macxpress said: Give it a rest...if there were a legal issue with this he and all the others doing this would have been asked not to do it anymore and it would have been stopped months ago.
Fine, but there is a reason they do this on Sundays when there is no one there to report it. I've never seen one campus flyover with anyone in sight.
macxpress said: Give it a rest...if there were a legal issue with this he and all the others doing this would have been asked not to do it anymore and it would have been stopped months ago.
Fine, but there is a reason they do this on Sundays when there is no one there to report it. I've never seen one campus flyover with anyone in sight.
If the drone is lower than the top of the cranes, then what's the problem? No one wants to take the responsibility for making a bad decision in case something happens, but the initial drone rules err greatly on the side of safety in sometimes absurd ways. The real question is whether the drone, at any time, is in any flight, takeoff or landing path and whether there's any chance for a conflict. To say that you can't use a drone below 200 feet is ridiculous, IMO, except immediately adjacent to an airport.
They better get their asses moving if this is supposed to be done by the end of the year. Yes, its coming together, but there is still a shitload of work to do. I'd say they won't move in until next spring.
Agreed. This is not being completed in the next 90 days. If every building was already completely finished in every regard, you couldn't even get all the landscaping done in the next 90 days. Everyone needs to get real. And 12,000 people aren't moving in at once. This will happen over a long period of time, perhaps as long as a year.
macxpress said: Give it a rest...if there were a legal issue with this he and all the others doing this would have been asked not to do it anymore and it would have been stopped months ago.
Fine, but there is a reason they do this on Sundays when there is no one there to report it. I've never seen one campus flyover with anyone in sight.
What is there to report? If you take away our disagreement of whether or not its restrictive airspace, there is nothing illegal. Apple doesn't own the airspace above Campus 2.
My compliments to MRVIDEOGRAPHY. Moderately long flight, smooth panning, stable, and no FAA violations! (Unless there's an airport nearby that you didn't talk to...)
My compliments to MRVIDEOGRAPHY. Moderately long flight, smooth panning, stable, and no FAA violations! (Unless there's an airport nearby that you didn't talk to...)
I'm curious ... what UAV did you use?
It's a DJI Phantom 3 Professional. It's in the YouTube video description.
They better get their asses moving if this is supposed to be done by the end of the year. Yes, its coming together, but there is still a shitload of work to do. I'd say they won't move in until next spring.
Agreed. This is not being completed in the next 90 days. If every building was already completely finished in every regard, you couldn't even get all the landscaping done in the next 90 days. Everyone needs to get real. And 12,000 people aren't moving in at once. This will happen over a long period of time, perhaps as long as a year.
Looking at the photos it looks like the first building, the spaceship, might be ready by Feb-March 2017. They may be able to shorten this by using off site construction of things like washroom pods and fast track installation of services. For the rest of the site with on at least one building the columns just starting to come out of the ground I would estimate we are looking at the very end of 2017 before all buildings on site are completed. By the way, are there any issues over the weather in relation to timing of landscaping works or can planting be done all year around?
They better get their asses moving if this is supposed to be done by the end of the year. Yes, its coming together, but there is still a shitload of work to do. I'd say they won't move in until next spring.
Agreed. This is not being completed in the next 90 days. If every building was already completely finished in every regard, you couldn't even get all the landscaping done in the next 90 days. Everyone needs to get real. And 12,000 people aren't moving in at once. This will happen over a long period of time, perhaps as long as a year.
Looking at the photos it looks like the first building, the spaceship, might be ready by Feb-March 2017. They may be able to shorten this by using off site construction of things like washroom pods and fast track installation of services. For the rest of the site with on at least one building the columns just starting to come out of the ground I would estimate we are looking at the very end of 2017 before all buildings on site are completed. By the way, are there any issues over the weather in relation to timing of landscaping works or can planting be done all year around?
Why are you expecting a delay in Apple's timeframe?
This looks really cool. I can't help thinking though, that Apple really, really needs to come out with some really cool new computers and some other ground breaking stuff for which Apple is famous before this monument is officially opened, or it look like the worst kind of hubris. It risks becoming a classic symbol of fiddling and indulgence while the company mission decays.
They better get their asses moving if this is supposed to be done by the end of the year. Yes, its coming together, but there is still a shitload of work to do. I'd say they won't move in until next spring.
Agreed. This is not being completed in the next 90 days. If every building was already completely finished in every regard, you couldn't even get all the landscaping done in the next 90 days. Everyone needs to get real. And 12,000 people aren't moving in at once. This will happen over a long period of time, perhaps as long as a year.
Looking at the photos it looks like the first building, the spaceship, might be ready by Feb-March 2017. They may be able to shorten this by using off site construction of things like washroom pods and fast track installation of services. For the rest of the site with on at least one building the columns just starting to come out of the ground I would estimate we are looking at the very end of 2017 before all buildings on site are completed. By the way, are there any issues over the weather in relation to timing of landscaping works or can planting be done all year around?
Why are you expecting a delay in Apple's timeframe?
Um because it doesn't look anywhere near ready to move in. Even if you take away the landscaping which could easily be going on as employees move in there's a ton of work to do still. There's still parts of the building that aren't covered with a roof yet.
However, all it takes are more workers and you can get a lot can get done in a little amount of time if someone complains enough.
If you take away our disagreement of whether or not its restrictive airspace, there is nothing illegal. Apple doesn't own the airspace above Campus 2.
You disagree with your own map. As the legend states the orange zone is the 5 mile radius within which is the spaceship campus. The brown area that you mistakenly identified as the 5 mile radius is actually a temporary flight restriction for a few hours tomorrow during a football game. Go back to your map and try to understand it. You are just flat out wrong but refuse to admit it.
Although there are clear cut laws about flying at high altitude over private property, laws regarding low altitude are not so clear, however in this video the drone was flying below the roof line in very close proximity to the structure which if not against the law it should be without the property owners permission.
I'm not taking a position against drone owners. I own a drone as well. I also don't think the person who shot This video was inherently being careless, but laws are written not for the best case scenario but as reasonable protection if something goes wrong such as the pilot loosing control and the drone, exceeding the range of sight or wifi. I know some models have protection for that scenario but not all and especially not the cheap ones that a novice might be flying.
Nice video, but looking at the map it appears that Mathew Roberts' drone was flying in restricted airspace (within 5 miles of San José International Airport), although it is possible that he got permission from the control tower and Apple, but I doubt it.
It's further than you think - closer to 10 miles than it is to 5. Glad to see the videos continuing to be shot.
They better get their asses moving if this is supposed to be done by the end of the year. Yes, its coming together, but there is still a shitload of work to do. I'd say they won't move in until next spring.
Agreed. This is not being completed in the next 90 days. If every building was already completely finished in every regard, you couldn't even get all the landscaping done in the next 90 days. Everyone needs to get real. And 12,000 people aren't moving in at once. This will happen over a long period of time, perhaps as long as a year.
Looking at the photos it looks like the first building, the spaceship, might be ready by Feb-March 2017. They may be able to shorten this by using off site construction of things like washroom pods and fast track installation of services. For the rest of the site with on at least one building the columns just starting to come out of the ground I would estimate we are looking at the very end of 2017 before all buildings on site are completed. By the way, are there any issues over the weather in relation to timing of landscaping works or can planting be done all year around?
Why are you expecting a delay in Apple's timeframe?
Um because it doesn't look anywhere near ready to move in. Even if you take away the landscaping which could easily be going on as employees move in there's a ton of work to do still. There's still parts of the building that aren't covered with a roof yet.
However, all it takes are more workers and you can get a lot can get done in a little amount of time if someone complains enough.
I'm not understanding your points. Landscaping has already started, which is earlier than I would have expected, but zero landscaping needs to be accomplished for having some employees setting up shop. Are you under the impression that they would get dirty walking from the parking structure next to the highway to the main facility? if so, you should know there is plenty of parking underneath the ring.
I can't even begin to understand your reasoning for needing the entire structure to have a roof before a single team of employees could move into any part of this massive structure on a single floor. No one is saying that they need to be moved to the top floor of the small part of the structure without a roof.
Let's remember that Apple does R&D, and while they do have a special facility for R&D, there are plenty of departments where engineering employees will need to be onsite to help install various equipment to finalize a section or room. This could take a little time or a lot of time, depending on the complexity of that project, but regardless of the situation it will take some time with the employees onsite. For example, many of the IT employees at 1 Infinite Loop will need to set up at Campus 2 to get the servers and networking equipment installed. They will have contractor setup the office furniture, computers, phones, remove all the associated trash, but they will still have to test the network. They might already be on site for their day-to-day work to get the server rooms situated.
So tell me again why one part of the top floor not being completely finished means that one section of the first floor can't be utilized a single Apple employee.
They better get their asses moving if this is supposed to be done by the end of the year. Yes, its coming together, but there is still a shitload of work to do. I'd say they won't move in until next spring.
Agreed. This is not being completed in the next 90 days. If every building was already completely finished in every regard, you couldn't even get all the landscaping done in the next 90 days. Everyone needs to get real. And 12,000 people aren't moving in at once. This will happen over a long period of time, perhaps as long as a year.
Looking at the photos it looks like the first building, the spaceship, might be ready by Feb-March 2017. They may be able to shorten this by using off site construction of things like washroom pods and fast track installation of services. For the rest of the site with on at least one building the columns just starting to come out of the ground I would estimate we are looking at the very end of 2017 before all buildings on site are completed. By the way, are there any issues over the weather in relation to timing of landscaping works or can planting be done all year around?
Why are you expecting a delay in Apple's timeframe?
Um because it doesn't look anywhere near ready to move in. Even if you take away the landscaping which could easily be going on as employees move in there's a ton of work to do still. There's still parts of the building that aren't covered with a roof yet.
However, all it takes are more workers and you can get a lot can get done in a little amount of time if someone complains enough.
I'm not understanding your points. Landscaping has already started, which is earlier than I would have expected, but zero landscaping needs to be accomplished for having some employees setting up shop. Are you under the impression that they would get dirty walking from the parking structure next to the highway to the main facility? if so, you should know there is plenty of parking underneath the ring.
I can't even begin to understand your reasoning for needing the entire structure to have a roof before a single team of employees could move into any part of this massive structure on a single floor. No one is saying that they need to be moved to the top floor of the small part of the structure without a roof.
Let's remember that Apple does R&D, and while they do have a special facility for R&D, there are plenty of departments where engineering employees will need to be onsite to help install various equipment to finalize a section or room. This could take a little time or a lot of time, depending on the complexity of that project, but regardless of the situation it will take some time with the employees onsite. For example, many of the IT employees at 1 Infinite Loop will need to set up at Campus 2 to get the servers and networking equipment installed. They will have contractor setup the office furniture, computers, phones, remove all the associated trash, but they will still have to test the network. They might already be on site for their day-to-day work to get the server rooms situated.
So tell me again why one part of the top floor not being completely finished means that one section of the first floor can't be utilized a single Apple employee.
Unless Apple gets a certificate of occupancy then nobody can move in. Whether or not the city of Cupertino will give Apple a certificate of occupancy while the building is under construction is up for debate. You can't just move in whenever you feel like it....
They better get their asses moving if this is supposed to be done by the end of the year. Yes, its coming together, but there is still a shitload of work to do. I'd say they won't move in until next spring.
Agreed. This is not being completed in the next 90 days. If every building was already completely finished in every regard, you couldn't even get all the landscaping done in the next 90 days. Everyone needs to get real. And 12,000 people aren't moving in at once. This will happen over a long period of time, perhaps as long as a year.
Looking at the photos it looks like the first building, the spaceship, might be ready by Feb-March 2017. They may be able to shorten this by using off site construction of things like washroom pods and fast track installation of services. For the rest of the site with on at least one building the columns just starting to come out of the ground I would estimate we are looking at the very end of 2017 before all buildings on site are completed. By the way, are there any issues over the weather in relation to timing of landscaping works or can planting be done all year around?
Why are you expecting a delay in Apple's timeframe?
Um because it doesn't look anywhere near ready to move in. Even if you take away the landscaping which could easily be going on as employees move in there's a ton of work to do still. There's still parts of the building that aren't covered with a roof yet.
However, all it takes are more workers and you can get a lot can get done in a little amount of time if someone complains enough.
I'm not understanding your points. Landscaping has already started, which is earlier than I would have expected, but zero landscaping needs to be accomplished for having some employees setting up shop. Are you under the impression that they would get dirty walking from the parking structure next to the highway to the main facility? if so, you should know there is plenty of parking underneath the ring.
I can't even begin to understand your reasoning for needing the entire structure to have a roof before a single team of employees could move into any part of this massive structure on a single floor. No one is saying that they need to be moved to the top floor of the small part of the structure without a roof.
Let's remember that Apple does R&D, and while they do have a special facility for R&D, there are plenty of departments where engineering employees will need to be onsite to help install various equipment to finalize a section or room. This could take a little time or a lot of time, depending on the complexity of that project, but regardless of the situation it will take some time with the employees onsite. For example, many of the IT employees at 1 Infinite Loop will need to set up at Campus 2 to get the servers and networking equipment installed. They will have contractor setup the office furniture, computers, phones, remove all the associated trash, but they will still have to test the network. They might already be on site for their day-to-day work to get the server rooms situated.
So tell me again why one part of the top floor not being completely finished means that one section of the first floor can't be utilized a single Apple employee.
Unless Apple gets a certificate of occupancy then nobody can move in. Whether or not the city of Cupertino will give Apple a certificate of occupancy while the building is under construction is up for debate. You can't just move in whenever you feel like it....
Huh?! Who mentioned moving in without being cleared by the inspectors? The point—which I thought was clear—is that you can be allowed to occupy parts of a building even though the entire building and it's grounds aren't 100% completed. It's 2,800,000 sq ft, for Christ's sake!
After watched this video, remind me of Compaq company in Houston, TX, its also a circle building, many offices, gyms, big parking garages, and it shut down more than 15yrs ago. Now is HP but still a lot empty spaces. Hope it wont happen to Apple.
Jobs wanted to build this thing when Apple had 1/8 the employees they have now. They got a lot of leeway before they'd need to abandon their own self built headquarter.
To say that you can't use a drone below 200 feet is ridiculous, IMO, except immediately adjacent to an airport.
Perhaps but that is not what the law states. You are not permitted to use your drone outdoors at any altitude within the restricted area without permission from the airport control tower. If you disagree that is your decision and you are free to have your own opinion and take actions contrary to the law, but the easy solution is to contact the airport and notify them you plan to fly within the restricted zone and cooperate with them.
They better get their asses moving if this is supposed to be done by the end of the year. Yes, its coming together, but there is still a shitload of work to do. I'd say they won't move in until next spring.
Agreed. This is not being completed in the next 90 days. If every building was already completely finished in every regard, you couldn't even get all the landscaping done in the next 90 days. Everyone needs to get real. And 12,000 people aren't moving in at once. This will happen over a long period of time, perhaps as long as a year.
who said otherwise? yet it remains that if even some people can start moving in before year end then the goal i heard about for the same has been met.
They better get their asses moving if this is supposed to be done by the end of the year. Yes, its coming together, but there is still a shitload of work to do. I'd say they won't move in until next spring.
Agreed. This is not being completed in the next 90 days. If every building was already completely finished in every regard, you couldn't even get all the landscaping done in the next 90 days. Everyone needs to get real. And 12,000 people aren't moving in at once. This will happen over a long period of time, perhaps as long as a year.
who said otherwise? yet it remains that if even some people can start moving in before year end then the goal i heard about for the same has been met.
Lots of people have these notions that 1) everything—including the landscaping—has to be complete before anyone can move in, and 2) that it doesn't count until every employee has moved into the building. Earlier this year that the first employees will move into the campus by the end of January 2017 (My memory was end of 2016, but I was off by a month, or maybe he upped his time table in a different earnings call).
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Give it a rest. Please.
Agreed. This is not being completed in the next 90 days. If every building was already completely finished in every regard, you couldn't even get all the landscaping done in the next 90 days. Everyone needs to get real. And 12,000 people aren't moving in at once. This will happen over a long period of time, perhaps as long as a year.
(Unless there's an airport nearby that you didn't talk to...)
I'm curious ... what UAV did you use?
I'm impressed at how much the quality of these videos have increased since this project began.
I can't help thinking though, that Apple really, really needs to come out with some really cool new computers and some other ground breaking stuff for which Apple is famous before this monument is officially opened, or it look like the worst kind of hubris. It risks becoming a classic symbol of fiddling and indulgence while the company mission decays.
However, all it takes are more workers and you can get a lot can get done in a little amount of time if someone complains enough.
Although there are clear cut laws about flying at high altitude over private property, laws regarding low altitude are not so clear, however in this video the drone was flying below the roof line in very close proximity to the structure which if not against the law it should be without the property owners permission.
I'm not taking a position against drone owners. I own a drone as well. I also don't think the person who shot This video was inherently being careless, but laws are written not for the best case scenario but as reasonable protection if something goes wrong such as the pilot loosing control and the drone, exceeding the range of sight or wifi. I know some models have protection for that scenario but not all and especially not the cheap ones that a novice might be flying.
I can't even begin to understand your reasoning for needing the entire structure to have a roof before a single team of employees could move into any part of this massive structure on a single floor. No one is saying that they need to be moved to the top floor of the small part of the structure without a roof.
Let's remember that Apple does R&D, and while they do have a special facility for R&D, there are plenty of departments where engineering employees will need to be onsite to help install various equipment to finalize a section or room. This could take a little time or a lot of time, depending on the complexity of that project, but regardless of the situation it will take some time with the employees onsite. For example, many of the IT employees at 1 Infinite Loop will need to set up at Campus 2 to get the servers and networking equipment installed. They will have contractor setup the office furniture, computers, phones, remove all the associated trash, but they will still have to test the network. They might already be on site for their day-to-day work to get the server rooms situated.
So tell me again why one part of the top floor not being completely finished means that one section of the first floor can't be utilized a single Apple employee.