Apple's 'iPhone 8' prompts rival smartphone makers to clamber for OLED supplies

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in iPhone edited January 2017
Worried that Apple will monopolize OLED supply capacity for this year's "iPhone 8," a number of smartphone vendors are said to be racing to secure some that capacity for their own OLED products.


"iPhone 8" OLED concept via iMore.


The situation should trigger a shortage of OLED panels this year, sources in the Taiwanese supply chain industry told DigiTimes. The people noted in fact that supplies for many components are likely to be short -- including memory, LCDs, and optical sensors -- because of growing demand from Chinese smartphone makers like Huawei, Oppo, and Vivo.

The problem could be amplified by those companies trying to shift further towards mid- to high-end phones. Indeed, LCD supplies may be tight as the common size of phone displays grows from 5 inches to 5.5 or even 5.7 inches.

Apple is expected to debut three new iPhones this year. Two of these belong to an alleged "iPhone 7s" lineup, with 4.7- and 5.5-inch LCDs like their predecessors. The top-end "iPhone 8" is expected to have a curved Samsung OLED panel measuring 5.1 or 5.2 inches, perhaps reflecting the trend towards bigger displays.

All three phones may support wireless charging, catching up with other high-end smartphones. That could explain rumors of Apple reverting to glass backs, since metal can interfere with wireless signals.

The "iPhone 8" may take its design even further, possibly gaining IP68 water resistance and integrating its home button and/or front sensors into the display.
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  • Reply 1 of 12
    anomeanome Posts: 1,533member

    I would love to discover that Apple were just leaking stuff about OLED and "bezel-free" displays to misdirect everyone. So all the Android manufacturers scramble to get their edge-to-edge, massive OLED display phones out, only for Apple to produce something else that no-one sees coming.

    I mean, you can see from that render what the main problem with an edge-to-edge display - you can't hold it firmly without obscuring the edges of the display, which are also touch-enabled so you might end up activating something you don't want to.

    watto_cobraJdmr1701
  • Reply 2 of 12
    Thanks, DigiTimes.  <3  /smdh
    pscooter63
  • Reply 3 of 12
    thedbathedba Posts: 764member
    If Apple does go down the OLED route, they will need around 10 million of those displays for launch and a very conservative 100 million for the year, unless they plan to be supply constrained for the entire 2017-2018 FY. This assuming that 7 and 7S will be released alongside.  
    If they only plan a version 8 and 8+ with OLED, then the numbers will easily double. 
    I would think that every other manufacturer, including Samsung, is scrambling to secure their bit.  
    watto_cobraJdmr1701
  • Reply 4 of 12
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    anome said:

    I would love to discover that Apple were just leaking stuff about OLED and "bezel-free" displays to misdirect everyone. So all the Android manufacturers scramble to get their edge-to-edge, massive OLED display phones out, only for Apple to produce something else that no-one sees coming.

    If there's truth to any of the Apple OLED rumors other buyers already know. They have to arrange purchases for their own displays if they've not already done so.  
  • Reply 5 of 12
    misamisa Posts: 827member
    anome said:

    I would love to discover that Apple were just leaking stuff about OLED and "bezel-free" displays to misdirect everyone. So all the Android manufacturers scramble to get their edge-to-edge, massive OLED display phones out, only for Apple to produce something else that no-one sees coming.

    I mean, you can see from that render what the main problem with an edge-to-edge display - you can't hold it firmly without obscuring the edges of the display, which are also touch-enabled so you might end up activating something you don't want to.

    I don't see "edge-to-edge" ever being a good thing, for exactly those reasons, and I hate OLED's I've seen in devices thus far. They always look dull.

    I don't see Apple ever switching to OLED's for anything but iPod's and the Apple Watch. If the screen is larger than 3", the clarity of what Apple has been using so far is by far superior to what we've been seeing in competitors products.

    Likewise I don't see the "home button" going away. If you've ever had the displeasure of using an Android device like this, you'd know why. You need a tactile button in order to orient the device without looking at it. You also need it for visually-impaired people to find it to use Siri. Android phones have more stupid useless buttons on them. 

    It's the strangest thing, I've never, ever, seen two Android devices have any common UI language. So my Dad handed me his $50 phone he got off Amazon and asked me to do something with it and nothing on it is intuitive at all. Then I was handed my Dad's sister's phone and I mentioned that she had like 100 applications running on it (eg, never actually closed a web browser window, opened a new one every time.)

    Like please, Android does a lot of sinful things, and I really wish that analysts would realize that Apple is in no hurry to steal Android phone manufacturers worst ideas. The entire removing of the 3.5mm jack on the iPhone 7 obviously happened without consulting enough of the Apple user base otherwise they would have realized what a boneheaded idea it was and would have at least included a second lighting connection or a usb-c connection for digital phones while using the lightning for charging. If they remove the headphone connector from the iPad then that will not go over well with people who use it for gaming or netflix. If Samsung didn't create such a (literal) bomb with their last phone, that might have been enough to push people away from Apple to Samsung, but nope. I think we're entering the market stable period where people are loathe to switch their devices a second time and have to re-buy software/apps all over again (which is why Blackberry, Nokia and Microsoft have all failed in the SmartPhone market.)

    Coming back to the entire OLED idea. It's been suggested ever since the iPhone 4S, and Cook has pooh-poohed it.
    https://www.cnet.com/news/oled-displays-theyre-awful-says-apples-ceo/

    "If you ever buy anything online and really want to know what he color is, as many people do, you should really think twice before you depend on the color from an OLED display," Cook said.

    So I don't expect OLED's in any of Apple's phone's, tablets or iMac's for the foreseeable future.
    anome
  • Reply 6 of 12
    misa said:

    I don't see Apple ever switching to OLED's for anything but iPod's and the Apple Watch. If the screen is larger than 3", the clarity of what Apple has been using so far is by far superior to what we've been seeing in competitors products.

    Clarity means nothing. It is all about the brilliance of the super-saturated colours that average people seem to have been brainwashed into thinking they need.
    Accuracy of colour rendition also means zilch to 99.99% of users.
    How many people do you know calibrate their screens once a year let alone once a month?
    I'm a wildlife and landscape photographer and do that once a month at least.
    Most people don't care about all the hard work that Apple put in under the hood.
    A Samsung S8 will look to have a brighter more brilliant screen so all the hacks will love it.
    In their love in, they'll slag off  Apple.
    That's life.

    pscooter63watto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 12
    jkichlinejkichline Posts: 1,369member
    I've said multiple times that edge to edge screens are dumb. The reason is obvious... you need something to hold on to. However, this is a simple issue of human ergonomics, usability and ease of use which is where Apple excels.

    What if the entire front panel were OLED and all components like the home button, proximity sensor, camera and earpiece where either hidden on the edge or behind the display. Then you implement Touch ID into the display along with the Taptic Engine. Now you could lift the phone to wake it or tap on the screen and unlock.

    Because it would be OLED, the default function would be like a typical iPhone with bezels. This would fit the standard iPhone 7 size. However if an app enters full screen mode, it could take over the entirety of the front panel at 1080p. Basically Apple would differentiate from normal usage and full screen usage.

    If they are planning to launch iPhone 8 along side iPhone 7s, I think they will like do something like iPhone Pro. The Pro line will be upgraded to USB-C. That would solve the issue of deprecating lightning by making it a consumer connector and using USB-C in the pro line.
    edited January 2017
  • Reply 8 of 12
    canukstormcanukstorm Posts: 2,700member
    misa said:
    anome said:

    I would love to discover that Apple were just leaking stuff about OLED and "bezel-free" displays to misdirect everyone. So all the Android manufacturers scramble to get their edge-to-edge, massive OLED display phones out, only for Apple to produce something else that no-one sees coming.

    I mean, you can see from that render what the main problem with an edge-to-edge display - you can't hold it firmly without obscuring the edges of the display, which are also touch-enabled so you might end up activating something you don't want to.

    I don't see "edge-to-edge" ever being a good thing, for exactly those reasons, and I hate OLED's I've seen in devices thus far. They always look dull.

    I don't see Apple ever switching to OLED's for anything but iPod's and the Apple Watch. If the screen is larger than 3", the clarity of what Apple has been using so far is by far superior to what we've been seeing in competitors products.

    Likewise I don't see the "home button" going away. If you've ever had the displeasure of using an Android device like this, you'd know why. You need a tactile button in order to orient the device without looking at it. You also need it for visually-impaired people to find it to use Siri. Android phones have more stupid useless buttons on them. 

    It's the strangest thing, I've never, ever, seen two Android devices have any common UI language. So my Dad handed me his $50 phone he got off Amazon and asked me to do something with it and nothing on it is intuitive at all. Then I was handed my Dad's sister's phone and I mentioned that she had like 100 applications running on it (eg, never actually closed a web browser window, opened a new one every time.)

    Like please, Android does a lot of sinful things, and I really wish that analysts would realize that Apple is in no hurry to steal Android phone manufacturers worst ideas. The entire removing of the 3.5mm jack on the iPhone 7 obviously happened without consulting enough of the Apple user base otherwise they would have realized what a boneheaded idea it was and would have at least included a second lighting connection or a usb-c connection for digital phones while using the lightning for charging. If they remove the headphone connector from the iPad then that will not go over well with people who use it for gaming or netflix. If Samsung didn't create such a (literal) bomb with their last phone, that might have been enough to push people away from Apple to Samsung, but nope. I think we're entering the market stable period where people are loathe to switch their devices a second time and have to re-buy software/apps all over again (which is why Blackberry, Nokia and Microsoft have all failed in the SmartPhone market.)

    Coming back to the entire OLED idea. It's been suggested ever since the iPhone 4S, and Cook has pooh-poohed it.
    https://www.cnet.com/news/oled-displays-theyre-awful-says-apples-ceo/

    "If you ever buy anything online and really want to know what he color is, as many people do, you should really think twice before you depend on the color from an OLED display," Cook said.

    So I don't expect OLED's in any of Apple's phone's, tablets or iMac's for the foreseeable future.
    OLED isn't just about color quality but also about enabling form factors not possible with IPS LCD screens. Think foldable displays / smartphones

    http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2016/11/apple-wins-surprising-patent-for-a-future-bendable-or-foldable-iphone-using-advanced-carbon-nanotube-structures.html
  • Reply 9 of 12
    Jdmr1701Jdmr1701 Posts: 8unconfirmed, member
    thedba said:
    If Apple does go down the OLED route, they will need around 10 million of those displays for launch and a very conservative 100 million for the year, unless they plan to be supply constrained for the entire 2017-2018 FY. This assuming that 7 and 7S will be released alongside.  
    If they only plan a version 8 and 8+ with OLED, then the numbers will easily double. 
    I would think that every other manufacturer, including Samsung, is scrambling to secure their bit.  
    They will need many OLED supplies to keep up. I am hoping there won't be a run on them. I may get one and I am sure there will be many people who will pay more for whatever they have for top end 2017 release. They sold a ton of 2016 MBP and they jacked the price on that. They didn't think there would be a demand for the iPhone 6+ and plenty of people wanted that leaving a shortage. A shortage wouldn't look good for Apple. It will leave many upset customers. Hopefully Cook will have a plan, or may just forgo OLED due to possible supply constraints for 2017 and push for 2018. With 10 iPhone prototypes who knows!
  • Reply 10 of 12
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 4,054member
    Edge to edge display is gimmick. It adds zero benefit but cosmetic!
    virtual Home button? Same thing. Why would Apple want to reduce 1/2 size of the bezel length for nothing but the look? Reduce top and bottom bezels ain't help with 1 hand operation.
    edited January 2017
  • Reply 11 of 12
    hentaiboyhentaiboy Posts: 1,252member
    jkichline said:
    The Pro line will be upgraded to USB-C. That would solve the issue of deprecating lightning by making it a consumer connector and using USB-C in the pro line.

    Will never happen. USB-C isn't thin enough for an iPhone

    /s

  • Reply 12 of 12
    yojimbo007yojimbo007 Posts: 1,165member
    fallenjt said:
    Edge to edge display is gimmick. It adds zero benefit but cosmetic!
    virtual Home button? Same thing. Why would Apple want to reduce 1/2 size of the bezel length for nothing but the look? Reduce top and bottom bezels ain't help with 1 hand operation.
    It offers smaller form factor with larger screens... thats a good thing.
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