Not a good day. If you're Samsung or Google, that is.
Another exploit discovered is the one Apple literally just patched in 10.3.1 whereby the Broadcom WiFi chip could be hacked without any intervention by the user.
Of course Google will patch it quickly. Just don't expect it to arrive on your device any time soon.
You neglected to thank Google for discovering it and letting Apple know.
Thank you google for stealing Apple's technology and stealing Billions of dollars from Apple and discovering this one tiny flaw. Certainly makes up for being a scumbag all these years.
No it doesn't. You'll never be part of Apple again, sorry.
Not a good day. If you're Samsung or Google, that is.
Another exploit discovered is the one Apple literally just patched in 10.3.1 whereby the Broadcom WiFi chip could be hacked without any intervention by the user.
Of course Google will patch it quickly. Just don't expect it to arrive on your device any time soon.
You neglected to thank Google for discovering it and letting Apple know.
Thank you google for stealing Apple's technology and stealing Billions of dollars from Apple and discovering this one tiny flaw. Certainly makes up for being a scumbag all these years.
No it doesn't. You'll never be part of Apple again, sorry.
You are certainly not the only person here who wishes to believe that. Apple themselves apparently do not share your belief (despite a supposed Jobs rant one day) since they've not ever brought a single suit against Google alleging any of the the things some here might like to think are facts.
And no it's not about money.That's an excuse put out there by some posters who don't know any better. If Apple truly thought Android was based on stolen Apple IP they could have taken it to court and shut Android down whenever they wished. Possibly taken several billion from Google in the process too whether the Big G ever made on dime on Android themselves, not that Apple needs any more money laying around. Kinda puts all the "stolen" comments frequently posted here at question.
As for "never being part of Apple again" they never were. Once upon a time Apple needed more Google assistance with the iPhone project features. That's why they were asked to sit on Apple's governing board. Now Apple doesn't and has enough money to replace anyone. Goog certainly isn't the only former Apple partner who isn't needed in the same way any longer, nor will they be the last. Apple's goal IMO is to take control of anything and everything that makes economic sense for them whether it be a service, component or build. There is no such thing as a firm Apple partner. They need you until they don't. Any provider, manufacturer or hardware supplier could be replaced on relatively little notice thru no fault of their own so personally I wouldn't base long-term plans on any Apple contract.
So to get back on topic I just don't see Tizen getting traction for handsets. It's neither a more reliable or capable OS than either iOS or Android. Nor could Google be removed from Samsung's picture without making it a death sentence for their handset business. No, for the foreseeable future Samsung and Google will be working together on various projects just as Apple and Samsung continue to despite their differences. Tizen may have a purpose (Sammy sees one) but not as a complete replacement for a Google-supplied OS.
As damning a picture as this article paints about Samsung and Tizen, they are probably not appreciably worse, and may even be better, than the vast majority of closed-development software that's been developed across all of software industry over the past couple of decades. It's very rare to encounter a software development organization that insists on fixing every critical software related anomaly it encounters during a product's development phase. Anomalies are stockpiled and accumulated with the intention of fixing them as time, schedule, and business priorities (i.e., ship dates) allow. Many never get fixed. Most shipping products have latent software anomalies. Some large OS versions (cough...cough..Windows) have shipped with tens of thousands of unresolved anomalies of various severity.
It's nice that the researcher qualified his statement with "... I've ever seen" because he hasn't seen it all and in all likelihood he hasn't seen the worst of it by any means.
Not a good day. If you're Samsung or Google, that is.
Another exploit discovered is the one Apple literally just patched in 10.3.1 whereby the Broadcom WiFi chip could be hacked without any intervention by the user.
Of course Google will patch it quickly. Just don't expect it to arrive on your device any time soon.
You neglected to thank Google for discovering it and letting Apple know.
Thank you google for stealing Apple's technology and stealing Billions of dollars from Apple and discovering this one tiny flaw. Certainly makes up for being a scumbag all these years.
No it doesn't. You'll never be part of Apple again, sorry.
What technology did Apple invent that didn't already exist? A smartphone OS? Several existed before Apple. Touchscreen smartphone? Existed already as well. All Apple did was implement them much better than any company had done previously.
Even if Tizen is crap, I still applaud Samsung for working on their own OS. I've been saying since at least the 1990s that WinPC vendors should've been working on developing their own OSes so that they would have a chance to get out from under Microsoft's thumb or be ready for any paradigm shifts in the market that may come about.
IBM should have thought of that for their PCs, oh wait a minute ....
*Sigh* And the Stagefright FUD rolls on. So much for honesty. Quoting the ACLU as your source of security news is a nice touch too.
Only at AI does every discussion of any OS (this one was supposedly Tizen) somehow morph into "yeah but... but... ANDROID!". There's nearly as much discussion about them as iOS here on some days. Weird. Well maybe not when certain editors seem to have a fixation with them. Must be slow on the Apple news front at the moment.
Then why the heck are you on his blog? You already stated you don't use Apple products. Why not read stuff on a site for pro Google folks and spare us?
*Sigh* And the Stagefright FUD rolls on. So much for honesty. Quoting the ACLU as your source of security news is a nice touch too.
Only at AI does every discussion of any OS (this one was supposedly Tizen) somehow morph into "yeah but... but... ANDROID!". There's nearly as much discussion about them as iOS here on some days. Weird. Well maybe not when certain editors seem to have a fixation with them. Must be slow on the Apple news front at the moment.
Then why the heck are you on his blog? You already stated you don't use Apple products. Why not read stuff on a site for pro Google folks and spare us?
Spare you from what? :? I'm not writing Android articles for AI. So carry on sir, your concern is mistargeted if it's the mention of Android that bothers you. Unless you have some great love of FUD why do you care who does the clarification?
And tho it's none of your business anyway, yes I do currently use Apple products. It's just not anything pertinent to most discussions so I choose not to mention it. It certainly doesn't magically change FUD to fact or vice-versa depending on what product I use at the moment.
Good to know that I have to look for another TV. Thanks God this was a present.
Not that I'm advocating getting a Samsung TV, but if you're stuck with one, the easy solution is just to ensure it's never connected to Wi-Fi or Ethernet.
What technology did Apple invent that didn't already exist? A smartphone OS? Several existed before Apple. Touchscreen smartphone? Existed already as well. All Apple did was implement them much better than any company had done previously.
Apple may not have invented all of the technology they use, but they always pay the licensing or acquire the companies they need to. Unlike what Google did to Sun by finding a loophole in the Java licensing instead of ponying up like everyone else did.
Even in the famous case that Fandroids love to bring up with the Xerox GUI, they at least gave Xerox shares in Apple which were worth millions a few years later (edit: the opportunity to acquire pre-IPO shares, which they did). Unlike Google/Alphabet who just keep dragging the Java case through the courts instead of doing the right thing.
Not good. I was hoping Samsung would be able to use Tizen to fragment the Android market. Looks like they have a lot of work to do.
Yeh, I thought so, too. It doesn't look as though anyone is going to be able to break Android into smaller market share. Maybe Samsung realized their code wasn't up to snuff and that's why so few Samsung smartphones use Tizen OS. I thought Samsung just didn't have the balls to stand up to Google. Android is fully entrenched due to laziness on the part of manufacturers. They don't want to develop their own OS and they'd rather get everything for free (at a dangerous price of total dependency of Google). Google set the perfect trap to own the mobile OS market.
Even if Tizen is crap, I still applaud Samsung for working on their own OS. I've been saying since at least the 1990s that WinPC vendors should've been working on developing their own OSes so that they would have a chance to get out from under Microsoft's thumb or be ready for any paradigm shifts in the market that may come about.
Given the sophistication and complexity of iOS, MacOS and Windows, is it possible for anyone to create a competitive OS from scratch... or will quantum computing and AI obviate all current and future offerings?
Of course. Google is competing with both Android and Chrome OS. Then you have Linux running on countless servers. Regardless of how you feel about those OSes they are taking business away from Apple and MS.
WebOS, Tizen, and many others even have marketshare on other devices. I assume my Samsung TV uses Tizen, and from a UI standpoint it's the best TV OS I've used. If it's insecure because of Tizen I guess I'll have to deal with the US gov't see what I watch on Netflix and Amazon Prime (the former is how I can get 4K+HDR on TV and the latter is the same, without even an option on my AppleTV).
Well..Samsung is the company that made a washing machine that caught fire, which I would think would be hard to accomplish. So what do you expect?
They didn't catch fire. They became unbalanced to the point that they would shake violently and then burst apart. In other words, an explosion, but not a combustion.
*Sigh* And the Stagefright FUD rolls on. So much for honesty. Quoting the ACLU as your source of security news is a nice touch too.
Only at AI does every discussion of any OS (this one was supposedly Tizen) somehow morph into "yeah but... but... ANDROID!". There's nearly as much discussion about them as iOS here on some days. Weird. Well maybe not when certain editors seem to have a fixation with them. Must be slow on the Apple news front at the moment.
The only person who ever seems to have a problem with the coverage here is you -- Googleguy.
Tho now you can tag team with Freeper, he's a google-guy too, and loves to post about how iOS sucks and android rules and AI is biased.
Not a good day. If you're Samsung or Google, that is.
Another exploit discovered is the one Apple literally just patched in 10.3.1 whereby the Broadcom WiFi chip could be hacked without any intervention by the user.
Of course Google will patch it quickly. Just don't expect it to arrive on your device any time soon.
You neglected to thank Google for discovering it and letting Apple know.
You neglected to thank Apple for providing the muse for which Android devices were completely ripped off from. (I'll spare you from posting The Photo yet again).
Not a good day. If you're Samsung or Google, that is.
Another exploit discovered is the one Apple literally just patched in 10.3.1 whereby the Broadcom WiFi chip could be hacked without any intervention by the user.
Of course Google will patch it quickly. Just don't expect it to arrive on your device any time soon.
You neglected to thank Google for discovering it and letting Apple know.
Thank you google for stealing Apple's technology and stealing Billions of dollars from Apple and discovering this one tiny flaw. Certainly makes up for being a scumbag all these years.
No it doesn't. You'll never be part of Apple again, sorry.
What technology did Apple invent that didn't already exist? A smartphone OS? Several existed before Apple. Touchscreen smartphone? Existed already as well. All Apple did was implement them much better than any company had done previously.
That's as stupid as saying "What technology did Tesla invent? Cars already existed!"
*Sigh* And the Stagefright FUD rolls on. So much for honesty. Quoting the ACLU as your source of security news is a nice touch too.
Only at AI does every discussion of any OS (this one was supposedly Tizen) somehow morph into "yeah but... but... ANDROID!". There's nearly as much discussion about them as iOS here on some days. Weird. Well maybe not when certain editors seem to have a fixation with them. Must be slow on the Apple news front at the moment.
The only person who ever seems to have a problem with the coverage here is you -- Googleguy.
But hey, now you can tag team with Freeper, he's a google-guy too, and loves to post about how iOS sucks and android rules.
Well, after starting to read it, I got the sensation that the focus of the article wasn't so much Tizen or Samsung but Google and Android.
I have a Tizen based TV and it has its share of issues but I would imagine that most smart TVs suffer from security problems. I've always questioned OTA updates and the ease at which they could be abused.
I hope that development begins to focus more on security as companies get called out and that legislation catches up at some point and begins to hold companies responsible for security failures due to poor management.
Not a good day. If you're Samsung or Google, that is.
Another exploit discovered is the one Apple literally just patched in 10.3.1 whereby the Broadcom WiFi chip could be hacked without any intervention by the user.
Of course Google will patch it quickly. Just don't expect it to arrive on your device any time soon.
You neglected to thank Google for discovering it and letting Apple know.
You neglected to thank Apple for providing the muse for which Android devices were completely ripped off from. (I'll spare you from posting The Photo yet again).
What's "the photo"? Surely you aren't referring to the old phone mockups provided by Moto, Samsung and someone else whose name escapes me when Google needed test hardware for Android code "back in the day".
Not a good day. If you're Samsung or Google, that is.
Another exploit discovered is the one Apple literally just patched in 10.3.1 whereby the Broadcom WiFi chip could be hacked without any intervention by the user.
Of course Google will patch it quickly. Just don't expect it to arrive on your device any time soon.
You neglected to thank Google for discovering it and letting Apple know.
You neglected to thank Apple for providing the muse for which Android devices were completely ripped off from. (I'll spare you from posting The Photo yet again).
What's "the photo"? Surely you aren't referring to the old phone mockups provided by Moto, Samsung and someone else whose name escapes me when Google needed test hardware for Android code "back in the day" before it became a commercial product.
*Sigh* And the Stagefright FUD rolls on. So much for honesty. Quoting the ACLU as your source of security news is a nice touch too.
Only at AI does every discussion of any OS (this one was supposedly Tizen) somehow morph into "yeah but... but... ANDROID!". There's nearly as much discussion about them as iOS here on some days. Weird. Well maybe not when certain editors seem to have a fixation with them. Must be slow on the Apple news front at the moment.
The only person who ever seems to have a problem with the coverage here is you
Hardly since mention of Google or Android by anyone here usually gets a negative response. To be honest tho I'm a little surprised that obviously educated members such as yourself either don't catch misstatements in some articles or instances of outright FUD that get posted more often than you do, or that if your recognize it as such are so tolerant of it. Misinformation doesn't benefit anyone but marketers.
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No it doesn't. You'll never be part of Apple again, sorry.
And no it's not about money.That's an excuse put out there by some posters who don't know any better. If Apple truly thought Android was based on stolen Apple IP they could have taken it to court and shut Android down whenever they wished. Possibly taken several billion from Google in the process too whether the Big G ever made on dime on Android themselves, not that Apple needs any more money laying around. Kinda puts all the "stolen" comments frequently posted here at question.
As for "never being part of Apple again" they never were. Once upon a time Apple needed more Google assistance with the iPhone project features. That's why they were asked to sit on Apple's governing board. Now Apple doesn't and has enough money to replace anyone. Goog certainly isn't the only former Apple partner who isn't needed in the same way any longer, nor will they be the last. Apple's goal IMO is to take control of anything and everything that makes economic sense for them whether it be a service, component or build. There is no such thing as a firm Apple partner. They need you until they don't. Any provider, manufacturer or hardware supplier could be replaced on relatively little notice thru no fault of their own so personally I wouldn't base long-term plans on any Apple contract.
So to get back on topic I just don't see Tizen getting traction for handsets. It's neither a more reliable or capable OS than either iOS or Android. Nor could Google be removed from Samsung's picture without making it a death sentence for their handset business. No, for the foreseeable future Samsung and Google will be working together on various projects just as Apple and Samsung continue to despite their differences. Tizen may have a purpose (Sammy sees one) but not as a complete replacement for a Google-supplied OS.
It's nice that the researcher qualified his statement with "... I've ever seen" because he hasn't seen it all and in all likelihood he hasn't seen the worst of it by any means.
Researcher calls Samsung's Tizen OS "the worst code I've ever seen"
The article paints a possible picture:Researcher say Samsung's Tizen OS "MAY be the worst code I've ever seen".
Which one is correct?Reported in case the mods don't notice on their own.
EDIT: And quickly dealt with. Excellent moderation!
I'm not writing Android articles for AI. So carry on sir, your concern is mistargeted if it's the mention of Android that bothers you. Unless you have some great love of FUD why do you care who does the clarification?
And tho it's none of your business anyway, yes I do currently use Apple products. It's just not anything pertinent to most discussions so I choose not to mention it. It certainly doesn't magically change FUD to fact or vice-versa depending on what product I use at the moment.
Even in the famous case that Fandroids love to bring up with the Xerox GUI, they at least gave Xerox shares in Apple which were worth millions a few years later (edit: the opportunity to acquire pre-IPO shares, which they did). Unlike Google/Alphabet who just keep dragging the Java case through the courts instead of doing the right thing.
WebOS, Tizen, and many others even have marketshare on other devices. I assume my Samsung TV uses Tizen, and from a UI standpoint it's the best TV OS I've used. If it's insecure because of Tizen I guess I'll have to deal with the US gov't see what I watch on Netflix and Amazon Prime (the former is how I can get 4K+HDR on TV and the latter is the same, without even an option on my AppleTV).
Tho now you can tag team with Freeper, he's a google-guy too, and loves to post about how iOS sucks and android rules and AI is biased.
You neglected to thank Apple for providing the muse for which Android devices were completely ripped off from. (I'll spare you from posting The Photo yet again).
I have a Tizen based TV and it has its share of issues but I would imagine that most smart TVs suffer from security problems. I've always questioned OTA updates and the ease at which they could be abused.
I hope that development begins to focus more on security as companies get called out and that legislation catches up at some point and begins to hold companies responsible for security failures due to poor management.
StrangeDays said: Hardly since mention of Google or Android by anyone here usually gets a negative response. To be honest tho I'm a little surprised that obviously educated members such as yourself either don't catch misstatements in some articles or instances of outright FUD that get posted more often than you do, or that if your recognize it as such are so tolerant of it. Misinformation doesn't benefit anyone but marketers.