Seems like you can convince yourself better than any of us can. If you know that there are OS X versions of all the business software (statistical and otherwise) that you need to run, then go for the TiBook, it's supposed to be great. If not, then go with Dell or whatever or company you're considering.
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then you won't be buying ANY laptop for gaming.
they are amazingly overpriced if you just want to game. a good gaming laptop will run 8lbs., have no battery life and be huge. they aren't laptops in any realistic sense anymore.
oh, and applenut. i have my 800Mhz Ti unplugged right now. tells me i have 3 hours left. full proc. speed, full brightness. i'm sure i could pretty easily get this to 4 hours.
I've heard business students complain about software problems before where the department has made choices that weren't mac compatible. In the real world I have never had a huge problem though. It's worth mentioning I don't work in accounting though. Find out in advance if that is a great concern to you.
When I used to do more actual engineering design work than I do now I was confronted with the difficulty that none of the applications are mac compatible. In that case though I would generally do the work in at work then write the reports at home on my mac (although I have a mac at work and a PC at home anyway).
Basically most of what you do won't depend on specialist software, it will just be reports, essays and presentations, all of which can be done equally easily on both platforms although I prefer the Mac, especially for presentations.
they are amazingly overpriced if you just want to game. a good gaming laptop will run 8lbs., have no battery life and be huge. they aren't laptops in any realistic sense anymore.
oh, and applenut. i have my 800Mhz Ti unplugged right now. tells me i have 3 hours left. full proc. speed, full brightness. i'm sure i could pretty easily get this to 4 hours.</strong><hr></blockquote>
the powerbook is arguably a "good" gaming laptop... it weighs 5.4 lbs... if they added Radeon 9000 with th next update it'll be a "great" gaming laptop... and still weigh 5.4 lbs... I do believe there are other PC laptops with the 9000 in the Powerbook's weight class.
Try and get it to 4 hours... I dare you... and yes, I can do that by just leaving it on as well.
try doing some work... 5 hours is ridiculous and was the original claim... I'm not arguing you may not be able to actually get to 4 byt doing nothing or even 3 with work... I'm arguing that 5 is completely baseless and possibly impossible.
When comparing battery life the OS will matter. OS X drains power more than OS 9 used to. Just one of the trade-offs of the system. They'll address it as they refine the system further.
Applenut, seriously, I wonder if there's something wrong with your Ti, at least the battery. I don't think 3+ hours of use is unreasonable to expect, and under 2 (unless you're running benchmarks the whole time or something) seems too low.
OK. I use a Ti for work, and about twice a month I forget my power adaptor at home. Usually, I just start working normally, and after about 2 hours, decide it's time for a coffee and notice that I'm still running on battery. I then reach for my power adaptor... which I left at home.
OK. It's 11 AM. I have used the machine for two hours or so, and I have to make it until 6. Here's what I do. Turn off airport and plug in the ethernet cable. Turn the screen down and set power preferences to sleep after 5 mins of inactivity.
Working this way, I can make it until nearly 4 PM with few sleep episodes (if the machine does sleep, I resist the temptation to wake it right away, and take that chance to deal with non-computer issues. The estimated time remaining is a poor estimate at best, especially while the machine has more than half a charge. Once it gets under 30 mins. it seems pretty accurate. I think that's pretty good. Battery life is something Apple should be proud of in it's portables.
Oh, and I would say that the Tibook is the best all round portable ever made by anybody. Period. Sleek and small, without compromising speed, connectivity or screen real estate/brightness AND it runs OSX--never shut down with uptime measured in weeks to months on a portable.
Oh, and although a portable is OK for games these days, if you are buying the portable for games you need help. It's got a small screen, weaker card, heat issues and carries a price premium related to portability that has nothing to do with gaming performance. Although it will plat todays games acceptably, it will become unacceptable faster that a desktop.
Oh, and Applenut, I read you post 42 mins ago. I unplugged my machine completely as soon as I read it. The screen is at full brightness and I'm running on airport. Fink has been compiling a newer version of something for the last hour or so in the background, so CPU usage is high. Right now my timer says 3:18 left. There's something wrong with your machine.
<strong>When comparing battery life the OS will matter. OS X drains power more than OS 9 used to. Just one of the trade-offs of the system. They'll address it as they refine the system further.</strong><hr></blockquote>
well... my theory.. at least for my machine... which USED to get better battery life even under OS X is that Quartz Extreme taxes the Radeon more and therefore uses more power... just a theory... probably wrong
Applenut, seriously, I wonder if there's something wrong with your Ti, at least the battery. I don't think 3+ hours of use is unreasonable to expect, and under 2 (unless you're running benchmarks the whole time or something) seems too low. <hr></blockquote>
I thinkt the calculation thing is screwed up on my machine....
cause I can watch a full length DVD... it's very rare that I get over 3+ hours in normal use though... never 4.... then again, I also use airport.... that probably uses more as well.
but the fact is, 5 is not possible...
gonna have to look into this battery life thing more.... does seem like mine is a little too short.
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then you won't be buying ANY laptop for gaming.
they are amazingly overpriced if you just want to game. a good gaming laptop will run 8lbs., have no battery life and be huge. they aren't laptops in any realistic sense anymore.
oh, and applenut. i have my 800Mhz Ti unplugged right now. tells me i have 3 hours left. full proc. speed, full brightness. i'm sure i could pretty easily get this to 4 hours.
Have u ever coonsider a playstatiion2 or Xbox??????
When I used to do more actual engineering design work than I do now I was confronted with the difficulty that none of the applications are mac compatible. In that case though I would generally do the work in at work then write the reports at home on my mac (although I have a mac at work and a PC at home anyway).
Basically most of what you do won't depend on specialist software, it will just be reports, essays and presentations, all of which can be done equally easily on both platforms although I prefer the Mac, especially for presentations.
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then you won't be buying ANY laptop for gaming.
they are amazingly overpriced if you just want to game. a good gaming laptop will run 8lbs., have no battery life and be huge. they aren't laptops in any realistic sense anymore.
oh, and applenut. i have my 800Mhz Ti unplugged right now. tells me i have 3 hours left. full proc. speed, full brightness. i'm sure i could pretty easily get this to 4 hours.</strong><hr></blockquote>
the powerbook is arguably a "good" gaming laptop... it weighs 5.4 lbs... if they added Radeon 9000 with th next update it'll be a "great" gaming laptop... and still weigh 5.4 lbs... I do believe there are other PC laptops with the 9000 in the Powerbook's weight class.
Try and get it to 4 hours... I dare you... and yes, I can do that by just leaving it on as well.
try doing some work... 5 hours is ridiculous and was the original claim... I'm not arguing you may not be able to actually get to 4 byt doing nothing or even 3 with work... I'm arguing that 5 is completely baseless and possibly impossible.
If there's a CD in the drive, and I'm really taxing the processor it goes down to a little over four.
That's in 9.2.
In 10.2 i get 3:50 to 4:00. Not sure why 10 sucks so much juice but can't wait to get my old long life back.
MSKR
OK. I use a Ti for work, and about twice a month I forget my power adaptor at home. Usually, I just start working normally, and after about 2 hours, decide it's time for a coffee and notice that I'm still running on battery. I then reach for my power adaptor... which I left at home.
OK. It's 11 AM. I have used the machine for two hours or so, and I have to make it until 6. Here's what I do. Turn off airport and plug in the ethernet cable. Turn the screen down and set power preferences to sleep after 5 mins of inactivity.
Working this way, I can make it until nearly 4 PM with few sleep episodes (if the machine does sleep, I resist the temptation to wake it right away, and take that chance to deal with non-computer issues. The estimated time remaining is a poor estimate at best, especially while the machine has more than half a charge. Once it gets under 30 mins. it seems pretty accurate. I think that's pretty good. Battery life is something Apple should be proud of in it's portables.
Oh, and I would say that the Tibook is the best all round portable ever made by anybody. Period. Sleek and small, without compromising speed, connectivity or screen real estate/brightness AND it runs OSX--never shut down with uptime measured in weeks to months on a portable.
Oh, and although a portable is OK for games these days, if you are buying the portable for games you need help. It's got a small screen, weaker card, heat issues and carries a price premium related to portability that has nothing to do with gaming performance. Although it will plat todays games acceptably, it will become unacceptable faster that a desktop.
Oh, and Applenut, I read you post 42 mins ago. I unplugged my machine completely as soon as I read it. The screen is at full brightness and I'm running on airport. Fink has been compiling a newer version of something for the last hour or so in the background, so CPU usage is high. Right now my timer says 3:18 left. There's something wrong with your machine.
<strong>When comparing battery life the OS will matter. OS X drains power more than OS 9 used to. Just one of the trade-offs of the system. They'll address it as they refine the system further.</strong><hr></blockquote>
well... my theory.. at least for my machine... which USED to get better battery life even under OS X is that Quartz Extreme taxes the Radeon more and therefore uses more power... just a theory... probably wrong
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Applenut, seriously, I wonder if there's something wrong with your Ti, at least the battery. I don't think 3+ hours of use is unreasonable to expect, and under 2 (unless you're running benchmarks the whole time or something) seems too low. <hr></blockquote>
I thinkt the calculation thing is screwed up on my machine....
cause I can watch a full length DVD... it's very rare that I get over 3+ hours in normal use though... never 4.... then again, I also use airport.... that probably uses more as well.
but the fact is, 5 is not possible...
gonna have to look into this battery life thing more.... does seem like mine is a little too short.
And Dells can take a shitload more abuse than the Titanium G4,
I'd be interested is there anyone who has tested the battery life running linux?