UK's BT publicly supports Google, fears Apple dominance, in EU Android antitrust case

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  • Reply 21 of 27
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,686member
    BT want Android to work out because, as pointed out, they can pre-install on their devices. As of now BT is mostly an ISP but it is moving into the mobile space. 
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  • Reply 22 of 27
    jbdragonjbdragon Posts: 2,315member
    maestro64 said:

    Folks this is not about hardware, this is the same issue Microsoft ran into, there were lots of companies who made hardware which ran windows, but all those companies were required to load windows and then MS made it so that you could not replace MS based programs with competitors product like IE being replace with Netscape. Google has done the same thing. They are forcing people into their ecosystem without chooses. You could argue Apple does the same thing, but they make the hardware and software so they are allow to do that, but they also allow competing apps to most of their apps, there are a few exception but there are no competitors in those spaces yet or Apple can claim security as the reason not to allow others in.

    Google most likely will have to do what Apple does and allow people to delete all the preinstalled Google apps with ones from third parties. This is why Apple now allows you to remove apple installed apps to be removed. It is just bringing more light on the Google situation. Remember is Android users are not using Google apps then Google is not making money on a OS they give away free.

    No, you have it wrong. You could install other 3rd party programs onto Windows just fine. Netscape, or Firefox, or whatever. The problem was IE was the default and MS was ingraining it into the OS more and more. You couldn't really remove IE. The EU wanted MS to also Include 3rd party browsers witht he OS and allow people to pick what browser they wanted to use. Many people just use the default and never go out on their own and download whatever they like. Really, it was a joke. It was a ruling for LAZY people!!! Google has every right to protect it's OS. If you want to fork it, fine, but you can't then go use Google's services or anything else. This is what Amazon is doing. These other company's want to fork it and still use Google's stuff. The problem is things start getting out of Google's control. What this is really about is there's no money to be made selling Android hardware. It's a commodity. Apple makes around 95% of the Smartphone profits and Samesung makes most of the rest which isn't much, leaving everyone else making razer thin profits to losing money. The only real winner is Google. They're making money from the Google services people are using, and from Ad's. Now with Google making their so called PIXEL phones, they really have a unfair advantage over everyone. If you want to use Android, Google's services have to be front and center for people to use. That's the price you pay for using Android. People buying a Android phone want to use Google's services. China is the exception where Google has almost zero presence. Now these company's want to offer some of their own services to try and make money, but that's kind of hard to do when Google's services have to be front and center. They want to offer a few of their own things, and then fill in the gap with Google's stuff.
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  • Reply 23 of 27
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    asdasd said:
    BT want Android to work out because, as pointed out, they can pre-install on their devices. As of now BT is mostly an ISP but it is moving into the mobile space. 
    BT has been in the mobile space pretty much since the mobile space started with Cellnet; they launched the world's first GPRS network.  They were only out of the mobile network provider space briefly in the interim between selling O2 and acquiring EE.

    (possibly) interesting side fact - EE, which is owned by BT, is the only UK network that sells contracts with an Apple Music tie-in.
    edited February 2017
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  • Reply 24 of 27
    MacPromacpro Posts: 19,873member
    sog35 said:
    What kind of bullshit is this?

    Android/Google has 80% marketshare and they are worrying about Apple getting to big? WTF
    Well going by recent history, the Brits may not take much notice of recommendations!  ;)
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  • Reply 25 of 27
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,769member
    crowley said:
    asdasd said:
    BT want Android to work out because, as pointed out, they can pre-install on their devices. As of now BT is mostly an ISP but it is moving into the mobile space. 
    BT has been in the mobile space pretty much since the mobile space started with Cellnet; they launched the world's first GPRS network.  They were only out of the mobile network provider space briefly in the interim between selling O2 and acquiring EE.

    (possibly) interesting side fact - EE, which is owned by BT, is the only UK network that sells contracts with an Apple Music tie-in.
    Interesting side-fact #2:
    The only patent infringement lawsuit Google has ever filed was against British Telecom in 2013, following BT lawsuits against Google filed in 2011

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  • Reply 26 of 27
    BT complaining about someone having too much control over a market is like a logging company complaining about trees getting cut down
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