I just went to the Apple site to see what Apple says about MagSafe. Interestingly, the MacBook Pro page no longer makes any mention of MagSafe as a feature. It's not mentioned on either the Design or Features page. Search for MagSafe and the only thing that comes up are replacement power adapters. There (http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MD506LL/A/apple-85w-magsafe-2-power-adapter-for-macbook-pro-with-retina-display) they do mention the benefit of using magnets (unsurprisingly). However, the reviews are horrible. I expected lots of complains about cost and durability, but I was surprised that half the complaints were about the functionality itself (the magnets being too weak). Apparently there are lots of people who will be glad to see Apple switch to a more traditional power solution. Go figure.
I just went to the Apple site to see what Apple says about MagSafe. Interestingly, the MacBook Pro page no longer makes any mention of MagSafe as a feature.
Apparently there are lots of people who will be glad to see Apple switch to a more traditional power solution. Go figure.
What about the Smart Connector as an evolution of MagSafe? I, for one, will be very sad to see the MagSafe connector go, if that happens, and will utilize a third party solution to "bring it back."
A magsafe style USB-c connector seems like something Apple could do.
No way. Accidentally disconnecting power on a machine with a battery is not problematic. Accidentally disconnecting a data connection can be catastrophic to your data and app stability.
Unless its a charging only port.
Apple would never do that. They wouldn't gimp one of the USBc ports as it'd only cause user confusion. I'd go as far as to suggest that if it does use USBc for charging that any of the four will charge the machine.
But isn't the cable that comes with the MacBook a charging only cable (EDIT: or perhaps it just limited to USB 2.0 speeds)? So there is already confusion if you grab the wrong cable. However, this could also offer a solution to an earlier post about accidentally disconnecting a MagSafe-like connection that was in the middle of transferring data...the MagSafe compatible cable would be charging only. But it's all academic...Apple doesn't control the Type C port specification so it's never going to happen.
Personally, I'd gladly give up a Type C port in exchange for keeping MagSafe. There could still be 5 Type C ports which should be enough for nearly anyone's needs.
I just went to the Apple site to see what Apple says about MagSafe. Interestingly, the MacBook Pro page no longer makes any mention of MagSafe as a feature.
Apparently there are lots of people who will be glad to see Apple switch to a more traditional power solution. Go figure.
What about the Smart Connector as an evolution of MagSafe? I, for one, will be very sad to see the MagSafe connector go, if that happens, and will utilize a third party solution to "bring it back."
The smart connector might currently be an option for lower powered iOS devices, but I don't see it currently supplying the needs of a MacBook yet, since it wasn't apparently designed for supplying operating/charging power, at least initially. Besides, the magnets required for reliable connections, are stronger than would be easily detachable in the event of a trip. Case in point, I was able to pull the 11" MBA off the table before the MagSafe connector detached at an Apple Store. That's likely the reason the MagSafe is going away -- that and a single function port is no longer realistic on increasingly smaller portable devices.
A magsafe style USB-c connector seems like something Apple could do.
No way. Accidentally disconnecting power on a machine with a battery is not problematic. Accidentally disconnecting a data connection can be catastrophic to your data and app stability.
The issue is not whether accidents happen. Of course they do. It is what happens to your device in the event that an accident happens. The data may be the least of the problems...
Anyone thinking there will be iPad updates at the same event? If it is going to happen for this holiday season, it needs to be this month.
iPad Pro 12.9" + at least the mini could use some updating. I doubt the Air will get anything, since they would prefer people buy the 9.7" Pro. The Pro should get of course the A10, True Tone & wide colour display, as basic updates.
If you fail to understand how the connector affects the ability to pull down laptop by tripping over its cord, how 10–12 hours v 2–3 hours of battery life affects the requirement to be plugged in, and how this already exists in the MacBook (meaning, it's no longer a hypothessis that I had 5 years ago about how Apple could eschew MagSafe from future notebooks) then, as usual, you're not going to understand a damn thing. Try to use sme critical thinkng and look at the fucking issue from beyond your personal needs and history of using a notebook with differnet technology. I'm not even asking you to look at it from Apple's PoV as I know from experience that is literally impossible for you to grasp, but at least try to look widen your view of technology a little bit.
You're trying to argue that a breakaway power connector is only "viable" for "certain people" because these magic new MacBook Pros will hardly ever actually be plugged in.
Don't be a dumbass. How does all-day battery life equate to hardly in your world? Do you hardly ever plug in your phone even if you can go a full day or even two on a charge? Your inability to understand how the design of the port interface plays a role in why the MacBook doesn't have MagSafe and instead uses USB-C says a lot. Again, if you want more battery life or more casing protection, or anything else for you buy it, but you're an asshat if you say, "I want this feature so Apple should include it automatically. I'm sure most people want it and I'm sure it fits into Apple's plans simply because I want it." Keep telling yourself that. Repeat after me: "It's not about me. It's not about me. It's not about me." If, come 27 Oct, Apple does remove MagSafe from the MacBook Pro you can vote with your wallet by not buying a Mac, or you can realize that you're being silly and deal with the coming changes in a mature way.
LOL. "Don't be a dumbass ... deal with the coming changes in a mature way." Perhaps maturity includes engaging in reasonable discourse? Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else.
I don't get your anti-MagSafe vitriol. You appear to be going to absurd lengths to minimize it's value as a feature. The only way it wouldn't be a useful feature is if the computer is rarely plugged in, so I assumed that's what you were getting at with your "10-12 hours" comment. But you agree that laptops are plugged in a lot of the time (and therefore are liable to be pulled off a desk a lot of the time).
I'm not talking about the MacBook. I thought we were discussing the yet-to-be-announced MacBook Pro. Of all the trade offs to be made, it's hard for me to see the benefit of merging a USB port and the power port into a single port--for the MacBook Pro. First, it's not at all clear that this would save any internal space, and if it does we're talking about a tiny amount of space. If part of the argument is that Apple can add a BUNCH of ports (which has never been a priority for Apple before) if they can double up, I don't buy that either. If you're going to plug 3 or 4 things into your MacBook Pro at the same time, you're obviously settling in for some real work and will need power as well.
I'm fine with Apple making radical changes. I buy their argument for ditching the headphone jack for the iPhone 7. But if they remove MagSafe from the MacBook Pro, I hope they don't try to pitch that as a feature (instead of a regrettable loss for some other compelling reason).
The benefit would be that Apple only has to offer one cable for everything on the MacBook, and the customer only has to carry one cable. If while charging, you need to plug in a hard drive to access something, you can just unplug he cable from the charging brick and plug it into the drive. So there's that. Arguably not a deal breaker, but something I'd welcome, along with only having to carry one charging brick for use with all of my gear.
Except not all cables are the same. Your scenario only works if you want to transfer data from your drive at USB 2.0 speeds. At least for the current MacBook, the charging cable that comes with it only supports those much slower speeds.
The single biggest advantage of charging via a Type C port is that it is not Apple proprietary. You don't have to pay Apple prices for a charger for your computer (but please still buy a good quality one!) and you won't need different chargers for different computers, including Windows laptops and many phones and tablets (once everyone is on USB-C).
Useful, yes, but less needed with a USB-C connector when compared to Apple's pre-MagSafe power connectors.
Also, if we're talking about USB-C, a universal port interface, there's no reason not to expect multiple 3rd-parties creating offering a simple solution. This will also have the added benefit of allowing all notebooks, regardless of the vendor, the option of a magnetic power cable.
I just see this as misguided in that MacSafe built in wouldn't require additional invention added on and would ship with this current breakaway technology that works perfectly well.
Again, it's not as compelling a feature as it once was. It's like Jailbreaking or a Mophie battery case for iOS and iPhone, respectively. Each are still viable to certain people, but changes have made both less necessary for the majority. Your argument is like saying that Apple should include a case with every iPhone simply because plenty of people use one—and the percentages of people using a case far outstrip those needing MagSafe when charging via USB-C on a machine with an all-day battery.
Your argument is truly weak on this one. You're not making a good case. Frankly I don't think you're making sense.
If you fail to understand how the connector affects the ability to pull down laptop by tripping over its cord, how 10–12 hours v 2–3 hours of battery life affects the requirement to be plugged in, and how this already exists in the MacBook (meaning, it's no longer a hypothessis that I had 5 years ago about how Apple could eschew MagSafe from future notebooks) then, as usual, you're not going to understand a damn thing. Try to use sme critical thinkng and look at the fucking issue from beyond your personal needs and history of using a notebook with differnet technology. I'm not even asking you to look at it from Apple's PoV as I know from experience that is literally impossible for you to grasp, but at least try to look widen your view of technology a little bit.
You're trying to argue that a breakaway power connector is only "viable" for "certain people" because these magic new MacBook Pros will hardly ever actually be plugged in. That's just absurd. Yes, people are less likely to pull their laptop to the floor if the battery life is much longer, but that's like saying if cars were 3 times safer we could stop wearing seat belts.
You still don't get it. If all cars out there don't have seatbelt, then why one manufacturer should stick with it?
Useful, yes, but less needed with a USB-C connector when compared to Apple's pre-MagSafe power connectors.
Also, if we're talking about USB-C, a universal port interface, there's no reason not to expect multiple 3rd-parties creating offering a simple solution. This will also have the added benefit of allowing all notebooks, regardless of the vendor, the option of a magnetic power cable.
I just see this as misguided in that MacSafe built in wouldn't require additional invention added on and would ship with this current breakaway technology that works perfectly well.
Again, it's not as compelling a feature as it once was. It's like Jailbreaking or a Mophie battery case for iOS and iPhone, respectively. Each are still viable to certain people, but changes have made both less necessary for the majority. Your argument is like saying that Apple should include a case with every iPhone simply because plenty of people use one—and the percentages of people using a case far outstrip those needing MagSafe when charging via USB-C on a machine with an all-day battery.
Your argument is truly weak on this one. You're not making a good case. Frankly I don't think you're making sense.
If you fail to understand how the connector affects the ability to pull down laptop by tripping over its cord, how 10–12 hours v 2–3 hours of battery life affects the requirement to be plugged in, and how this already exists in the MacBook (meaning, it's no longer a hypothessis that I had 5 years ago about how Apple could eschew MagSafe from future notebooks) then, as usual, you're not going to understand a damn thing. Try to use sme critical thinkng and look at the fucking issue from beyond your personal needs and history of using a notebook with differnet technology. I'm not even asking you to look at it from Apple's PoV as I know from experience that is literally impossible for you to grasp, but at least try to look widen your view of technology a little bit.
You're trying to argue that a breakaway power connector is only "viable" for "certain people" because these magic new MacBook Pros will hardly ever actually be plugged in. That's just absurd. Yes, people are less likely to pull their laptop to the floor if the battery life is much longer, but that's like saying if cars were 3 times safer we could stop wearing seat belts.
You still don't get it. If all cars out there don't have seatbelt, then why one manufacturer should stick with it?
Are you serious? You really don't know why a company would offer a feature than competitors don't offer? Are you suggesting that "the crowd" is always right?
In any case, all I was saying is that the justification for MagSafe (to reduce the risk of hardware loss due to a pulled cord) doesn't go away even if we charge our devices less. (The value of the feature goes down, but it doesn't go to zero.) Whereas it would go away if charging a laptop took 5 seconds and only had to be done once a week. But that's not today's reality. I expect that a majority of MacBook Pro users run their laptops while plugged in much of the time; for me it's probably 50-50 (plugged in versus free range).
Simply put, I believe the typical MacBook Pro user would see the removal of MagSafe as disappointing; Soli believes only "certain people" would miss it.
This isn't a religious war, people. I'm ok if you believe that MagSafe is worth throwing away. For me, I'm not convinced it's a smart trade off, but I'm interested in see what Apple does and how they explain/pitch/spin it.
If you fail to understand how the connector affects the ability to pull down laptop by tripping over its cord, how 10–12 hours v 2–3 hours of battery life affects the requirement to be plugged in, and how this already exists in the MacBook (meaning, it's no longer a hypothessis that I had 5 years ago about how Apple could eschew MagSafe from future notebooks) then, as usual, you're not going to understand a damn thing. Try to use sme critical thinkng and look at the fucking issue from beyond your personal needs and history of using a notebook with differnet technology. I'm not even asking you to look at it from Apple's PoV as I know from experience that is literally impossible for you to grasp, but at least try to look widen your view of technology a little bit.
You're trying to argue that a breakaway power connector is only "viable" for "certain people" because these magic new MacBook Pros will hardly ever actually be plugged in.
Don't be a dumbass. How does all-day battery life equate to hardly in your world? Do you hardly ever plug in your phone even if you can go a full day or even two on a charge? Your inability to understand how the design of the port interface plays a role in why the MacBook doesn't have MagSafe and instead uses USB-C says a lot. Again, if you want more battery life or more casing protection, or anything else for you buy it, but you're an asshat if you say, "I want this feature so Apple should include it automatically. I'm sure most people want it and I'm sure it fits into Apple's plans simply because I want it." Keep telling yourself that. Repeat after me: "It's not about me. It's not about me. It's not about me." If, come 27 Oct, Apple does remove MagSafe from the MacBook Pro you can vote with your wallet by not buying a Mac, or you can realize that you're being silly and deal with the coming changes in a mature way.
LOL. "Don't be a dumbass ... deal with the coming changes in a mature way." Perhaps maturity includes engaging in reasonable discourse? Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else.
I don't get your anti-MagSafe vitriol. You appear to be going to absurd lengths to minimize it's value as a feature. The only way it wouldn't be a useful feature is if the computer is rarely plugged in, so I assumed that's what you were getting at with your "10-12 hours" comment. But you agree that laptops are plugged in a lot of the time (and therefore are liable to be pulled off a desk a lot of the time).
I'm not talking about the MacBook. I thought we were discussing the yet-to-be-announced MacBook Pro. Of all the trade offs to be made, it's hard for me to see the benefit of merging a USB port and the power port into a single port--for the MacBook Pro. First, it's not at all clear that this would save any internal space, and if it does we're talking about a tiny amount of space. If part of the argument is that Apple can add a BUNCH of ports (which has never been a priority for Apple before) if they can double up, I don't buy that either. If you're going to plug 3 or 4 things into your MacBook Pro at the same time, you're obviously settling in for some real work and will need power as well.
I'm fine with Apple making radical changes. I buy their argument for ditching the headphone jack for the iPhone 7. But if they remove MagSafe from the MacBook Pro, I hope they don't try to pitch that as a feature (instead of a regrettable loss for some other compelling reason).
The benefit would be that Apple only has to offer one cable for everything on the MacBook, and the customer only has to carry one cable. If while charging, you need to plug in a hard drive to access something, you can just unplug he cable from the charging brick and plug it into the drive. So there's that. Arguably not a deal breaker, but something I'd welcome, along with only having to carry one charging brick for use with all of my gear.
Except not all cables are the same. Your scenario only works if you want to transfer data from your drive at USB 2.0 speeds. At least for the current MacBook, the charging cable that comes with it only supports those much slower speeds.
The single biggest advantage of charging via a Type C port is that it is not Apple proprietary. You don't have to pay Apple prices for a charger for your computer (but please still buy a good quality one!) and you won't need different chargers for different computers, including Windows laptops and many phones and tablets (once everyone is on USB-C).
That's an excellent point. And theoretically it would silence the critics who suggest that Apple makes the choices it does solely to sell overpriced accessories. (LOL, In reality the Apple haters would simply find something else to complain about.)
Useful, yes, but less needed with a USB-C connector when compared to Apple's pre-MagSafe power connectors.
Also, if we're talking about USB-C, a universal port interface, there's no reason not to expect multiple 3rd-parties creating offering a simple solution. This will also have the added benefit of allowing all notebooks, regardless of the vendor, the option of a magnetic power cable.
I just see this as misguided in that MacSafe built in wouldn't require additional invention added on and would ship with this current breakaway technology that works perfectly well.
Again, it's not as compelling a feature as it once was. It's like Jailbreaking or a Mophie battery case for iOS and iPhone, respectively. Each are still viable to certain people, but changes have made both less necessary for the majority. Your argument is like saying that Apple should include a case with every iPhone simply because plenty of people use one—and the percentages of people using a case far outstrip those needing MagSafe when charging via USB-C on a machine with an all-day battery.
Your argument is truly weak on this one. You're not making a good case. Frankly I don't think you're making sense.
If you fail to understand how the connector affects the ability to pull down laptop by tripping over its cord, how 10–12 hours v 2–3 hours of battery life affects the requirement to be plugged in, and how this already exists in the MacBook (meaning, it's no longer a hypothessis that I had 5 years ago about how Apple could eschew MagSafe from future notebooks) then, as usual, you're not going to understand a damn thing. Try to use sme critical thinkng and look at the fucking issue from beyond your personal needs and history of using a notebook with differnet technology. I'm not even asking you to look at it from Apple's PoV as I know from experience that is literally impossible for you to grasp, but at least try to look widen your view of technology a little bit.
You're trying to argue that a breakaway power connector is only "viable" for "certain people" because these magic new MacBook Pros will hardly ever actually be plugged in. That's just absurd. Yes, people are less likely to pull their laptop to the floor if the battery life is much longer, but that's like saying if cars were 3 times safer we could stop wearing seat belts.
You still don't get it. If all cars out there don't have seatbelt, then why one manufacturer should stick with it?
Are you serious? You really don't know why a company would offer a feature than competitors don't offer? Are you suggesting that "the crowd" is always right?
In any case, all I was saying is that the justification for MagSafe (to reduce the risk of hardware loss due to a pulled cord) doesn't go away even if we charge our devices less. (The value of the feature goes down, but it doesn't go to zero.) Whereas it would go away if charging a laptop took 5 seconds and only had to be done once a week. But that's not today's reality. I expect that a majority of MacBook Pro users run their laptops while plugged in much of the time; for me it's probably 50-50 (plugged in versus free range).
Simply put, I believe the typical MacBook Pro user would see the removal of MagSafe as disappointing; Soli believes only "certain people" would miss it.
This isn't a religious war, people. I'm ok if you believe that MagSafe is worth throwing away. For me, I'm not convinced it's a smart trade off, but I'm interested in see what Apple does and how they explain/pitch/spin it.
And the incidents that could've been disastrous without MagSafe were? 1out of 10,000 cases? That's when Apple removes that connector for something else more versatile. We are in an industry where we're recommended to have our equipment preventive maintenance every 12 months even if we barely use that equipment. So, we do a risk assessment and remove that PM completely. The result: we never ver have an issue for 5 years and that passes by the life of the equipment. Apple probable did their assessment as well, so why leave something in the devive which has so little benefit even though it's pretty cool?
If you fail to understand how the connector affects the ability to pull down laptop by tripping over its cord, how 10–12 hours v 2–3 hours of battery life affects the requirement to be plugged in, and how this already exists in the MacBook (meaning, it's no longer a hypothessis that I had 5 years ago about how Apple could eschew MagSafe from future notebooks) then, as usual, you're not going to understand a damn thing. Try to use sme critical thinkng and look at the fucking issue from beyond your personal needs and history of using a notebook with differnet technology. I'm not even asking you to look at it from Apple's PoV as I know from experience that is literally impossible for you to grasp, but at least try to look widen your view of technology a little bit.
You're trying to argue that a breakaway power connector is only "viable" for "certain people" because these magic new MacBook Pros will hardly ever actually be plugged in.
Don't be a dumbass. How does all-day battery life equate to hardly in your world? Do you hardly ever plug in your phone even if you can go a full day or even two on a charge? Your inability to understand how the design of the port interface plays a role in why the MacBook doesn't have MagSafe and instead uses USB-C says a lot. Again, if you want more battery life or more casing protection, or anything else for you buy it, but you're an asshat if you say, "I want this feature so Apple should include it automatically. I'm sure most people want it and I'm sure it fits into Apple's plans simply because I want it." Keep telling yourself that. Repeat after me: "It's not about me. It's not about me. It's not about me." If, come 27 Oct, Apple does remove MagSafe from the MacBook Pro you can vote with your wallet by not buying a Mac, or you can realize that you're being silly and deal with the coming changes in a mature way.
I don't get your anti-MagSafe vitriol. You appear to be going to absurd lengths to minimize it's value as a feature. The only way it wouldn't be a useful feature is if the computer is rarely plugged in, so I assumed that's what you were getting at with your "10-12 hours" comment. But you agree that laptops are plugged in a lot of the time (and therefore are liable to be pulled off a desk a lot of the time).
Letting you know how a data power that can supply power is more cersatile than a basic power port, how the design of USB-C has an effect over the pre-MagSafe power cable design which extended relatively deep into a Mac and wouldn't pop off easily, how going from 2–3 hours of use to 10-12 hours of use changes the freqency and conditions when people need to be plugged in, and the availability of inexpensive, 3rd-party solutions because USB-C is a standard everyone can use, is not vitriole, it's making a reasoned argument with for more data points than should be needed for you to understand why Apple has gotten rid of it in the MacBook and may be getting rid of it in other Mac notebooks. As previously stated, I love MagSafe, but another USB port is likely more important to Pro users under these circumanstances.
If part of the argument is that Apple can add a BUNCH of ports (which has never been a priority for Apple before) if they can double up, I don't buy that either. If you're going to plug 3 or 4 things into your MacBook Pro at the same time, you're obviously settling in for some real work and will need power as well.
What do you mean "which has never been a priority for Apple before"? They just moved the headphones in their iPhone to Lightning. They're the ones that helped Intel get Thunderbolt going and even created the mini-DisplayPort standard which has a zero cost license for vendors to use. They were the first vendor to go all in with USB-A which got rid of a crap load of legacy ports. Hopefully we'll see a new Apple display with a single cable for all data and video, but unlikely that it'll also include power, which I'm sure Apple hates since it means their display has to have a minimum of two cables. Apple's entire history is trying to consolidate ports! They even a fucking patent from a decade ago on having fiber optic cable in the center of MagSafe, which obviously isn't feasible.
I'm not talking about the MacBook. I thought we were discussing the yet-to-be-announced MacBook Pro. Of all the trade offs to be made, it's hard for me to see the benefit of merging a USB port and the power port into a single port--for the MacBook Pro.
I'm fine with Apple making radical changes. I buy their argument for ditching the headphone jack for the iPhone 7. But if they remove MagSafe from the MacBook Pro, I hope they don't try to pitch that as a feature (instead of a regrettable loss for some other compelling reason).
You really can't see how having an extra USB port or being able to power your Mac from either side, like with the Chrome Pixel, has benefits to users? How about being able to charge your Mac notebook any place with a USB port, like your car whilst driving without having to use a noisey and ineffecient power invertor.
as of 2016-10-20 10:44 am, there is still no "invitation" email reported. I doubt there will be an event at all. Could be just briefing to individual reporters and bloggers?
Apple originally had its earnings call scheduled for the 27th then moved it up 2 days because of a scheduling conflict on the 27th.
Apple reschedules fiscal Q4 2016 earnings call to Oct. 25 By AppleInsider Staff Monday, October 03, 2016, 02:05 pm PT (05:05 pm ET) Apple on Monday moved its earnings call for the fourth quarter of 2016 up two days to Tuesday, Oct. 25, citing an unannounced scheduling conflict.
If you fail to understand how the connector affects the ability to pull down laptop by tripping over its cord, how 10–12 hours v 2–3 hours of battery life affects the requirement to be plugged in, and how this already exists in the MacBook (meaning, it's no longer a hypothessis that I had 5 years ago about how Apple could eschew MagSafe from future notebooks) then, as usual, you're not going to understand a damn thing. Try to use sme critical thinkng and look at the fucking issue from beyond your personal needs and history of using a notebook with differnet technology. I'm not even asking you to look at it from Apple's PoV as I know from experience that is literally impossible for you to grasp, but at least try to look widen your view of technology a little bit.
You're trying to argue that a breakaway power connector is only "viable" for "certain people" because these magic new MacBook Pros will hardly ever actually be plugged in.
Don't be a dumbass. How does all-day battery life equate to hardly in your world? Do you hardly ever plug in your phone even if you can go a full day or even two on a charge? Your inability to understand how the design of the port interface plays a role in why the MacBook doesn't have MagSafe and instead uses USB-C says a lot. Again, if you want more battery life or more casing protection, or anything else for you buy it, but you're an asshat if you say, "I want this feature so Apple should include it automatically. I'm sure most people want it and I'm sure it fits into Apple's plans simply because I want it." Keep telling yourself that. Repeat after me: "It's not about me. It's not about me. It's not about me." If, come 27 Oct, Apple does remove MagSafe from the MacBook Pro you can vote with your wallet by not buying a Mac, or you can realize that you're being silly and deal with the coming changes in a mature way.
I don't get your anti-MagSafe vitriol. You appear to be going to absurd lengths to minimize it's value as a feature. The only way it wouldn't be a useful feature is if the computer is rarely plugged in, so I assumed that's what you were getting at with your "10-12 hours" comment. But you agree that laptops are plugged in a lot of the time (and therefore are liable to be pulled off a desk a lot of the time).
Letting you know how a data power that can supply power is more cersatile than a basic power port, how the design of USB-C has an effect over the pre-MagSafe power cable design which extended relatively deep into a Mac and wouldn't pop off easily, how going from 2–3 hours of use to 10-12 hours of use changes the freqency and conditions when people need to be plugged in, and the availability of inexpensive, 3rd-party solutions because USB-C is a standard everyone can use, is not vitriole, it's making a reasoned argument with for more data points than should be needed for you to understand why Apple has gotten rid of it in the MacBook and may be getting rid of it in other Mac notebooks. As previously stated, I love MagSafe, but another USB port is likely more important to Pro users under these circumanstances.
Hey at least you refrained from name calling and profanity. You're more persuasive that way and actually come across as reasonable.
I have a hard time seeing a scenario where a pro user would be taking advantage of 4 USB ports (for the sake of argument let's assume the MBP gets 2 on each side and no other ports) and not be plugged in. But it would be cool to be able to plug in from either side. That's an advantage I hadn't thought of (which probably won't actually possible, right?).
If you fail to understand how the connector affects the ability to pull down laptop by tripping over its cord, how 10–12 hours v 2–3 hours of battery life affects the requirement to be plugged in, and how this already exists in the MacBook (meaning, it's no longer a hypothessis that I had 5 years ago about how Apple could eschew MagSafe from future notebooks) then, as usual, you're not going to understand a damn thing. Try to use sme critical thinkng and look at the fucking issue from beyond your personal needs and history of using a notebook with differnet technology. I'm not even asking you to look at it from Apple's PoV as I know from experience that is literally impossible for you to grasp, but at least try to look widen your view of technology a little bit.
You're trying to argue that a breakaway power connector is only "viable" for "certain people" because these magic new MacBook Pros will hardly ever actually be plugged in.
Don't be a dumbass. How does all-day battery life equate to hardly in your world? Do you hardly ever plug in your phone even if you can go a full day or even two on a charge? Your inability to understand how the design of the port interface plays a role in why the MacBook doesn't have MagSafe and instead uses USB-C says a lot. Again, if you want more battery life or more casing protection, or anything else for you buy it, but you're an asshat if you say, "I want this feature so Apple should include it automatically. I'm sure most people want it and I'm sure it fits into Apple's plans simply because I want it." Keep telling yourself that. Repeat after me: "It's not about me. It's not about me. It's not about me." If, come 27 Oct, Apple does remove MagSafe from the MacBook Pro you can vote with your wallet by not buying a Mac, or you can realize that you're being silly and deal with the coming changes in a mature way.
I don't get your anti-MagSafe vitriol. You appear to be going to absurd lengths to minimize it's value as a feature. The only way it wouldn't be a useful feature is if the computer is rarely plugged in, so I assumed that's what you were getting at with your "10-12 hours" comment. But you agree that laptops are plugged in a lot of the time (and therefore are liable to be pulled off a desk a lot of the time).
Letting you know how a data power that can supply power is more cersatile than a basic power port, how the design of USB-C has an effect over the pre-MagSafe power cable design which extended relatively deep into a Mac and wouldn't pop off easily, how going from 2–3 hours of use to 10-12 hours of use changes the freqency and conditions when people need to be plugged in, and the availability of inexpensive, 3rd-party solutions because USB-C is a standard everyone can use, is not vitriole, it's making a reasoned argument with for more data points than should be needed for you to understand why Apple has gotten rid of it in the MacBook and may be getting rid of it in other Mac notebooks. As previously stated, I love MagSafe, but another USB port is likely more important to Pro users under these circumanstances.
Hey at least you refrained from name calling and profanity. You're more persuasive that way and actually come across as reasonable.
I have a hard time seeing a scenario where a pro user would be taking advantage of 4 USB ports (for the sake of argument let's assume the MBP gets 2 on each side and no other ports) and not be plugged in. But it would be cool to be able to plug in from either side. That's an advantage I hadn't thought of (which probably won't actually possible, right?).
Fuck your inability to understand the usefulness of swearing or thinking that certain words are cursed.
And the incidents that could've been disastrous without MagSafe were? 1out of 10,000 cases? That's when Apple removes that connector for something else more versatile. We are in an industry where we're recommended to have our equipment preventive maintenance every 12 months even if we barely use that equipment. So, we do a risk assessment and remove that PM completely. The result: we never ver have an issue for 5 years and that passes by the life of the equipment. Apple probable did their assessment as well, so why leave something in the devive which has so little benefit even though it's pretty cool?
While I never damaged my computer from yanking the power cords out of the connector, I had to replace many many more pre-MagSafe power cords than I did the MagSafe ones. In fact, I replaced only 2 magsafe, and those were because the block stopped working. My family messed up at least 6 of the old type because the connector got bent or even broken off.
And the incidents that could've been disastrous without MagSafe were? 1out of 10,000 cases? That's when Apple removes that connector for something else more versatile. We are in an industry where we're recommended to have our equipment preventive maintenance every 12 months even if we barely use that equipment. So, we do a risk assessment and remove that PM completely. The result: we never ver have an issue for 5 years and that passes by the life of the equipment. Apple probable did their assessment as well, so why leave something in the devive which has so little benefit even though it's pretty cool?
While I never damaged my computer from yanking the power cords out of the connector, I had to replace many many more pre-MagSafe power cords than I did the MagSafe ones. In fact, I replaced only 2 magsafe, and those were because the block stopped working. My family messed up at least 6 of the old type because the connector got bent or even broken off.
It sucks because the PSU is the expensive bit. If they keep it with the same method of the MacBock, it'll be a USB-C-to-USB-C cable with a seperate PSU. If that wears out it'll be inexpensive at Monoprice to get a replacement. Or, you can have multiple USB-C cables at differnet locations, or get one that is a certain length, whereas before this was not cost feasible. You can even buy one for your car—which will be USB-A for at least another 5 years—that is USB-A-to-USB-C and of a proper length so you can charge it whilst driving.
Comments
Personally, I'd gladly give up a Type C port in exchange for keeping MagSafe. There could still be 5 Type C ports which should be enough for nearly anyone's needs.
In the meantime, others have already solved this problem,. Here's just one example: https://www.amazon.com/USB-Type-Magnetic-Connector/dp/B0192EHOGW/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1476889007&sr=8-3&keywords=usb+type+c+magnetic
iPad Pro 12.9" + at least the mini could use some updating. I doubt the Air will get anything, since they would prefer people buy the 9.7" Pro. The Pro should get of course the A10, True Tone & wide colour display, as basic updates.
The single biggest advantage of charging via a Type C port is that it is not Apple proprietary. You don't have to pay Apple prices for a charger for your computer (but please still buy a good quality one!) and you won't need different chargers for different computers, including Windows laptops and many phones and tablets (once everyone is on USB-C).
In any case, all I was saying is that the justification for MagSafe (to reduce the risk of hardware loss due to a pulled cord) doesn't go away even if we charge our devices less. (The value of the feature goes down, but it doesn't go to zero.) Whereas it would go away if charging a laptop took 5 seconds and only had to be done once a week. But that's not today's reality. I expect that a majority of MacBook Pro users run their laptops while plugged in much of the time; for me it's probably 50-50 (plugged in versus free range).
Simply put, I believe the typical MacBook Pro user would see the removal of MagSafe as disappointing; Soli believes only "certain people" would miss it.
This isn't a religious war, people. I'm ok if you believe that MagSafe is worth throwing away. For me, I'm not convinced it's a smart trade off, but I'm interested in see what Apple does and how they explain/pitch/spin it.
Apple probable did their assessment as well, so why leave something in the devive which has so little benefit even though it's pretty cool?
You really can't see how having an extra USB port or being able to power your Mac from either side, like with the Chrome Pixel, has benefits to users? How about being able to charge your Mac notebook any place with a USB port, like your car whilst driving without having to use a noisey and ineffecient power invertor.
Apple originally had its earnings call scheduled for the 27th then moved it up 2 days because of a scheduling conflict on the 27th.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/10/03/apple-reschedules-fiscal-q4-2016-earnings-call-to-oct-25
I have a hard time seeing a scenario where a pro user would be taking advantage of 4 USB ports (for the sake of argument let's assume the MBP gets 2 on each side and no other ports) and not be plugged in. But it would be cool to be able to plug in from either side. That's an advantage I hadn't thought of (which probably won't actually possible, right?).
From another forum:
If you try to download the free trial of FCP from the apple web site -- it downloads a 243-byte placeholder:
FinalCutProTrial10.3.dmg
The current version of FCP is 10.2.3
This could mean that the iMac and the Mac Pro are getting updates -- as these machines are widely used for power A/V editing.
Where are the new iPad Pros?
IMO, the iPad Pros need a USB-C for high-speed connection to the Mac giving:
There are lots of possibilities here!