The race to the new bottom begins. These company's are already making very little money or losing money and now even cheaper phones? Ouch. Seems like a bad movie to go this direction. Spitting the OS like this.
Cheap hardware and cheap phones as for more 3rd party crapware in the name of trying to turn a profit.
Even if Google never saw a penny from it people born into poor areas in India, Africa, Indonesia and other 3rd world places will benefit. They'll gain access to information and resources that might help them improve their condition.
Just because someone cannot afford an iPhone does not mean they are unworthy of the potential benefit a smartphone offers. Personally I quite like the idea that Google is at least trying to address them and their needs. It's no race to the bottom, it's an effort to expand availability to those that are very often forgotten and ignored because they happen to be poor.
The thing is that the poor areas in India (I cannot speak for other countries) are already being exposed to the Information Superhighway. There are feature phone/ smartphone hybrids that allow access to the Internet and apps. All of those phones are some variations of Android already. What exactly is Google gaining with Go?
If Google leaves it to the carriers to use the API then good luck. Android Go will end up with the same bloatware that Android suffers from.
Google is gaining a platform to deploy a stripped down, optimised OS to. No doubt the result could be the phasing out of those hybrid phones you mention.
As for bloatware, it could be a problem but who would fill an already limited phone with that? FWIW, my last two Android phones have shipped without bloatware.
The race to the new bottom begins. These company's are already making very little money or losing money and now even cheaper phones? Ouch. Seems like a bad movie to go this direction. Spitting the OS like this.
Cheap hardware and cheap phones as for more 3rd party crapware in the name of trying to turn a profit.
Even if Google never saw a penny from it people born into poor areas in India, Africa, Indonesia and other 3rd world places will benefit. They'll gain access to information and resources that might help them improve their condition.
Just because someone cannot afford an iPhone does not mean they are unworthy of the potential benefit a smartphone offers. Personally I quite like the idea that Google is at least trying to address them and their needs. It's no race to the bottom, it's an effort to expand availability to those that are very often forgotten and ignored because they happen to be poor.
The thing is that the poor areas in India (I cannot speak for other countries) are already being exposed to the Information Superhighway. There are feature phone/ smartphone hybrids that allow access to the Internet and apps. All of those phones are some variations of Android already. What exactly is Google gaining with Go?
If Google leaves it to the carriers to use the API then good luck. Android Go will end up with the same bloatware that Android suffers from.
My guess is that - Google was unable to convince the small Android OEMs about viability of Android One as a profitable exercise, particularly because the "specs" for Android One handsets were damn low. Most of the Android One devices launched with Android Kitkat (1GB RAM, old quad core processors from Qualcomm or Mediatek). Upgrading them to Lollipop or Marshmallow was an exercise in futile (and it was google's responsibility to update those phones) because the hardware requirements for Android L/M was higher and direct Android updates from Google was no longer a selling point for those phones (because those versions made those phones nearly unusable). With Android Go, Google is trying to convince small Android OEMs about the viability of Android One again. With more device running Android, Google is planning to earn more revenue on Ads.
The race to the new bottom begins. These company's are already making very little money or losing money and now even cheaper phones? Ouch. Seems like a bad movie to go this direction. Spitting the OS like this.
Cheap hardware and cheap phones as for more 3rd party crapware in the name of trying to turn a profit.
Even if Google never saw a penny from it people born into poor areas in India, Africa, Indonesia and other 3rd world places will benefit. They'll gain access to information and resources that might help them improve their condition.
Just because someone cannot afford an iPhone does not mean they are unworthy of the potential benefit a smartphone offers. Personally I quite like the idea that Google is at least trying to address them and their needs. It's no race to the bottom, it's an effort to expand availability to those that are very often forgotten and ignored because they happen to be poor.
The thing is that the poor areas in India (I cannot speak for other countries) are already being exposed to the Information Superhighway. There are feature phone/ smartphone hybrids that allow access to the Internet and apps. All of those phones are some variations of Android already. What exactly is Google gaining with Go?
If Google leaves it to the carriers to use the API then good luck. Android Go will end up with the same bloatware that Android suffers from.
Google is gaining a platform to deploy a stripped down, optimised OS to. No doubt the result could be the phasing out of those hybrid phones you mention.
As for bloatware, it could be a problem but who would fill an already limited phone with that? FWIW, my last two Android phones have shipped without bloatware.
Who would fill a limited phone with that? Every manufacturer/carrier that sees a few free MBs to make money on. I remember a family member buying an LG phone and it literally had no free space on it out of the box. I had to root it to remove the bloatware from both Vodafone and LG so they could actually use it. More recently, I had to do something similar on my old man's Samsung J5 (i think it's called) - storage wasn't the issue this time but clearing out and disabling the samdung rubbish certainly sped it up noticeably.
The race to the new bottom begins. These company's are already making very little money or losing money and now even cheaper phones? Ouch. Seems like a bad movie to go this direction. Spitting the OS like this.
Cheap hardware and cheap phones as for more 3rd party crapware in the name of trying to turn a profit.
Even if Google never saw a penny from it people born into poor areas in India, Africa, Indonesia and other 3rd world places will benefit. They'll gain access to information and resources that might help them improve their condition.
Just because someone cannot afford an iPhone does not mean they are unworthy of the potential benefit a smartphone offers. Personally I quite like the idea that Google is at least trying to address them and their needs. It's no race to the bottom, it's an effort to expand availability to those that are very often forgotten and ignored because they happen to be poor.
The thing is that the poor areas in India (I cannot speak for other countries) are already being exposed to the Information Superhighway. There are feature phone/ smartphone hybrids that allow access to the Internet and apps. All of those phones are some variations of Android already. What exactly is Google gaining with Go?
If Google leaves it to the carriers to use the API then good luck. Android Go will end up with the same bloatware that Android suffers from.
Google is gaining a platform to deploy a stripped down, optimised OS to. No doubt the result could be the phasing out of those hybrid phones you mention.
As for bloatware, it could be a problem but who would fill an already limited phone with that? FWIW, my last two Android phones have shipped without bloatware.
Who would fill a limited phone with that? Every manufacturer/carrier that sees a few free MBs to make money on. I remember a family member buying an LG phone and it literally had no free space on it out of the box. I had to root it to remove the bloatware from both Vodafone and LG so they could actually use it. More recently, I had to do something similar on my old man's Samsung J5 (i think it's called) - storage wasn't the issue this time but clearing out and disabling the samdung rubbish certainly sped it up noticeably.
The same will happen with Android Go.
Hard to imagine LG/Samsung taking the Android Go route for their phones in the future. Android Go is aimed at the small OEMs (like Micromax, Karbonn etc), who were part of the Android One program earlier. Those OEMs have neither time nor resources to add bloatware/update their phones to the latest version. Google will take care of updating their phones.
On one hand, Google is learning (it's about more than just hardware specs and checkbox features).
On the other hand, what they are doing with this initiative is also good for Apple. Expanding the number of first-time smartphone owners worldwide. As Tim Cook said, Andriod is a training ground for many eventual iPhone owners. Plus what Gatorguy said; it's good for impoverished people, as a smartphone can be an enabling technology to help enterprising individuals move up the economic ladder. And that, of course, is also good for Apple, as it's among that subset where some will eventually switch to a more premium phone, spelled I P H O N E.
I'd rather put windows on a phone than anything Google (and I'd likely get a better performance too). Android is A DOG, not sure what kind of amateurs work there but its basically embarrassing for the developers (and yes I've got 30 years of management and engineering experience in the tech industry, including a decade in the valley, so I can make this judgment call :-)
The race to the new bottom begins. These company's are already making very little money or losing money and now even cheaper phones? Ouch. Seems like a bad movie to go this direction. Spitting the OS like this.
Cheap hardware and cheap phones as for more 3rd party crapware in the name of trying to turn a profit.
Even if Google never saw a penny from it people born into poor areas in India, Africa, Indonesia and other 3rd world places will benefit. They'll gain access to information and resources that might help them improve their condition.
Just because someone cannot afford an iPhone does not mean they are unworthy of the potential benefit a smartphone offers. Personally I quite like the idea that Google is at least trying to address them and their needs. It's no race to the bottom, it's an effort to expand availability to those that are very often forgotten and ignored because they happen to be poor.
The thing is that the poor areas in India (I cannot speak for other countries) are already being exposed to the Information Superhighway. There are feature phone/ smartphone hybrids that allow access to the Internet and apps. All of those phones are some variations of Android already. What exactly is Google gaining with Go?
If Google leaves it to the carriers to use the API then good luck. Android Go will end up with the same bloatware that Android suffers from.
Forcing OEM to do their bidding is basically inviting anti-trust and is a losing proposition for the OEM. Google's been pretty lucky that anti-trust forces have not kicked their ass already in the EU; but it is coming anyway.
On one hand, Google is learning (it's about more than just hardware specs and checkbox features).
On the other hand, what they are doing with this initiative is also good for Apple. Expanding the number of first-time smartphone owners worldwide. As Tim Cook said, Andriod is a training ground for many eventual iPhone owners. Plus what Gatorguy said; it's good for impoverished people, as a smartphone can be an enabling technology to help enterprising individuals move up the economic ladder. And that, of course, is also good for Apple, as it's among that subset where some will eventually switch to a more premium phone, spelled I P H O N E.
I'd rather put windows on a phone than anything Google (and I'd likely get a better performance too). Android is A DOG, not sure what kind of amateurs work there but its basically embarrassing for the developers (and yes I've got 30 years of management and engineering experience in the tech industry, including a decade in the valley, so I can make this judgment call :-)
Windows phone is DEAD for all practical purposes. Even Microsoft has accepted this and STOPPED releasing new phones for last 1 year.
This move makes sense to me. I will remind everyone how evil Google is. (I say evil because I don't like it but it is smart on their part). Google controls the info in searches and in the ecosystem they create. I am quite shocked that several companies or governments have not addressed this. They essentially own the internet space that their search mechanics occupy. Absolutely crazy to me. To allow 1 company to influence like that.
The race to the new bottom begins. These company's are already making very little money or losing money and now even cheaper phones? Ouch. Seems like a bad movie to go this direction. Spitting the OS like this.
Cheap hardware and cheap phones as for more 3rd party crapware in the name of trying to turn a profit.
Even if Google never saw a penny from it people born into poor areas in India, Africa, Indonesia and other 3rd world places will benefit. They'll gain access to information and resources that might help them improve their condition.
Just because someone cannot afford an iPhone does not mean they are unworthy of the potential benefit a smartphone offers. Personally I quite like the idea that Google is at least trying to address them and their needs. It's no race to the bottom, it's an effort to expand availability to those that are very often forgotten and ignored because they happen to be poor.
I'm all for these people benefitting from technology and access of information, but I'd heavily disagree with you if you believe this is Google's motivation. Android Go will expand the eyeballs for ad revenue, that's all there is to it. It can be framed in whatever feel good way that Google would like, but at the end of the day it's something that benefits them and their business model. Google couldn't care less how expensive the hardware is, as long people can access their ad subsidized services.
Just because someone cannot afford an iPhone does not mean they are unworthy of the potential benefit a smartphone offers. Personally I quite like the idea that Google is at least trying to address them and their needs. It's no race to the bottom, it's an effort to expand availability to those that are very often forgotten and ignored because they happen to be poor.
Don't be so naive Google is only addressing it's own needs.
Just because someone cannot afford an iPhone does not mean they are unworthy of the potential benefit a smartphone offers. Personally I quite like the idea that Google is at least trying to address them and their needs. It's no race to the bottom, it's an effort to expand availability to those that are very often forgotten and ignored because they happen to be poor.
Don't be so naive Google is only addressing it's own needs.
Even if that's the intent (and with Google's new CEO I don't think it is) it's not the only result. Don't be so resistant to admitting there's some good in it too.
On one hand, Google is learning (it's about more than just hardware specs and checkbox features).
On the other hand, what they are doing with this initiative is also good for Apple. Expanding the number of first-time smartphone owners worldwide. As Tim Cook said, Andriod is a training ground for many eventual iPhone owners. Plus what Gatorguy said; it's good for impoverished people, as a smartphone can be an enabling technology to help enterprising individuals move up the economic ladder. And that, of course, is also good for Apple, as it's among that subset where some will eventually switch to a more premium phone, spelled I P H O N E.
I'd rather put windows on a phone than anything Google (and I'd likely get a better performance too). Android is A DOG, not sure what kind of amateurs work there but its basically embarrassing for the developers (and yes I've got 30 years of management and engineering experience in the tech industry, including a decade in the valley, so I can make this judgment call :-)
Windows phone is DEAD for all practical purposes. Even Microsoft has accepted this and STOPPED releasing new phones for last 1 year.
It will be used on IOT and tablets still and the ARM version of plain old window (not a bastard variant) is coming (or there). That alone will eventually seep back down eventually cause the integration between mobile versions of windows and windows (which is still the main desktop form factor) is fantastic Windows on low resource devices runs much ,much much better than android and the license mostly free too..
On one hand, Google is learning (it's about more than just hardware specs and checkbox features).
On the other hand, what they are doing with this initiative is also good for Apple. Expanding the number of first-time smartphone owners worldwide. As Tim Cook said, Andriod is a training ground for many eventual iPhone owners. Plus what Gatorguy said; it's good for impoverished people, as a smartphone can be an enabling technology to help enterprising individuals move up the economic ladder. And that, of course, is also good for Apple, as it's among that subset where some will eventually switch to a more premium phone, spelled I P H O N E.
I'd rather put windows on a phone than anything Google (and I'd likely get a better performance too). Android is A DOG, not sure what kind of amateurs work there but its basically embarrassing for the developers (and yes I've got 30 years of management and engineering experience in the tech industry, including a decade in the valley, so I can make this judgment call :-)
Windows phone is DEAD for all practical purposes. Even Microsoft has accepted this and STOPPED releasing new phones for last 1 year.
It will be used on IOT and tablets still and the ARM version of plain old window (not a bastard variant) is coming (or there). That alone will eventually seep back down eventually cause the integration between mobile versions of windows and windows (which is still the main desktop form factor) is fantastic Windows on low resource devices runs much ,much much better than android and the license mostly free too..
Android runs quite well on low-resource devices. Strawberry Pi hardware would be an example. So would various IoT devices running Android as the OS, and now under the Android Things umbrella. I really have no clue why you think Windows is smoother. Can you even put Windows on the Pi? Maybe you can but I didn't see reference to it.
I look forward to Facebook hitting the under the 10mb mark. Maybe they can apply what they learn to write decent apps for all platform. Indeed Google (and Apple) why not allow app store reviewers to bump any app that's size is disproportional to the content? That would be a bonus across all platforms.
Apple should follow the lead on this it would be great to hand me down older devices and know they have maintained security.
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As for bloatware, it could be a problem but who would fill an already limited phone with that? FWIW, my last two Android phones have shipped without bloatware.
The same will happen with Android Go.
Hard to imagine LG/Samsung taking the Android Go route for their phones in the future. Android Go is aimed at the small OEMs (like Micromax, Karbonn etc), who were part of the Android One program earlier. Those OEMs have neither time nor resources to add bloatware/update their phones to the latest version. Google will take care of updating their phones.
Android is A DOG, not sure what kind of amateurs work there but its basically embarrassing for the developers (and yes I've got 30 years of management and engineering experience in the tech industry, including a decade in the valley, so I can make this judgment call :-)
Google's been pretty lucky that anti-trust forces have not kicked their ass already in the EU; but it is coming anyway.
Windows phone is DEAD for all practical purposes. Even Microsoft has accepted this and STOPPED releasing new phones for last 1 year.
I'm all for these people benefitting from technology and access of information, but I'd heavily disagree with you if you believe this is Google's motivation. Android Go will expand the eyeballs for ad revenue, that's all there is to it. It can be framed in whatever feel good way that Google would like, but at the end of the day it's something that benefits them and their business model. Google couldn't care less how expensive the hardware is, as long people can access their ad subsidized services.
Don't be so naive Google is only addressing it's own needs.
Windows on low resource devices runs much ,much much better than android and the license mostly free too..
Indeed Google (and Apple) why not allow app store reviewers to bump any app that's size is disproportional to the content?
That would be a bonus across all platforms.
Apple should follow the lead on this it would be great to hand me down older devices and know they have maintained security.