Gates over the introduction of Windows 1.0, which had many similarities to the Mac GUI. Gates finally agreed to sign a statement to the effect that Microsoft would not use Mac technology in Windows 1.0--it said nothing of future versions of Windows, and Gates' lawyers made sure it was airtight. Apple had effectively lost exclusive rights to its interface design. This would prove to be an important document in future lawsuits between Apple and Microsoft, involving the Windows interface.
What brought Mac out of the hole were the twin introductions of the LaserWriter, the first affordable PostScript laser printer for the Mac, and PageMaker, one of the first Desktop Publishing programs ever. These two in tandem made the Mac an ideal solution for inexpensive publishing, and the Mac became an overnight success, again.
In 1987, Apple introduced the Mac II. Built with expandablity in mind, the Mac II made the Macintosh line a viable, powerful family of computers. Apple was a "Wall Street darling" again, (Rolling Stone) shipping 50,000 Macs a month. It seemed in 1989 that Windows would be a flop, and the Mac would be riding high for the next decade.
It didn't. By 1990 the market was saturated with PC-clones of every conceivable configuration, and Apple was the only company selling Macs. In late May, Microsoft rolled out Windows 3.0, which could run on virtually all of the PC-clones in the world. Apple was in trouble.
Apple's top idea for a solution was to license the Mac OS. While many believed it would erode the quality of the Mac, or that it would create even more competition, it was becoming clear that Apple could not provide both the hardware and the software to drive an industry. There was also talk of porting the OS to run on Intel-based machines.
It was Michael Spindler, Apple's new COO, who nixed the idea, saying that it was "too late to license."
In late 1991, Apple released its first generation of PowerBooks, which were an instant success. Work was being done on a new type of computer, the Personal Digital Assistant (PDA), which Apple called theNewton. Sculley took an immediate interest in the Newton, and drove the Newton to completion in August 1993. The first generation of Newtons had extremely poor hand-writing recognition (2.1 MB), and did not sell particularly well.
Sculley began to lose interest in the day to day operations of Apple. Eventually the Apple Board of Directors decided they'd had enough. In June of 1993, They relieved Sculley of his position as CEO, putting Spindler in the big chair. Sculley remained with the company as chairman for several months and then resigned.
As much as IÂ?d love to continue this feud, I just donÂ?t have time.Â* I understand that you love MacÂ?s and thatÂ?s wonderful for you, but you have to wonder why all the Mac users on the internet have support groups.Â* You take everything about MacÂ?s as a personal offense. Â*People donÂ?t buy PCÂ?s because theyÂ?re better than MacÂ?s, they buy them because nobody knows if Mac will be around in 2 years.Â* Mac is a better machine, but, such is life.
If you want to act like a child, thatÂ?s fine, because from what I can see thatÂ?s what you are, and by the way, without Â?sleazy salespeopleÂ? Mac would have gone down the toilet years ago.Â* I understand that you may have been excited when you wrote this e-mail, but if you ever talk about my family, or that they should have given me a hug when I was little, I will hunt you down and beat you so badly, you wonÂ?t recognize yourself in the mirror.Â* I hope I have made myself clear.
Â*
Josh
Eesh. Apparently, my gf told me later, he HAS come from a really ****ed up family (father beat him and his mother the entire time and then finally died of a crack overdose..... whoops!) and I felt bad about that. But his threat at the end pissed me off again. (I'm Portuguese! I can't help but get into a pissing contest!)
Josh,
That article you sent me proves nothing. You've lost your own point, Josh, so explain it to me again. I am aware of what happened in 1985, and you're right: it was the original Macintosh in 1984 that was the successful product and it was during that year that Apple sold the most. Your original points (BG owning 57% of APPL, public or not, and that BG personally bailed Apple out personally, as well as some other BS) have been refuted. The original 'history lesson' was a short, short, short version so Sasha can understand why Microsoft bought 150 million worth of non-voting stock, which, I'm assuming, you misunderstood as Bill Gates 'bailing Apple out in the early 90s.' Such mistakes are understandable, but your adamant position, ridiculous conclusions, and amazingly illogical use of logic resulted in the downward spiral of our debate.
As far as Macs going out of business in two years, Josh, they've been saying that since 1985. It's not gonna happen, especially now with MacOS X gaining much needed ground and popularity. (Check it out: <a href="http://www.apple.com/macosx"; target="_blank">www.apple.com/macosx</a> and <a href="http://www.apple.com/switch"; target="_blank">www.apple.com/switch</a> ). But that's another debate.
As far as your education, job position, and family are concerned, I knew NOTHING about them when I emailed you, and I said what I said because that's what it sounded. You SOUND like most of the arrogant, know-nothing sales people I've met and still have to deal with, that's how I correctly guessed what you did. You SOUND like your fresh out of college, thinking you know EVERYTHING, ready to take on the world, and that's why I said what I said. And lastly, I mentioned the family thing because it's been my experience that the more people talk shit, talk big, and have a condescending, I'm always right attitude is because they didn't have much growing up, including attention. So, just because I had you sized up and pegged just by reading HOW you replied and the tone of your replies, doesn't make me wrong, does it? No, no it doesn't. And it sure doesn't change anything, does it? No, no it doesn't.
And Josh? I'm not gonna resort to threats, like you did. I don't have to. I have nothing else to say because I've already proved that you're a bullshitting, sales weasel who talks out his neck about things they don't understand. Sasha has seen you for what you are...... but then again, her eyes opened a while ago when she decided she didn't want to marry you, isn't that right, Josh? I also understand the anger resulting from the fact that I nailed a lot of aspects about you, including some unmentionables, but you don't have to bark so loud, little puppy. I didn't even know who you were until you told me, and, now that I know, feel kinda bad for saying what I said, considering. But, Josh, truly, try not to make yourself so transparent, okay? And like I said: try not to bark so loud, because one day you might attract the attention of a dog much bigger than yourself, one who might not be quite as understanding or as patient as me. Just a little advice..... between friends and all.
[quote]Sasha has seen you for what you are...... but then again, her eyes opened a while ago when she decided she didn't want to marry you, isn't that right, Josh? I also understand the anger resulting from the fact that I nailed a lot of aspects about you, including some unmentionables, but you don't have to bark so loud, little puppy.<hr></blockquote>
Hmm. Felt like getting into a brawl this weekend, huh?
Choose two of the following word for you follow up action:
Brick, Head, Window, 2x4, Taser, Croch
Oh yeah, drag this person to an apple store and tie them up in front of the theater...also, tell your girlfriend that everyone on these message boards have been using macs for very long time and we are biz-omb! <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
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IÂ?m not going to reply by writing you a book; however, I have no interest in getting into a pissing contest with you.Â* You are correct that Lord Abbot & co. own the most shares of (public) Apple stock.Â* Preferred stock however may be owned by individuals, and in rare cases, some small companies, usually not major corporations.Â* The preferred stock that Bill Gates purchased from Apple, more so Steve Jobs himself when he took over as Â?CEOÂ? in 1997, he wasnÂ?t really CEO as you know but he was viewed as such by many circles for some time.Â* The large stock purchase of stock was dismissed as a temporary loan and wasnÂ?t paid much attention.Â* Honestly I have not idea whether Bill Gates has anything to do with Apple today because preferred stock owned by individuals are classified and not revealed to the public.Â* You did mention however that 1985 was Apples best year; this canÂ?t be further from the truth.
Â*
1985-1993
Sculley became the de facto head of Apple in May 1985. Over the next few months, Apple was forced to lay off a fifth of its work force, some 1,200 employees. The company also posted its first quarterly loss. All this, and the resignation of Jobs, served to erode confidence in Sculley's abilities as CEO of Apple.
At the same time, Sculley became locked in a battle with Microsoft's Bill Gates over the introduction of Windows 1.0, which had many similarities to the Mac GUI. Gates finally agreed to sign a statement to the effect that Microsoft would not use Mac technology in Windows 1.0--it said nothing of future versions of Windows, and Gates' lawyers made sure it was airtight. Apple had effectively lost exclusive rights to its interface design. This would prove to be an important document in future lawsuits between Apple and Microsoft, involving the Windows interface.
What brought Mac out of the hole were the twin introductions of the LaserWriter, the first affordable PostScript laser printer for the Mac, and PageMaker, one of the first Desktop Publishing programs ever. These two in tandem made the Mac an ideal solution for inexpensive publishing, and the Mac became an overnight success, again.
In 1987, Apple introduced the Mac II. Built with expandablity in mind, the Mac II made the Macintosh line a viable, powerful family of computers. Apple was a "Wall Street darling" again, (Rolling Stone) shipping 50,000 Macs a month. It seemed in 1989 that Windows would be a flop, and the Mac would be riding high for the next decade.
It didn't. By 1990 the market was saturated with PC-clones of every conceivable configuration, and Apple was the only company selling Macs. In late May, Microsoft rolled out Windows 3.0, which could run on virtually all of the PC-clones in the world. Apple was in trouble.
Apple's top idea for a solution was to license the Mac OS. While many believed it would erode the quality of the Mac, or that it would create even more competition, it was becoming clear that Apple could not provide both the hardware and the software to drive an industry. There was also talk of porting the OS to run on Intel-based machines.
It was Michael Spindler, Apple's new COO, who nixed the idea, saying that it was "too late to license."
In late 1991, Apple released its first generation of PowerBooks, which were an instant success. Work was being done on a new type of computer, the Personal Digital Assistant (PDA), which Apple called theNewton. Sculley took an immediate interest in the Newton, and drove the Newton to completion in August 1993. The first generation of Newtons had extremely poor hand-writing recognition (2.1 MB), and did not sell particularly well.
Sculley began to lose interest in the day to day operations of Apple. Eventually the Apple Board of Directors decided they'd had enough. In June of 1993, They relieved Sculley of his position as CEO, putting Spindler in the big chair. Sculley remained with the company as chairman for several months and then resigned.
As much as IÂ?d love to continue this feud, I just donÂ?t have time.Â* I understand that you love MacÂ?s and thatÂ?s wonderful for you, but you have to wonder why all the Mac users on the internet have support groups.Â* You take everything about MacÂ?s as a personal offense. Â*People donÂ?t buy PCÂ?s because theyÂ?re better than MacÂ?s, they buy them because nobody knows if Mac will be around in 2 years.Â* Mac is a better machine, but, such is life.
If you want to act like a child, thatÂ?s fine, because from what I can see thatÂ?s what you are, and by the way, without Â?sleazy salespeopleÂ? Mac would have gone down the toilet years ago.Â* I understand that you may have been excited when you wrote this e-mail, but if you ever talk about my family, or that they should have given me a hug when I was little, I will hunt you down and beat you so badly, you wonÂ?t recognize yourself in the mirror.Â* I hope I have made myself clear.
Â*
Josh
Eesh. Apparently, my gf told me later, he HAS come from a really ****ed up family (father beat him and his mother the entire time and then finally died of a crack overdose..... whoops!) and I felt bad about that. But his threat at the end pissed me off again. (I'm Portuguese! I can't help but get into a pissing contest!)
Josh,
That article you sent me proves nothing. You've lost your own point, Josh, so explain it to me again. I am aware of what happened in 1985, and you're right: it was the original Macintosh in 1984 that was the successful product and it was during that year that Apple sold the most. Your original points (BG owning 57% of APPL, public or not, and that BG personally bailed Apple out personally, as well as some other BS) have been refuted. The original 'history lesson' was a short, short, short version so Sasha can understand why Microsoft bought 150 million worth of non-voting stock, which, I'm assuming, you misunderstood as Bill Gates 'bailing Apple out in the early 90s.' Such mistakes are understandable, but your adamant position, ridiculous conclusions, and amazingly illogical use of logic resulted in the downward spiral of our debate.
As far as Macs going out of business in two years, Josh, they've been saying that since 1985. It's not gonna happen, especially now with MacOS X gaining much needed ground and popularity. (Check it out: <a href="http://www.apple.com/macosx"; target="_blank">www.apple.com/macosx</a> and <a href="http://www.apple.com/switch"; target="_blank">www.apple.com/switch</a> ). But that's another debate.
As far as your education, job position, and family are concerned, I knew NOTHING about them when I emailed you, and I said what I said because that's what it sounded. You SOUND like most of the arrogant, know-nothing sales people I've met and still have to deal with, that's how I correctly guessed what you did. You SOUND like your fresh out of college, thinking you know EVERYTHING, ready to take on the world, and that's why I said what I said. And lastly, I mentioned the family thing because it's been my experience that the more people talk shit, talk big, and have a condescending, I'm always right attitude is because they didn't have much growing up, including attention. So, just because I had you sized up and pegged just by reading HOW you replied and the tone of your replies, doesn't make me wrong, does it? No, no it doesn't. And it sure doesn't change anything, does it? No, no it doesn't.
And Josh? I'm not gonna resort to threats, like you did. I don't have to. I have nothing else to say because I've already proved that you're a bullshitting, sales weasel who talks out his neck about things they don't understand. Sasha has seen you for what you are...... but then again, her eyes opened a while ago when she decided she didn't want to marry you, isn't that right, Josh? I also understand the anger resulting from the fact that I nailed a lot of aspects about you, including some unmentionables, but you don't have to bark so loud, little puppy. I didn't even know who you were until you told me, and, now that I know, feel kinda bad for saying what I said, considering. But, Josh, truly, try not to make yourself so transparent, okay? And like I said: try not to bark so loud, because one day you might attract the attention of a dog much bigger than yourself, one who might not be quite as understanding or as patient as me. Just a little advice..... between friends and all.
Good day.
mike
Hmm. Felt like getting into a brawl this weekend, huh?
If not, why not just leave it alone dude.
Brick, Head, Window, 2x4, Taser, Croch
Oh yeah, drag this person to an apple store and tie them up in front of the theater...also, tell your girlfriend that everyone on these message boards have been using macs for very long time and we are biz-omb! <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
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Hmm. Felt like getting into a brawl this weekend, huh?
If not, why not just leave it alone dude.</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> Perhaps that *was* a bit much.