Porche/Best Buy go after Titanium sales

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  • Reply 21 of 52
    so, Apple isn't that great. you all are plain exaggerating about OSX, it's more like OSCRAP. It's been what, 2 years and I can't even use my Epson scanner and printer? Wait and wait. Time is money and Wintel can do more. Try walking into your computer store and ask for some MAC stuff. dvd burner? DON'T GOT SHIT!
  • Reply 22 of 52
    [quote]Originally posted by Splinemodel:

    <strong>I don't think you'll be seeing a lot of them around. The PC market is strange. Off-brands don't sell well in laptop forms.



    But what I do like is that Best Buy comes in, hires Porsche, and makes a decent PC laptop. Dell has been trying so hard, so long, and still can't get it right.



    Geez, just copy Apple already. How come it took so long?</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Dell is copying Apple. They're just always 2 or 3 years behind in stealing ideas. :-)



    This is why I can see Apple moving to a different form factor for the Powerbook. Get everyone thinking thin titanium laptops are the greatest thing in the world, give everyone time to rip off the idea, then whip out something that makes titanium-skinned computers look like lumps of charcoal gray plastic. It's all about staying ahead of the curve(so to speak).
  • Reply 23 of 52
    ryukyuryukyu Posts: 448member
    [quote]Originally posted by appleorange:

    <strong>so, Apple isn't that great. you all are plain exaggerating about OSX, it's more like OSCRAP. It's been what, 2 years and I can't even use my Epson scanner and printer? Wait and wait. Time is money and Wintel can do more. Try walking into your computer store and ask for some MAC stuff. dvd burner? DON'T GOT SHIT!</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Spoken like a true troll.
  • Reply 24 of 52
    appleorange, are you telling us that you have an apple computer and an epson printer and scanner that have not worked for two years?



    <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />



    [ 10-25-2002: Message edited by: praxis ]</p>
  • Reply 25 of 52
    rraburrabu Posts: 239member
    [quote]Originally posted by ryukyu:

    <strong>Regardless of what it looks like, it still runs that crappy OS.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Could always get it partly redeemed as a computer by installing freebsd or Darwin on it.



    I find it funny that any PC manufacturer would bother going after the Apple market. After all, it's such a big market to capture. I'm sure anybody with a Ti only has it for the screen. Couldn't possibly be the software or complete package. I see switchers lining up already....
  • Reply 26 of 52
    klinuxklinux Posts: 453member
    [quote]Originally posted by rrabu:

    <strong>



    Could always get it partly redeemed as a computer by installing freebsd or Darwin on it.



    I find it funny that any PC manufacturer would bother going after the Apple market. After all, it's such a big market to capture. I'm sure anybody with a Ti only has it for the screen. Couldn't possibly be the software or complete package. I see switchers lining up already.... </strong><hr></blockquote>





    Why are Mac people so defensive? Why is this going after Apple market rather than going after the PC users, a much much larger segment, who likes better designs?
  • Reply 27 of 52
    rraburrabu Posts: 239member
    Great sarcasm detecting there.



    Actually, I was making fun of the cnet article assuming that this was targetted to capture part of an Apple market (and that such a market really exists in the first place <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> ). I seriously would consider purchasing such a machine. TiBook is out of my price range. Come to think of it, any computer worth more than the $20 in my pocket is out of my price range.
  • Reply 28 of 52
    spartspart Posts: 2,060member
    [quote]Originally posted by praxis:

    <strong>appleorange, are you telling us that you have an apple computer and an epson printer and scanner that have not worked for two years?



    <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />



    [ 10-25-2002: Message edited by: praxis ]</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Probably using an Epson Stylus Color II.



    <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
  • Reply 29 of 52
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    I don't think any PC makers are going after Apple's market, they realize the appeal of Apple's style and they do their best to capitalize on it, to help them get more PC customers. They're not looking for mac customers, nor do they care. If Apple continues to do as they have been, they eventually get those mac customers anyway.
  • Reply 30 of 52
    gamblorgamblor Posts: 446member
    Does anyone else see irony in Matsu denying that any PC manufacturer is targeting Apple's markets and then provides a link in his signature to a PC manufacturer (Gateway) who is doing just that?



    <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
  • Reply 31 of 52
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    me too...



    all is not what it appears to be.
  • Reply 32 of 52
    gamblorgamblor Posts: 446member
    Oh.



  • Reply 33 of 52
    Take a closer look at the specs on that thing....

    it's more powerful than the high end PowerBook G4 has almost the same form factor, and sells for the same price as the low-end powerbook. I think they did it, just to show Apple that their buisness group sucks, and you know what, theyre right.

    want to know why Apple lost $45m last quarter and cannot claim market share ? ....take a look at this portable from Porsche....there's your answer.



    P.S.&gt;&gt;the only computer i own and use is a PowerBook G4 550 w/ MacOS X 10.2.1



    [ 10-26-2002: Message edited by: Hawkeye_a ]</p>
  • Reply 34 of 52
    zozo Posts: 3,115member
    you know why BestBuy can ask for less? Guess WHO did 90% of the R&D for the laptop? Hmmmm... Apple?



    ooops.. yeah.



    Sure, there is always a premium for Apple products anyway, but in this case, this dumb laptop SCREAMS of copy&paste.



    yeeesh
  • Reply 35 of 52
    [quote]Originally posted by applenut:

    <strong>



    oh god... no it doesn't.... they still had to develop it all themselves... still had to design everything... they didn't just take stuff from apple... maybe the idea but so what.





    there's no comparison to the Powerbook G4... it's the best portable.... but its not the best price/performance and it wasn't when it first came out... it certainly isn't now...



    this is a good offering from the PC side... stop being so defensive... being so defensive just makes it seem like it really is a threat and a good threat. You guys are worse than the arstechnica crowd who will go on for pages and pages about how apple sucks yet they must feel threatened by it if they have a battlefront in which the only competitor they ever talk about is apple..... it's pathetic</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Okay. First of all, the design cost of an Apple computer is very high!You might say that it takes almost as much money to develop a product that resembles another one, than it took to develop the original. That is just plain wrong!



    Look at it this way. You get a job to design a website for someone. The hard part is thinking of an original design, and then trying to implement that idea into a finished product. How much time would it take to make a website that looks very similar to, say, apple.com or even dell.com ? Id say that takes around 25% of the time, if you are allowed to look at the original, and take it apart (look at its source code).



    The same analogy can be used for computers. Take a powerbooks shape and form factor. Take the thing apart. Change the casing to plastic, create a motherboard that are roughly the same size, use the same screen size but different vendor. change the back panel to resemble the different cost. put your new product together, slap on some stickers, box, ship and sell! Easy as!



    Designing the original (the PowerBook) must have taken at least 2-4 times as long!. Sure, porche had to so some design changes, but thats it! Other than the fact that Plastic is creaper than Titanium, and that the CPU and mobo probably are cheaper in the first place, the original designer must have their salaries, and i bet that is a lot!



    Just my oppinion



    .:BoeManE:.



    [ 10-27-2002: Message edited by: BoeManE ]</p>
  • Reply 36 of 52
    applenutapplenut Posts: 5,768member
    [quote]Originally posted by ZO:

    <strong>you know why BestBuy can ask for less? Guess WHO did 90% of the R&D for the laptop? Hmmmm... Apple?



    ooops.. yeah.



    Sure, there is always a premium for Apple products anyway, but in this case, this dumb laptop SCREAMS of copy&paste.



    yeeesh</strong><hr></blockquote>



    oh god... no it doesn't.... they still had to develop it all themselves... still had to design everything... they didn't just take stuff from apple... maybe the idea but so what.



    and that has nothing to do with the price.... apple despite what many here still try to convince themselves against, rips off their customers with poorly equiped pro models that are priced insanely.



    fine, apple doesn't have faster than an 800Mhz G4 for a portable or didn't.... that doesn't mean it still most cost 3000+ dollars.



    there's no comparison to the Powerbook G4... it's the best portable.... but its not the best price/performance and it wasn't when it first came out... it certainly isn't now...



    this is a good offering from the PC side... stop being so defensive... being so defensive just makes it seem like it really is a threat and a good threat. You guys are worse than the arstechnica crowd who will go on for pages and pages about how apple sucks yet they must feel threatened by it if they have a battlefront in which the only competitor they ever talk about is apple..... it's pathetic
  • Reply 37 of 52
    ryukyuryukyu Posts: 448member
    [quote]Originally posted by Hawkeye_a:

    <strong>

    want to know why Apple lost $45m last quarter and cannot claim market share ? ....take a look at this portable from Porsche....there's your answer.



    [ 10-26-2002: Message edited by: Hawkeye_a ]</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Yeah right.

    And the fact that they bought a couple of companies and opened several more stores had nothing to do with them losing money for the quarter?
  • Reply 38 of 52
    randycat99randycat99 Posts: 1,919member
    Also consider this is not a 2 GHz P4, but a 2 GHz P4M.



    That means a limited L2 cache that hurt the performance of the original P4. It also means Speedstep and power conservation functions. So if you are on battery power, it's going to knock down that clockrate to something like 1.5, maybe even 1 GHz under bad conditions? So if you are talking about a 1 GHz P4, that probably doesn't amount to much more than a 733 PIII performancewise. :eek: So in the end, it really isn't a big jump at all in effective clockrate or performance. Remember, the whole point of a P4 is to exploit those blistering clockrates- it has to in order to be a remotely impressive processor. Once you take that away, it is nothing. Remember the 1.4/1.5/1.6 era of P4's? They really weren't that stunning once you get to work on one. It's only since they broke 2 GHz before they started making notable performance gains from where the PIII's left off. Arguably, the "real meaty" performance doesn't even come until you get past 2.5.



    [ 10-27-2002: Message edited by: Randycat99 ]</p>
  • Reply 39 of 52
    elio.elio. Posts: 17member
    [quote]Originally posted by Randycat99:

    <strong>

    So if you are on battery power, it's going to knock down that clockrate to something like 1.5, maybe even 1 GHz under bad conditions? So if you are talking about a 1 GHz P4, that probably doesn't amount to much more than a 733 PIII performancewise. :eek: So in the end, it really isn't a big jump at all in effective clockrate or performance. Remember, the whole point of a P4 is to exploit those blistering clockrates- it has to in order to be a remotely impressive processor. Once you take that away, it is nothing. Remember the 1.4/1.5/1.6 era of P4's? They really weren't that stunning once you get to work on one. It's only since they broke 2 GHz before they started making notable performance gains from where the PIII's left off. Arguably, the "real meaty" performance doesn't even come until you get past 2.5.

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    i agree, proformance and batry life must be appalling, like under an hour or even half an hour. <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" /> and EXTREEMLY burnt thighs :eek:



    Edit: [Insert moking laugh here]



    Elio? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />



    [ 10-27-2002: Message edited by: Elio. ]</p>
  • Reply 40 of 52
    [quote]Originally posted by ryukyu:

    <strong>



    Yeah right.

    And the fact that they bought a couple of companies and opened several more stores had nothing to do with them losing money for the quarter?</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I guess youre right. Selling computers and developing them and pricing them to compete with other computer companies has nothing to do with their buisness.



    My point ? Selling computers is what Apple does, and apparently they arent doing a good job of it.
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