I'm not a fan of Samsung, but do these lawyers have any statistics to show these devices have a substantially higher risk of fires than the industry average (like the Note 7 did)? Otherwise it just seems like greedy lawyers searching for a class action where there isn't any merit.
Well, if consumers come to them wanting to sue, then that's what the lawyer should do, as long as there's evidence there was a real problem. If a number of people have that problem, then it could be expanded further to a class action. That's their job.
The Note 7 problem was so outrageous, and so far out of norm, that almost nothing can be compared to that. There were about 300 fires in the first two weeks the phone was on sale, worldwide. During that time, about 2.5 million were sold. notes have sold about 10 million a year. If we extrapolate that, and say 12.5 million a year, to make it easy, that would be about 1,500 fires over the year. Almost nothing can compare to that.
but if there's say, 30 fires in a year, that would still be far out of norm. In 2016, Apple sold about 215 million phones. Just a handful caught fire. That's normal.
Where did you get that 300 figure from? That's several times any reports I've seen.
Google lists nearly 200,000 search results related to overheating specific to "Galaxy S8," many of which suggest removing third party apps and clearing cache files to prevent Android from allowing software to run unchecked, creating a thermal issue that could turn flawed or physically damaged phones into fire hazards.There are many reports of Samsung's newest S8 models overheating, too
If Samsung is getting law suits for all those devices apple should be as well considering that Samsung SDI manufacturers the batteries for all the iPhone's up till the iPhone 7. People dont really realize that samsung is one of the major suppliers for the components inside the iPhone. Just saying.
Actually, Samsung makes some top-notch components that have the best reliability anywhere. This is why Apple uses them. The problem with the exploding Samsung phone wasn't with the components; it was with the design of the phone.
In an effort to out-spec Apple, Samsung designers packed as much as they could into the case, but failed to leave enough room inside for the battery to expand when it heated up. Samsung initially blamed the battery because they panicked; they realised they had a major disaster on their hands and needed to get ahead of it as soon as possible. So they replaced the burners with new phones with new batteries – which then, disastrously, went on to demonstrate the exact same problem. It was only much later that the company realised that the design of the phone was the problem.
So the problem isn't the battery; the problem is the phone, and Apple doesn't sell Samsung phones; they use Samsung parts.
This is wrong. There was nothing wrong with the phone.
The problem was a case, but not the phone case. It was the battery casing that the cell went into. The corner of the battery casing was curved and caused the layers of the cell to be forced together when the cell was inserted into the casing during battery assembly. This was verified by independent lab tests.
The secondary problem was an insulating layer that was supposed to overlap where they joined , but was actually too short and left a small gap creating an area where a potential short could occur.
So Samsung screwed up royally by having two separate problems with their battery, that both got missed during "quality control". That's a major fukup.
You are correct, and so is the poster I replied to: Apple better stay on its toes since it sources so many parts from Samsung. And they should consider this lawsuit as a low-ball practise run for coming after them.
Google lists nearly 200,000 search results related to overheating specific to "Galaxy S8," many of which suggest removing third party apps and clearing cache files to prevent Android from allowing software to run unchecked, creating a thermal issue that could turn flawed or physically damaged phones into fire hazards.There are many reports of Samsung's newest S8 models overheating, too
Google lists nearly 200,000 search results related to overheating specific to "Galaxy S8," many of which suggest removing third party apps and clearing cache files to prevent Android from allowing software to run unchecked, creating a thermal issue that could turn flawed or physically damaged phones into fire hazards.There are many reports of Samsung's newest S8 models overheating, too
I'm not a fan of Samsung, but do these lawyers have any statistics to show these devices have a substantially higher risk of fires than the industry average (like the Note 7 did)? Otherwise it just seems like greedy lawyers searching for a class action where there isn't any merit.
Well, if consumers come to them wanting to sue, then that's what the lawyer should do, as long as there's evidence there was a real problem. If a number of people have that problem, then it could be expanded further to a class action. That's their job.
The Note 7 problem was so outrageous, and so far out of norm, that almost nothing can be compared to that. There were about 300 fires in the first two weeks the phone was on sale, worldwide. During that time, about 2.5 million were sold. notes have sold about 10 million a year. If we extrapolate that, and say 12.5 million a year, to make it easy, that would be about 1,500 fires over the year. Almost nothing can compare to that.
but if there's say, 30 fires in a year, that would still be far out of norm. In 2016, Apple sold about 215 million phones. Just a handful caught fire. That's normal.
Agreed completely with you on all the points and highlighting the most important statement in your post - Nothing can be compared to the Note 7 problem. BUT this article seems to be attempting to convey the message "Other flagship phones of Samsung for the last 2 years (including the latest flagship phones AFTER Note 7) HAVE SAME problem as Note 7". An attempt at FUD towards Samsung (an important partner for Apple who is going to provide the display technology to Apple that would be the KEY reason for the upcoming super-cycle) by providing "alternate facts"?
Google lists nearly 200,000 search results related to overheating specific to "Galaxy S8," many of which suggest removing third party apps and clearing cache files to prevent Android from allowing software to run unchecked, creating a thermal issue that could turn flawed or physically damaged phones into fire hazards.There are many reports of Samsung's newest S8 models overheating, too
Google lists nearly 200,000 search results related to overheating specific to "Galaxy S8," many of which suggest removing third party apps and clearing cache files to prevent Android from allowing software to run unchecked, creating a thermal issue that could turn flawed or physically damaged phones into fire hazards.There are many reports of Samsung's newest S8 models overheating, too
I'm not a fan of Samsung, but do these lawyers have any statistics to show these devices have a substantially higher risk of fires than the industry average (like the Note 7 did)? Otherwise it just seems like greedy lawyers searching for a class action where there isn't any merit.
Well, if consumers come to them wanting to sue, then that's what the lawyer should do, as long as there's evidence there was a real problem. If a number of people have that problem, then it could be expanded further to a class action. That's their job.
The Note 7 problem was so outrageous, and so far out of norm, that almost nothing can be compared to that. There were about 300 fires in the first two weeks the phone was on sale, worldwide. During that time, about 2.5 million were sold. notes have sold about 10 million a year. If we extrapolate that, and say 12.5 million a year, to make it easy, that would be about 1,500 fires over the year. Almost nothing can compare to that.
but if there's say, 30 fires in a year, that would still be far out of norm. In 2016, Apple sold about 215 million phones. Just a handful caught fire. That's normal.
It's not really "normal" for phones to catch on fire unless they are significantly damaged (internally broken from trauma) or are recharged with a defective or improperly built charger or damaged cable.
However, Samsung's flagships are very large devices built around high-energy drain displays and overclocked chips that require large capacity batteries and attempt to provide rapid charging with high wattage chargers. Add in poor power management software and you get substantial risk of fire that's far larger than a typical phone.
Apart from actual fires, there are lots of reports of overheating. In fact it appears pretty common among Android phones in general. Add together the platform, poor QA, rushed to market at discounts to a demographic that's likely to keep using them after being damaged and you have even higher risk.
It's normal to expect a tiny number of failures. Anyone who says that not true doesn't understand the nature of manufacturing. It's impossible to keep everything within spec if an infinitesimal number of parts have a defect. It's going to happen. A a handful of fires in a group of over 200 million can't be helped.
Google lists nearly 200,000 search results related to overheating specific to "Galaxy S8," many of which suggest removing third party apps and clearing cache files to prevent Android from allowing software to run unchecked, creating a thermal issue that could turn flawed or physically damaged phones into fire hazards.There are many reports of Samsung's newest S8 models overheating, too
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Where did you get that 300 figure from? That's several times any reports I've seen.
My mistake.
https://www.wired.com/2017/01/why-the-samsung-galaxy-note-7-kept-exploding/
You are correct, and so is the poster I replied to: Apple better stay on its toes since it sources so many parts from Samsung. And they should consider this lawsuit as a low-ball practise run for coming after them.
Agreed completely with you on this. Which is why I asked the other question.
I don't get it. Can you please elaborate? What exactly is your point?