Yahoo email surveillance linked to court order, Apple denies any similar requests

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Yahoo's tool to scan the contents of customer emails came as a result of a U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court order last year, and was created by adapting otherwise benign software, a report indicated on Thursday.









Government officials were hunting down a "signature" linked to the communications of a state-sponsored terrorist organization, sources told the New York Times. To meet demands, Yahoo adapted a system normally meant to catch spam, malware, and child pornography, enabling it to find messages with the signature for sharing with the FBI.



That collection is no longer ongoing, two of the sources said. Scanning traffic was allegedly necessary because while the terrorists were thought to be using a unique identifier, investigators didn't know which email accounts were associated.



Yahoo has denied the existence of the scanning tool, claiming that the technology described in a Reuters article "does not exist on our systems."



An Apple spokesperson told BuzzFeed News that it has "never received a request of this type," and that even if it had, it would fight it in court. A Microsoft representative insisted the company has never performed a similar scan, while a Google spokesperson said the firm hasn't received this kind of request and would refuse.



The truth of the matter may be difficult to discern. Requests like the one Yahoo reportedly received often come with a gag order, preventing people from disclosing that a search took place. Yahoo and other companies like Apple and Facebook have denied providing "direct access" to their servers for the National Security Agency's PRISM mass surveillance program, or even being aware of PRISM, but were known to have had their data harvested -- willingly or otherwise.

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  • Reply 1 of 10
    volcanvolcan Posts: 1,799member
    Why would the government only make the request to Yahoo? Makes no sense since Yahoo is sort of a marginalized email service these days anyway. I believe Apple would definitely fight such an order and probably in a very public manner such as with the recent iPhone unlocking issue. Seems there is likely more to the story than has been revealed so far.
  • Reply 2 of 10
    calicali Posts: 3,494member
    volcan said:
    Why would the government only make the request to Yahoo? Makes no sense since Yahoo is sort of a marginalized email service these days anyway. I believe Apple would definitely fight such an order and probably in a very public manner such as with the recent iPhone unlocking issue. Seems there is likely more to the story than has been revealed so far.
    Like Gmail info being handed over but Google being quiet?
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  • Reply 3 of 10
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    cali said:
    volcan said:
    Why would the government only make the request to Yahoo? Makes no sense since Yahoo is sort of a marginalized email service these days anyway. I believe Apple would definitely fight such an order and probably in a very public manner such as with the recent iPhone unlocking issue. Seems there is likely more to the story than has been revealed so far.
    Like Gmail info being handed over but Google being quiet?
    Wasn't Google one of if not the first big tech to publicly report on government requests for user information? This year may be the 10th they've published their Transparency Report? Many of their tech brethren have only somewhat recently decided to follow suit and some still don't. 
    edited October 2016
  • Reply 4 of 10
    volcanvolcan Posts: 1,799member
    gatorguy said:
    Wasn't Google one of if not the first big tech to report on government requests for user information? 
    Doesn't matter. If there is a gag order they wouldn't be able to report it anyway. I remember years ago a friend of mine who worked in a big data center told me confidentially that they were required to host special software from the FBI that remotely installed a keystroke logging app. It was universally implemented at all peering data centers in the US but there was a gag order so very little is known about it. I think they called it Magic Lantern. I believe it has been discontinued now due to the freedom of information act.
    edited October 2016
  • Reply 5 of 10
    sockrolidsockrolid Posts: 2,789member
    Yahoo's tool to scan the contents of customer emails came as a result of a U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court order last year, and was created by adapting otherwise benign software, a report indicated on Thursday.
    FBI: "Hey.  Yahoo.  We need you to scan all of your users' emails.  For security and stuff."

    Yahoo: "No prob.  We already scan the f--- out of our users' emails.  For ads and stuff."
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  • Reply 6 of 10
    gwydiongwydion Posts: 1,083member
    cali said:
    volcan said:
    Why would the government only make the request to Yahoo? Makes no sense since Yahoo is sort of a marginalized email service these days anyway. I believe Apple would definitely fight such an order and probably in a very public manner such as with the recent iPhone unlocking issue. Seems there is likely more to the story than has been revealed so far.
    Like Gmail info being handed over but Google being quiet?
    What Gmail info has being handled?
  • Reply 7 of 10
    gwydiongwydion Posts: 1,083member
    sockrolid said:
    Yahoo's tool to scan the contents of customer emails came as a result of a U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court order last year, and was created by adapting otherwise benign software, a report indicated on Thursday.
    FBI: "Hey.  Yahoo.  We need you to scan all of your users' emails.  For security and stuff."

    Yahoo: "No prob.  We already scan the f--- out of our users' emails.  For ads and stuff."
    All the email providers scan all the emails
  • Reply 8 of 10
    volcan said:
    Why would the government only make the request to Yahoo? Makes no sense since Yahoo is sort of a marginalized email service these days anyway. I believe Apple would definitely fight such an order and probably in a very public manner such as with the recent iPhone unlocking issue. Seems there is likely more to the story than has been revealed so far.
    With server side data they probably wouldn't fight it and the San Bernardino case proves it. The fight with the FBI was about actually hacking a phone which undermines the basic security of iOS. Server data (like iCloud or for example iMessage backups) was handed over to the FBI without protest by Apple, before the trials started (and apparently even without the FBI needing a warrant, but that's probably because of the subject matter an wouldn't be any different with any other company). The problem was that there was a 6 weeks discrepancy between the iCloud backup data and the last day of usage. Thus the FBI wanted access to the phone to see if anything interesting still was on the phone. That's where Apple drew the line (although it has granted such request in the past but since iOS 8 it can't circumvent the pass code anymore and thus would need hacking).

    But server data like iCloud or emails are handed over without protest if the requesting party has the necessary legal base. Just like any other company is obliged to do. Apple's privacy statement confirms this as well. Apple turns over server data if it's legally required to but doesn't extract data from phones on request.
    edited October 2016
  • Reply 9 of 10
    jfc1138jfc1138 Posts: 3,090member
    So the investigation knew they were after Yahoo accounts. 
  • Reply 10 of 10
    fastasleepfastasleep Posts: 6,420member
    sockrolid said:
    Yahoo's tool to scan the contents of customer emails came as a result of a U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court order last year, and was created by adapting otherwise benign software, a report indicated on Thursday.
    FBI: "Hey.  Yahoo.  We need you to scan all of your users' emails.  For security and stuff."

    Yahoo: "No prob.  We already scan the f--- out of our users' emails.  For ads and stuff."
    FBI: "Hey Yahoo, your search results suck. We just hacked your servers and stole 500,000 users' credentials instead to make this easier."
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