In-box band options for new Apple Watch buyers now limited to Sport, Milanese Loop

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  • Reply 21 of 24
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member

    darkvader said:
    They axed the 3.5mm port on iPhone 7 which was in use by just about every single user, in favor of something far betterworse.
    FTFY.

    No, sorry.  Empty space is NOT an improvement.  The 3.5mm analog audio port is a standard, works VERY well, has been a standard for a long time, and will continue to be a standard for a very long time into the future, Apple's little stunt notwithstanding. 

    And what did we gain?  Water resistance?  Nope.  The technology to make a 3.5mm audio jack water resistant has been around for a long time, and works very well.  Cool new something?  Nope.  There's enough empty space in that case to have put the jack in. 

    No, there was literally ZERO gain from leaving out that port.  The only reason to do it was Jony Ive's vanity.
    That's one place where I agree with apple. I'm happy to see that port gone. In three years, or so, it will be gone on every phone, everywhere. There was NO room in the case to do what Apple wanted. If you ever spare the time to look at teardowns of the product, you would know that, instead of making unsupported statements that are clearly wrong.
  • Reply 22 of 24
    DaekwanDaekwan Posts: 175member
    melgross said:

    Daekwan said:
    melgross said:
    Some of you guys are clearly missing the point of the problem here. I bought online, almost the minute the series 2 went on sale. What's the difference between buying the Watch and band as a unit, and being required to go through the Watch choices, and the going through the band choices before making the purchase? The difference I see would be the horrible inconvenience of forcing me to go through more hoops, taking more time. And with this bracelet, being told that it's "out of stock".

    you can always buy more bands later. In fact, it's not smart to buy several bands as you buy the Watch, because you have to get used to the first band before you can have some idea as to what you do, and don't, like about it.

    as I was saying, Apple needs to have all the bands in stock in the stores, and online. But they don't. The last time, a few months ago, when I went to my Apple Store to buy a new band, and some other things, they had only about half the places in the display filled. I asked why, and was told that they didn't really know, but that maybe the ones that were pulled didn't sell as well. They only had maybe five of all the bands in stock. Not the one I wanted. This isn't a tiny Apple Store either.

    i'm seeing this problem with Apple across the line. Why did they pull the SD card slot from the new Macbook Pro? Because most of their customers didn't use it. What percentage did, according to Apple? 20%. It seems to me that if 20% of your customers are using a feature, you don't pull it, that's a fair percentage.

    its what we're seeing with Watch bands. If it's not in the top few, it's pulled. If it's expensive, so it's not a major seller, it's out of stock. They can't do that with these products.
    Terrible example.  I find it hard to believe 20% of all Mac users user the SD card slot.  Everyone Mac user that I know, only used the SD card slot for one purpose:  transferring pictures from the DSLR to their Macbook.  As the cameras on phones have significantly improved.. the need for a DSLR has greatly diminished.  Sure no camera phone matches a DSLR in pure quality.. but the difference between the two is so close now that many amatuer DSLR users dont bother toting the huge camera around anymore.  I know I dont.  The last time I carried my Nikon D3100 around was six months ago on vacation in Europe.. and even then.. I never bothered to use it.  The camera iPhone7 Plus running the beta of 10.1 and using Portrait mode.. was so impressive why carry around the extra weight.

    And lets be real.  With the SD card slot only having one real purpose these days.. and a ton of USB-C adapters, hubs and cables on the market.. its not like anyone with 2016 Macbook is suddenly all out of luck for using an SD card anymore.  Hell a cheap $9 adapter will give them SD card slot that they will use exactly once every 28 months.  https://www.amazon.com/Aluminum-Adapter-Micro-USB-Function-USB-C-Silver/dp/B01N0R3ECG

    Stop trying to make SD card slot an issue.  Its 2017.. move on.  
    It's a great example. And we do know what that percentage is, because Apple told us. If you refuse to believe what they said, then good for you. If you're going to base your thoughts on something that isn't real, then good for you again. You don't seem to understand the purpose of the slot, and for whom it's intended.

    its not intended for you, apparently, because pros don't use their phone for their work, except in rare circumstances. This is intended for moving lots of big images from your camera to your PRO laptop, which you spent a lot of money on because you're using it for PRO work. And you're doing that in the field, where you need to transfer your images for safety, among other reasons.

    while I'm retired, I still do a fair amount of that. And no, we don't want to carry a bunch of adapters everywhere we go. And these cheap adapters you mention are good for people like you, but we want, and need, speedy transfers, and those adapters cost a lot more. We also don't want to directly attach our cameras to the computer unless we REALLY need to, which is almost never.

    since you're obviously not the person professional equipment is aimed at, either in cameras, or the computers needed to function with them, it's understandable why you don't understand why this is a problem. But Apple is abandoning pros all over their line-up. Even though Cook recently said, at the shareholders meeting, in response to a question about this very issue, that the pro user was very important to Apple, that a standard line they use for everything when asked.

    what we need is to see some evidence that Apple really does care, and care in a way that has them doing something about it. And that, we're not seeing.
    So every MacBook Pro user is now a professional photographer?

    Stop Lying.
  • Reply 23 of 24
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
    Daekwan said:
    melgross said:

    Daekwan said:
    melgross said:
    Some of you guys are clearly missing the point of the problem here. I bought online, almost the minute the series 2 went on sale. What's the difference between buying the Watch and band as a unit, and being required to go through the Watch choices, and the going through the band choices before making the purchase? The difference I see would be the horrible inconvenience of forcing me to go through more hoops, taking more time. And with this bracelet, being told that it's "out of stock".

    you can always buy more bands later. In fact, it's not smart to buy several bands as you buy the Watch, because you have to get used to the first band before you can have some idea as to what you do, and don't, like about it.

    as I was saying, Apple needs to have all the bands in stock in the stores, and online. But they don't. The last time, a few months ago, when I went to my Apple Store to buy a new band, and some other things, they had only about half the places in the display filled. I asked why, and was told that they didn't really know, but that maybe the ones that were pulled didn't sell as well. They only had maybe five of all the bands in stock. Not the one I wanted. This isn't a tiny Apple Store either.

    i'm seeing this problem with Apple across the line. Why did they pull the SD card slot from the new Macbook Pro? Because most of their customers didn't use it. What percentage did, according to Apple? 20%. It seems to me that if 20% of your customers are using a feature, you don't pull it, that's a fair percentage.

    its what we're seeing with Watch bands. If it's not in the top few, it's pulled. If it's expensive, so it's not a major seller, it's out of stock. They can't do that with these products.
    Terrible example.  I find it hard to believe 20% of all Mac users user the SD card slot.  Everyone Mac user that I know, only used the SD card slot for one purpose:  transferring pictures from the DSLR to their Macbook.  As the cameras on phones have significantly improved.. the need for a DSLR has greatly diminished.  Sure no camera phone matches a DSLR in pure quality.. but the difference between the two is so close now that many amatuer DSLR users dont bother toting the huge camera around anymore.  I know I dont.  The last time I carried my Nikon D3100 around was six months ago on vacation in Europe.. and even then.. I never bothered to use it.  The camera iPhone7 Plus running the beta of 10.1 and using Portrait mode.. was so impressive why carry around the extra weight.

    And lets be real.  With the SD card slot only having one real purpose these days.. and a ton of USB-C adapters, hubs and cables on the market.. its not like anyone with 2016 Macbook is suddenly all out of luck for using an SD card anymore.  Hell a cheap $9 adapter will give them SD card slot that they will use exactly once every 28 months.  https://www.amazon.com/Aluminum-Adapter-Micro-USB-Function-USB-C-Silver/dp/B01N0R3ECG

    Stop trying to make SD card slot an issue.  Its 2017.. move on.  
    It's a great example. And we do know what that percentage is, because Apple told us. If you refuse to believe what they said, then good for you. If you're going to base your thoughts on something that isn't real, then good for you again. You don't seem to understand the purpose of the slot, and for whom it's intended.

    its not intended for you, apparently, because pros don't use their phone for their work, except in rare circumstances. This is intended for moving lots of big images from your camera to your PRO laptop, which you spent a lot of money on because you're using it for PRO work. And you're doing that in the field, where you need to transfer your images for safety, among other reasons.

    while I'm retired, I still do a fair amount of that. And no, we don't want to carry a bunch of adapters everywhere we go. And these cheap adapters you mention are good for people like you, but we want, and need, speedy transfers, and those adapters cost a lot more. We also don't want to directly attach our cameras to the computer unless we REALLY need to, which is almost never.

    since you're obviously not the person professional equipment is aimed at, either in cameras, or the computers needed to function with them, it's understandable why you don't understand why this is a problem. But Apple is abandoning pros all over their line-up. Even though Cook recently said, at the shareholders meeting, in response to a question about this very issue, that the pro user was very important to Apple, that a standard line they use for everything when asked.

    what we need is to see some evidence that Apple really does care, and care in a way that has them doing something about it. And that, we're not seeing.
    So every MacBook Pro user is now a professional photographer?

    Stop Lying.
    Oh, for crying out loud. Do you really read entire posts, or just the part you aren't happy with? Did I say that every Macbook Pro buyer is a pro photographer? No. I did not. I quoted Apple's numbers as to the use of the SD slot, which is 20%. So, possibly, 20% of Macbook Pro users are either pro photogs, or advanced amateurs, who are using it. 

    And don't accuse me, or anyone else of lying. You really need to apologize for that.
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