Sherlock 3 in Europe: "Cela sucks BIG TIME!"
I was watching the keynote on mpeg4 stream, and hear Steve say, the ebay function, you can use that in France as well. Allrighty then, I think to myself. I've been looking for one of those nice digital camera toys, so, let's check it out. I'm in Belgium, in case you didn't know, and there is a perfectly legit eBay.be (.be being to Belgium what .fr is to France and so on, our national top level domain).
Right. I get offers on cameras in as far as Anchorage, Alaska, but in Belgium. Nooooope. So, was Steve lying in front of the entire world? Yes.
And I can't begin to imagine all the other problems Europeans have because of this America-centrism at Cupertino. I can understand this to a degree, but then, in Europe, all the Apple gear costs up to 40% more than in the US.
I just looked at the flat panel iMac, the big ass one, the top of the line, in the US: 1999 dollars, in Belgium: 2660.79 euro. Now if we assume a 1 ~ 1 exchange rate euro's for dollars, that gives you over 30% more of the cost.
What is up with all this? First we pay more, than we get fücked twice?
Right. I get offers on cameras in as far as Anchorage, Alaska, but in Belgium. Nooooope. So, was Steve lying in front of the entire world? Yes.
And I can't begin to imagine all the other problems Europeans have because of this America-centrism at Cupertino. I can understand this to a degree, but then, in Europe, all the Apple gear costs up to 40% more than in the US.
I just looked at the flat panel iMac, the big ass one, the top of the line, in the US: 1999 dollars, in Belgium: 2660.79 euro. Now if we assume a 1 ~ 1 exchange rate euro's for dollars, that gives you over 30% more of the cost.
What is up with all this? First we pay more, than we get fücked twice?
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<strong>I ...hear Steve say, the ebay function, you can use that in France as well.
I get offers on cameras in as far as Anchorage, Alaska, but in Belgium. Nooooope. So, was Steve lying in front of the entire world? Yes.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Did you get any in France though? He didn't say anything about Belgium... <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
I'm not ragging on you, Headman: Sherlock 3 is totally useless in the UK as well(just checked 10.2.1, still the same). Oh, and the top end iMac is over $2500...
sometime in 2003.... "And now in MacOS X 10.3 Pink Panther, major Asian and European localization for Wats... uhm Sherlock! And yes, you get to pay full price again for it! BUT as a bonus for French users, we bundle the free Inspector Cluseau app that helps find porn!"
I'll bet you anything thats whats going to happen.
[ 09-18-2002: Message edited by: ZO ]</p>
<strong>I just looked at the flat panel iMac, the big ass one, the top of the line, in the US: 1999 dollars, in Belgium: 2660.79 euro. Now if we assume a 1 ~ 1 exchange rate euro's for dollars, that gives you over 30% more of the cost.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Don't forget that in Europe, the price is incl. VAT, in the US it's the net price. And (at least in Germany), the Applestore has very high prices:
iMac in german Applestore: ca. 2550 ?
iMac at dealer (gravis.de): ca. 2250 ?
1999 + 16% (german VAT) : 2218.84 ?
What will they think of next!?
<strong>Imagine that... an American company that spends most of its time on American issues.
What will they think of next!?</strong><hr></blockquote>
So just because Apple is a american company they should ignore users outside the US?
What if all companies would think like that?
"Oh, no sorry. You can't get a Volvo because its a Swedish company and you live in america. But hey! You can still pay for it and imagine how it would be driving it!"
Edit: Typo.
[ 09-19-2002: Message edited by: Fobie ]</p>
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So just because Apple is a american company they should ignore users outside the US?
What if all companys would think like that?
"Oh, no sorry. You can't get a Volvo because its a Swedish company and you live in america. But hey! You can still pay for it and imagine how it would be driving it!"</strong><hr></blockquote>
like that, apple is
Last time I checked, in the UK the iPhoto book ordering service still wasn't available either.
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Imagine that... an American company that spends most of its time on American issues.
What will they think of next!?
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Yeah, MS have taken over the world, yet Apple are concentrating on a sleepy little backwater, the US.
[ 09-19-2002: Message edited by: RodUK ]</p>
<strong>Imagine that... an American company that spends most of its time on American issues.
What will they think of next!?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Jesus H. Christ Grove... WHAT is your PROBLEM with anything that ISN'T American???? You really seem to give bad name to Americans, who already have a tough time not looking like they are totally insular.
<strong>I feel the need to point out that Volvo Cars is owned by Ford... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Not really, Ford owns the part of Volvo that makes trucks. The private car sector is not owned by them.
So you partly right.
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Not really, Ford owns the part of Volvo that makes trucks. The private car sector is not owned by them.
So you partly right.
and partly wrong...
Ford bought Volvo Cars from the Volvo Group in 1999. Volvo Group still owns the truck division.
<a href="http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/990208/8volv.htm"; target="_blank">US News & World Report</a>
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/the_company_file/264506.stm"; target="_blank">BBC News</a>
<a href="http://www.businessweek.com/1999/99_07/b3616157.htm"; target="_blank">BusinessWeek</a>
And of course <a href="http://www.volvocars.com/"; target="_blank">http://www.volvocars.com/</a>; proudly displays "Ford Motor Company"
[ 09-19-2002: Message edited by: Eugene ]</p>
you win
[ 09-19-2002: Message edited by: Defiant ]</p>
<strong>I see you're in denial. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> You're only kidding yourself!
Ford bought Volvo Cars from the Volvo Group in 1999. Volvo Group still owns the truck division.
<a href="http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/990208/8volv.htm"; target="_blank">US News & World Report</a>
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/the_company_file/264506.stm"; target="_blank">BBC News</a>
<a href="http://www.businessweek.com/1999/99_07/b3616157.htm"; target="_blank">BusinessWeek</a>
And of course <a href="http://www.volvocars.com/"; target="_blank">http://www.volvocars.com/</a>; proudly displays "Ford Motor Company"
[ 09-19-2002: Message edited by: Eugene ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ugh, denial?
I mixed the trucks and the private cars together.
So..
"Oh, no sorry. You can't get a Volvo TRUCK because its a Swedish company and you live in america. But hey! You can still pay for it and imagine how it would be driving it!"
[ 09-19-2002: Message edited by: Eugene ]</p>
<strong>Nobody buys Volvo or Daimler-Benz trucks in North America anyway. We need our gigantic <a href="http://www.peterbilt.com/"; target="_blank">Peterbilts</a>.
[ 09-19-2002: Message edited by: Eugene ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
even SJ drives a mercedes, stupid cupid. :cool:
Anyway, Volvo is part of Ford's Premier Automotive Group, along with Jaguar, Land Rover and Aston Martin (any others I've missed?), and it runs more or less as a standalone business entity with full access to the Ford of Europe (aka, the bit of Ford that actually makes any money) parts bin.