Do we think the keyboard shown in the sneak preview is real? It *looked* like a wireless keyboard with a full number pad, but maybe the cable was just excluded from the photo for aesthetic reasons. If it's a space grey wireless with number pad, SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!
The silver/white one is out now, it'll be wireless:
Yeah this was an announced accessory for Apple. Apple now offers a bluetooth extended keyboard. Both the wired keyboard and mouse are now unavailable. I don't even see them as a Mac accessory anymore on the Apple Store.
The wired keyboard and mouse is still available for K-12 schools who order new iMacs today. For regular customers and college students, only the wireless ones are available out of the box. Of course, nothing stops you from going out and getting your own wired Apple keyboard and mouse if you really want one.
If I could have two requests for Apple...make it in black (space gray?), and make the keys backlit.
Do we think the keyboard shown in the sneak preview is real? It *looked* like a wireless keyboard with a full number pad, but maybe the cable was just excluded from the photo for aesthetic reasons. If it's a space grey wireless with number pad, SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!
The silver/white one is out now, it'll be wireless:
Jeez... it happens all the time. Wannabe tinkerers and DIY'ers group themselves into the same category as "pros" when in reality, they are not. Pros use their systems to get the job done. They don't tinker. When their tool no longer does the job, they get a new one that does.
Stop implying that because YOU cannot upgrade a machine, it is not worthy of the "Pro" title.
Just about every person I know that definitely qualifies as a "pro" user rarely (if ever) have opened up their systems once purchased. So give it a rest. My job as an independent software-engineer requires a tool that gets the job done and enables me to generate revenue. I couldn't care less about upgrading components on my iMac after the initial purchase. When it comes time to decide, a new machine years down the road makes better financial sense than upgrading an "old" machine.
TB3 will alleviate many of those things, especially now that Apple is helping the external video card crowds. Tim Cook has already made a statement in support of the Mac Pro so lets see where that goes.
@AppleZulu: Isn't that what they also said about the 'trashcan' Mac Pro?
There are plenty of pro's that use PCI-equipment for audio or video editing/creation for example. With the previous Pro desktops you could buy a PCI card and basically integrate a lot into your desktop, inclúding a new GPU, better/bigger HD's and SSD's, and more ram. With the current Mac Pro and the to be-released iMac Pro, that's just not possible.
@Steven N: I know avid hobbyists usually care less about upgradeability. But don't you think a pro usually tends to spend more on devices than these hobbyists? This iMac Pro (it ís a "Pro" segmented device/name) is 33% more expensive compared to a Mac Pro, is pretty much equally as not-upgradeable, and ment for hobbyists?
@flabber: The question is why you think ALL pros think ONLY about upgradability? Avid hobbyists are all about the upgrade. How many HD's will the enclosure hold? Can I put in water cooling? How about the over-clockers delight? Most pros I know simply want a machine to work and be fast while not giving a flying F about upgradability. They are not in the business of maintaining, tweaking, tearing apart hardware computers.
The biggest complaints about the trash can Mac Pro is it remained unchanged for 4 years and had very limit BTO options. Likewise, Apple had no Apple 5K monitors to work with it (that was why I didn't get one) and it it seemed like it was 1 piece of an unfinished eco-system.
With 10GbE on board, the lack of internal storage upgradability is mitigated, for me, at least. I don't want to keep all my work on my Mac indefinitely, but being able to quickly transfer 150GB over from a NAS will make it easier to restore backed-up or server-stored work.
Hell, I could probably work straight off 10GbE 99% of the time and stay productive.
I love the Black Mac.
I imagine you meant 150TB? 150GB serves very little in the needs of a professional.
I agree that this is indeed very much a pro computer. As a filmmaker, this has enough horsepower to be a complete monster in many aspects of post production. For those complaining about lack of internal storage, you would never rely on internal storage for any post production and has good enough I/O for external options.
Nope, I meant 150GB.
But I'm glad to give you the opportunity to prove what a badass pro you are.
You make the mistake (common around here) of assuming everyone does the same thing you do with their tech.
I'm still a little underwhelmed and surprised that Apple keeps naming things "pro" when they're not upgradeable.
I mean, who's going to pay $4999, regardless of wether it's undercutting a similar-specced PC, if you can't upgrade it's so-called "pro hardware" 3 years down the road?
"Pro" does not (and never has) meant "endlessly upgradeable. You're confusing "pro" with "homebrew." What Pro *actually* means is "the fastest available machine for what I do for a living." As this thing blows the 2013 Mac Pro out of the water, from the perspective of "I need/want to use macOS to accomplish my goals," this would appear to be the best presently-available option. If it's not for you, you'll be waiting for the Mac Pro they said would be coming out sometime next year.
Second, it is highly expandable, but not so much internally (well, RAM). That said, from the specs there should be zero need to upgrade this anytime over the next five or six years at least if you invest in future-proofing it by getting the higher-configurations. Did you miss the bit about TB3? Have you used TB3? The fact that GPU and storage are only upgradeable externally is really, seriously, not an issue anymore.
Third: do you know how capitalism works? Neither Apple nor anyone are ever going to release a machine you buy once and never buy another one the rest of your life. Never happened before, isn't going to start now. As mentioned, if you need ALL THE POWERZ then invest in the top of the line, add TB peripherals as you require, and enjoy I would conservatively guess at least five to eight years of pro-level performance, much more if you're like typical "pro users" who claim they need far more than what they actually do for a living requires. (I have a graphic artist friend who's hair is on fire on this very point; he's using a 2010 slabside and thinks he *has* to have a Mac Pro or iMac Pro when in fact the stock low-end 5K iMac is 50 times the machine he's using now for his purposes).
Now of course you might be Peter Jackson's render-farm manager or something, and this is somehow genuinely not right for your incredibly specialized needs, but for nearly any "pro" user I can think of outside of render-farm status, the iMac Pro is very, very likely to both do the job as fast as can be done now, and through TB3 is expandable enough to keep up for years to come. It's a bad deal if you insist on a third party monitor, I grant, but then there's that 2018 Mac Pro coming for those people.
@AppleZulu: Isn't that what they also said about the 'trashcan' Mac Pro?
There are plenty of pro's that use PCI-equipment for audio or video editing/creation for example. With the previous Pro desktops you could buy a PCI card and basically integrate a lot into your desktop, inclúding a new GPU, better/bigger HD's and SSD's, and more ram. With the current Mac Pro and the to be-released iMac Pro, that's just not possible.
@Steven N: I know avid hobbyists usually care less about upgradeability. But don't you think a pro usually tends to spend more on devices than these hobbyists? This iMac Pro (it ís a "Pro" segmented device/name) is 33% more expensive compared to a Mac Pro, is pretty much equally as not-upgradeable, and ment for hobbyists?
You are forgetting about the external enclosure news.
With 10GbE on board, the lack of internal storage upgradability is mitigated, for me, at least. I don't want to keep all my work on my Mac indefinitely, but being able to quickly transfer 150GB over from a NAS will make it easier to restore backed-up or server-stored work.
Hell, I could probably work straight off 10GbE 99% of the time and stay productive.
I love the Black Mac.
I imagine you meant 150TB? 150GB serves very little in the needs of a professional.
I agree that this is indeed very much a pro computer. As a filmmaker, this has enough horsepower to be a complete monster in many aspects of post production. For those complaining about lack of internal storage, you would never rely on internal storage for any post production and has good enough I/O for external options.
Nope, I meant 150GB.
But I'm glad to give you the opportunity to prove what a badass pro you are.
You make the mistake (common around here) of assuming everyone does the same thing you do with their tech.
I think @JinTech may have been momentarily confused. All of my projects over the past five years combined don't add up to 150TB, much less per project.
With 10GbE on board, the lack of internal storage upgradability is mitigated, for me, at least. I don't want to keep all my work on my Mac indefinitely, but being able to quickly transfer 150GB over from a NAS will make it easier to restore backed-up or server-stored work.
Hell, I could probably work straight off 10GbE 99% of the time and stay productive.
I love the Black Mac.
I imagine you meant 150TB? 150GB serves very little in the needs of a professional.
I agree that this is indeed very much a pro computer. As a filmmaker, this has enough horsepower to be a complete monster in many aspects of post production. For those complaining about lack of internal storage, you would never rely on internal storage for any post production and has good enough I/O for external options.
Nope, I meant 150GB.
But I'm glad to give you the opportunity to prove what a badass pro you are.
You make the mistake (common around here) of assuming everyone does the same thing you do with their tech.
I think @JinTech may have been momentarily confused. All of my projects over the past five years combined don't add up to 150TB, much less per project.
I work for an organisation that processes a lot of raw statistical data. Our main statistical holdings don't reach 150TB, and yet it's already unwieldy. (Our full holdings is approaching 1PB, but that includes everyone's e-mail, and pictures of their kids, all our software installs, including old versions no-one uses...)
This was what bothered me about the old "Not a Pro" arguments - no professional I know works with everything on the local system. At best they copy what they need for the current job, then load it back to the network when done, so that there's a complete archive of it. At least they should. We actively discourage local storage, since it's less secure, plus the majority of our processing takes place on application servers, anyway.
Anyway, the iMac Pro looks pretty sweet. I would love to have one, but I suspect it's out of my budget, especially since I bought my MacBook Pro just last year. Plus my Mac mini is still working. (Sadly, my brother's isn't, and it looks like they didn't announce anything about that.)
Consider me amazed. I think I know what I am going to do with my current 27" iMac (3 years old). Needless to say, when it releases, my wallet is ready. This is going to be my main PC station. Plus 2 more 5k monitors side by side to create 3 display config, sweet.
note: I really can't wait. I keep checking the video out LOL
(Sadly, my brother's isn't, and it looks like they didn't announce anything about that.)
To be honest, I don't what could be done with the mini to justify an "update." The only things I can think of are:
a newer CPU, but it wouldn't offer much improvement, particularly since battery life is not a consideration
Thunderbolt 3, but how many mini buyers are going to say, "Y'know, I was going to buy a mini, but TB2 just won't cut it for my needs."
Faster storage. Apple's latest SSDs are twice as fast as what's in the mini, but again, I can't imagine the present storage options are a deterrent to a potential mini buyer.
I'd be THRILLED to see a quad-core version and would buy one immediately, but I'm not holding my breath. Then again, it seems like maybe Apple is listening to users now, so who knows?
(Sadly, my brother's isn't, and it looks like they didn't announce anything about that.)
To be honest, I don't what could be done with the mini to justify an "update." The only things I can think of are:
a newer CPU, but it wouldn't offer much improvement, particularly since battery life is not a consideration
Thunderbolt 3, but how many mini buyers are going to say, "Y'know, I was going to buy a mini, but TB2 just won't cut it for my needs."
Faster storage. Apple's latest SSDs are twice as fast as what's in the mini, but again, I can't imagine the present storage options are a deterrent to a potential mini buyer.
I'd be THRILLED to see a quad-core version and would buy one immediately, but I'm not holding my breath. Then again, it seems like maybe Apple is listening to users now, so who knows?
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Apple wasn't working on a Mac mini that had their own processor(s) inside of it. Perfect Mac to test this on. They could literally make a Mac about the size of the current AppleTV.
(Sadly, my brother's isn't, and it looks like they didn't announce anything about that.)
To be honest, I don't what could be done with the mini to justify an "update." The only things I can think of are:
a newer CPU, but it wouldn't offer much improvement, particularly since battery life is not a consideration
Thunderbolt 3, but how many mini buyers are going to say, "Y'know, I was going to buy a mini, but TB2 just won't cut it for my needs."
Faster storage. Apple's latest SSDs are twice as fast as what's in the mini, but again, I can't imagine the present storage options are a deterrent to a potential mini buyer.
I'd be THRILLED to see a quad-core version and would buy one immediately, but I'm not holding my breath. Then again, it seems like maybe Apple is listening to users now, so who knows?
My Mac mini is a quad core, from the last model that had it as an option. My brother's is even older, and both the HDD and SuperDrive have dies, so he's running it on externals.
i think some people are waiting on the mini getting newer processors and TB3. Maybe it's not a big enough market just now. Or maybe they have something coming with the new Pro and a new monitor. Don't tell me people don't want a mini in Space Grey with matching keyboard and trackpad/mouse.
Do we think the keyboard shown in the sneak preview is real? It *looked* like a wireless keyboard with a full number pad, but maybe the cable was just excluded from the photo for aesthetic reasons. If it's a space grey wireless with number pad, SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!
The silver/white one is out now, it'll be wireless:
Yeah this was an announced accessory for Apple. Apple now offers a bluetooth extended keyboard. Both the wired keyboard and mouse are now unavailable. I don't even see them as a Mac accessory anymore on the Apple Store.
The wired keyboard and mouse is still available for K-12 schools who order new iMacs today. For regular customers and college students, only the wireless ones are available out of the box. Of course, nothing stops you from going out and getting your own wired Apple keyboard and mouse if you really want one.
If I could have two requests for Apple...make it in black (space gray?), and make the keys backlit.
They're continuing to ramp up the price on the basics. $129 for a sharp-edged slab of aluminum and no backlight or replacement of the battery, and no option for a corded one. Not impressed.
The *biggest* complaints from the pro market all revolve around the perceived lack of customizability and expandability of the current Mac Pro.
So what does Apple do? They make one that will undoubtedly be even more proprietary and harder to customize and/or expand.
Also, many professionals have dedicated, calibrated monitors that they use. Why do they need an integrated 27" monitor?
This, to me, is further evidence that Apple's current "pro" products are really just high-end enthusiast products that happen to work for some professionals.
But we'll see. It certainly looks like it will be a beautiful piece of hardware!
To quote Apple:
"In addition to the new iMac Pro, Apple is working on a completely redesigned, next-generation Mac Pro architected for pro customers who need the highest-end, high-throughput system in a modular design, as well as a new high-end pro display."
So if you're looking for something more expandable, just wait. Apple's working on it.
@AppleZulu: Isn't that what they also said about the 'trashcan' Mac Pro?
There are plenty of pro's that use PCI-equipment for audio or video editing/creation for example. With the previous Pro desktops you could buy a PCI card and basically integrate a lot into your desktop, inclúding a new GPU, better/bigger HD's and SSD's, and more ram. With the current Mac Pro and the to be-released iMac Pro, that's just not possible.
@Steven N: I know avid hobbyists usually care less about upgradeability. But don't you think a pro usually tends to spend more on devices than these hobbyists? This iMac Pro (it ís a "Pro" segmented device/name) is 33% more expensive compared to a Mac Pro, is pretty much equally as not-upgradeable, and ment for hobbyists?
@flabber: The question is why you think ALL pros think ONLY about upgradability? Avid hobbyists are all about the upgrade. How many HD's will the enclosure hold? Can I put in water cooling? How about the over-clockers delight? Most pros I know simply want a machine to work and be fast while not giving a flying F about upgradability. They are not in the business of maintaining, tweaking, tearing apart hardware computers.
The biggest complaints about the trash can Mac Pro is it remained unchanged for 4 years and had very limit BTO options. Likewise, Apple had no Apple 5K monitors to work with it (that was why I didn't get one) and it it seemed like it was 1 piece of an unfinished eco-system.
Oh I apologize... I didn't know I said "ALL pros think ONLY about upgradability. I thought I said "PLENTY of pros".
My dream as well but by the time it came my workflow had improved to the point that the mid stock iMac (with buckets of 3rd Party ram) looks like the best balanced machine. Maybe I need a way to justify VR goolges to push machine spec up.
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The wired keyboard and mouse is still available for K-12 schools who order new iMacs today. For regular customers and college students, only the wireless ones are available out of the box. Of course, nothing stops you from going out and getting your own wired Apple keyboard and mouse if you really want one.
If I could have two requests for Apple...make it in black (space gray?), and make the keys backlit.
Try using one in a control room with subdued lighting! I keep sticking it under a desk lamp to recharge.
Not only will the Apple unit provide wired charging, it will free up a USB port on the Mac where the Logitech receiver is now.
Stop implying that because YOU cannot upgrade a machine, it is not worthy of the "Pro" title.
Just about every person I know that definitely qualifies as a "pro" user rarely (if ever) have opened up their systems once purchased. So give it a rest. My job as an independent software-engineer requires a tool that gets the job done and enables me to generate revenue. I couldn't care less about upgrading components on my iMac after the initial purchase. When it comes time to decide, a new machine years down the road makes better financial sense than upgrading an "old" machine.
TB3 will alleviate many of those things, especially now that Apple is helping the external video card crowds. Tim Cook has already made a statement in support of the Mac Pro so lets see where that goes.
The biggest complaints about the trash can Mac Pro is it remained unchanged for 4 years and had very limit BTO options. Likewise, Apple had no Apple 5K monitors to work with it (that was why I didn't get one) and it it seemed like it was 1 piece of an unfinished eco-system.
But I'm glad to give you the opportunity to prove what a badass pro you are.
You make the mistake (common around here) of assuming everyone does the same thing you do with their tech.
This was what bothered me about the old "Not a Pro" arguments - no professional I know works with everything on the local system. At best they copy what they need for the current job, then load it back to the network when done, so that there's a complete archive of it. At least they should. We actively discourage local storage, since it's less secure, plus the majority of our processing takes place on application servers, anyway.
Anyway, the iMac Pro looks pretty sweet. I would love to have one, but I suspect it's out of my budget, especially since I bought my MacBook Pro just last year. Plus my Mac mini is still working. (Sadly, my brother's isn't, and it looks like they didn't announce anything about that.)
note: I really can't wait. I keep checking the video out LOL
I'd be THRILLED to see a quad-core version and would buy one immediately, but I'm not holding my breath. Then again, it seems like maybe Apple is listening to users now, so who knows?
i think some people are waiting on the mini getting newer processors and TB3. Maybe it's not a big enough market just now. Or maybe they have something coming with the new Pro and a new monitor. Don't tell me people don't want a mini in Space Grey with matching keyboard and trackpad/mouse.
"In addition to the new iMac Pro, Apple is working on a completely redesigned, next-generation Mac Pro architected for pro customers who need the highest-end, high-throughput system in a modular design, as well as a new high-end pro display."
So if you're looking for something more expandable, just wait. Apple's working on it.
I've just rub gently with a soft moist cloth. It works like a charm.
Dreams come true.
Maybe I need a way to justify VR goolges to push machine spec up.