Seriously, there were TCO studies decades ago that showed the same thing. The only people who didn't get the message were either people selling Windows goods and services, support people that wanted to justify their paychecks, or the willfully ignorant/delusional.
All companies show how their services and products have the lower TCO, and that includes IBM, HP, Dell, Oracle, Microsoft and Red Hat. And there is no reason to believe they are lying. As an example, here is the study where MS show the TCO for Windows 10,
I would never expect any company to release an study where their product or service fail. At the same time, business and enterprises have different needs, and there are cases where a product/service is not the best option while in others is the best. A few months ago, Microsoft announce that the US DoD will upgrade 4 million devices to Windows 10,
ISo it looks like there are business and enterprises have may have a better TCO with Windows 10 than other solutions, including Macs.
The studies I referred to were not Apple studies, nor were they commissioned by Apple. These were not studies showing that the products and services of the author or funding party of the studies was better, as you assert. They were from 3rd parties like Gartner Group, which is hardly known for a pro-Apple bias.
Can you post a link of one of these studies? Because the only one I found a part from the IBM + Jamf is from 2010, that was funded by the Enterprise Desktop Alliance, which I don't think you'll find them reliable since they were "a consortium of enterprise software vendors, engaged in the promotion of wider usage of Macs, iPhones, and iPads in Windows-dominant environments".
Too bad there is no way to physically secure Apple laptops. The lack of a locking option will probably be a deal breaker in some environments.
Gotta get that negativity into the thread one way or another. Too bad, so sad, Macs suck, right? What’s really too bad is all those wannabe IT losers with their MCSE certificates from the local for-profit “trade” school trying to cling to their jobs by trashing anything but Windows.
I don't know his intent, but he has a point. The loss of the Kensington lock or another physical locking alternative does create a limitation for Macs in both corporate and commercial environments.
Thanks. I'm a pro-Apple, pro-Mac guy all the way, but where I work they are switching out PCs in favor of "laptop as desktop" and the only two options are Windows machines with Kensington locks. There is little chance that Macs would have been an option, but all Windows laptops without a locking option were omitted from consideration. So that's all I was getting it. It's too bad Apple couldn't include a locking option. If someone wants to read that as "Apple sucks, Apple can do nothing right" I suggest the reader is projecting rather than reading the actual words.
Seriously, there were TCO studies decades ago that showed the same thing. The only people who didn't get the message were either people selling Windows goods and services, support people that wanted to justify their paychecks, or the willfully ignorant/delusional.
All companies show how their services and products have the lower TCO, and that includes IBM, HP, Dell, Oracle, Microsoft and Red Hat. And there is no reason to believe they are lying. As an example, here is the study where MS show the TCO for Windows 10,
I would never expect any company to release an study where their product or service fail. At the same time, business and enterprises have different needs, and there are cases where a product/service is not the best option while in others is the best. A few months ago, Microsoft announce that the US DoD will upgrade 4 million devices to Windows 10,
ISo it looks like there are business and enterprises have may have a better TCO with Windows 10 than other solutions, including Macs.
As a person who supports both Windows PC's and iOS devices and macOS devices I will say that it is far easier to implement and support Apple devices than Windows devices. JAMF Pro alone is so much more intuitive to use vs SCCM. SCCM is typical Microsoft clunkiness. Just creating a simple query is a mess in SCCM where as in JAMF Pro its a breeze and takes literally 5 minutes or less to do and test.
I suppose that SCCM is not perfect. But still a powerful tool that's being used by many large business and enterprises. Gartner had Microsoft as a leader in client management tools, even over IBM, Symantec and other companies.
This whitepaper was from 2014, and from what I read, 2015 had the same results. This was the last year Gartner had the Client Management Tools category. If you read the article, it says that MS has the largest market share. Maybe can't do a query as elegant as Jamf (at least in your opinion), but it has to do something right to be the leader in the quadrant and marketshare, don't you think?
You can have iPads or Macs all setup and ready to go before the iPads
even get to your door because of how both Apple's DEP (Device Enrollment
Program) and how MDM's tie into Apple's systems. All you have to do is
take them out of the box, turn them on and connect to a network and as
you run through the initial setup they'll start configuring themselves
automagically. This isn't anywhere near as easy with Windows's PCs. No
even close!
Personally, I configure my customer devices with Group Policy, and it's very easy. One of the benefits is that the policy applies to every Windows device, that could be a 2-in-1, tablet/Surface, notebook, PC and/or remote desktop/VDI client. And the device is ready as soon as the user login. As today, the policy settings list for Windows Server is +4000 lines, so I suppose you'll find everything you need to manage in that list.
No solution is perfect. It just seems as if SCCM isn't as user friendly which I think its typical of a Microsoft product, especially in Enterprise. Everything just seems more complicated than it should be. Maybe Windows Admins like it this way.
Yes, we use Group Policy for our PC's as well. Its the same in the Apple world in JAMF Pro. They have configuration profiles that can be pushed out to certain scopes and you can create smart groups (or regular manually created groups) to assign it to. In a lot of ways, SCCM/Active Directory and JAMF Pro are very alike. Both just go about things very differently which makes sense since Windows is not like macOS and visa versa.
Since Microsoft is pretty much the leader in the Enterprise world it would only make sense that their management products would also be the leader. Apple doesn't make management products for its devices so people like JAMF create them for Apple. Since Apple isn't exactly huge in the Enterprise market (although they are gaining), it makes sense that SCCM would be the leader over anything that supports Apple products.
Too bad there is no way to physically secure Apple laptops. The lack of a locking option will probably be a deal breaker in some environments.
Gotta get that negativity into the thread one way or another. Too bad, so sad, Macs suck, right? What’s really too bad is all those wannabe IT losers with their MCSE certificates from the local for-profit “trade” school trying to cling to their jobs by trashing anything but Windows.
I don't know his intent, but he has a point. The loss of the Kensington lock or another physical locking alternative does create a limitation for Macs in both corporate and commercial environments.
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http://www.zdnet.com/article/tco-new-research-finds-macs-in-the-enterprise-easier-cheaper-to-manage-than-windows-pcs/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_Desktop_Alliance
Thanks. I'm a pro-Apple, pro-Mac guy all the way, but where I work they are switching out PCs in favor of "laptop as desktop" and the only two options are Windows machines with Kensington locks. There is little chance that Macs would have been an option, but all Windows laptops without a locking option were omitted from consideration. So that's all I was getting it. It's too bad Apple couldn't include a locking option. If someone wants to read that as "Apple sucks, Apple can do nothing right" I suggest the reader is projecting rather than reading the actual words.
Yes, we use Group Policy for our PC's as well. Its the same in the Apple world in JAMF Pro. They have configuration profiles that can be pushed out to certain scopes and you can create smart groups (or regular manually created groups) to assign it to. In a lot of ways, SCCM/Active Directory and JAMF Pro are very alike. Both just go about things very differently which makes sense since Windows is not like macOS and visa versa.
Since Microsoft is pretty much the leader in the Enterprise world it would only make sense that their management products would also be the leader. Apple doesn't make management products for its devices so people like JAMF create them for Apple. Since Apple isn't exactly huge in the Enterprise market (although they are gaining), it makes sense that SCCM would be the leader over anything that supports Apple products.
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