Touch ID is on the 2016 and 2017 MacBook Pro And it Doesn’t Have a Button. You just lay your Finger on OLED Touch Bar screen. Why Wouldnt They do That on The Phone?
it seems to me they already figured it out last year and stuck it right in your face and no one even sees it. lol
I think your headline should read "Business analyst Kuo, remains skeptical after discussing rumors with some sources in supply chain." Or, "some sources" remain . . . . Otherwise you're painting with too broad of a brush.
The entire speculation about this issue may be nothing more than doubts from those who looked at Samsung’s failure to get the sensor behind their screen, and forming doubts as to whether apple would get it working in time. We don’t know who he spoke to about this. We don’t know if it’s actually a hardware, or software issue. We don’t know, assuming Apple hasn’t gotten it working, how close they are.
we also don’t know, if it is a software issue, because it’s software that has to makes sense out of the signal it’s receiving, whether Apple thinks that they will get it solved before the manufacturing, and assembly has to be finished. If they think they will solve it before release, or with a short delay, or possibly, shortly after release, with an update, they might include the sensor. If not, they might anyway, expecting to get it working in some later update.
i imagine that only if this proves to be a serious hardware problem that can’t be mitigated by software, that they won’t include it. But, wow, a flagship phone without Touch ID! I just don’t understand how anything else could substitute.
After all these years, you're still unwilling to acknowledge that whatever solution they present is most likely a very good solution worthy of evaluation and only then decisions on purchase. It's as if you pre-determine that whatever they do is going to suck, despite the fact that the new things Apple puts forward or does first or does better are things we don't expect and can't judge ahead of time until it's out there.
If there's no Touch ID, then whatever it has will be at least just as good if not better. Apple has shown this time and time again.
"If it's not a faster horse I'm not buying it."
There is just no way that anyone in their right mind would prefer a face scan to Touch ID. There are too many times where face scan would be a major problem. And that’s not talking about the giant step down in convenience.
touch a finger for a fraction of a second to hold phone up to face, and do what? Press a button somewhere on the phone? What about the ease in which we've seen that fooled? How much more sophisticated could Apple’s be?
somethings not right about the reporting here. I don’t mean your reporting, Mike. I mean the whole thing.
I'm not arguing the details of whatever it is it could be (were this rumor true). I'm pointing out that the constant doubting of unseen Apple features is foolhardy, time and time again. At some point you have to give them the benefit of the doubt.
“Doesn’t have this or that” = no sale? Stupid way to live. And we saw what happened with “Doesn’t have headphone jack” = no sale didn’t we. No effect what-so-ever.
Touch ID is on the 2016 and 2017 MacBook Pro And it Doesn’t Have a Button. You just lay your Finger on OLED Touch Bar screen. Why Wouldnt They do That on The Phone?
it seems to me they already figured it out last year and stuck it right in your face and no one even sees it. lol
While I don't own either of these just yet, I was just playing with them at the Apple Store, and it is a button, separate from the Touch Bar Screen. There's a distinctive click, unless I broke the demo unit I was checking out.
Touch ID is on the 2016 and 2017 MacBook Pro And it Doesn’t Have a Button. You just lay your Finger on OLED Touch Bar screen. Why Wouldnt They do That on The Phone?
it seems to me they already figured it out last year and stuck it right in your face and no one even sees it. lol
Touch ID on the touch bar is all the way over on the right, where there is no actual screen. In other words, no display over the Touch ID area.
“Doesn’t have this or that” = no sale? Stupid way to live. And we saw what happened with “Doesn’t have headphone jack” = no sale didn’t we. No effect what-so-ever.
I never said no headphone jack no sale. Sorry Touch ID works so well (for me) and is so slick and convenient I’m not interested in eye tracking or face recognition.
The whole thing smells a bit fishy. I've said before I don't see facial recognition as a replacement for TouchID for the majority of people. There would be some benefits in terms of accessibility for people who might have problems with TouchID, but it would also exclude a number of people who don't have a problem with TouchID but might with facial recognition.
In addition, I honestly don't see how it could work as well as, let alone better than, TouchID. If any company can make it work, it's Apple, but I'm not convinced. I suppose we'll have to wait and see what Tim holds up on stage.
[EDIT] Meant to post this on the other thread, but I think it's still relevant here.
Touch ID is on the 2016 and 2017 MacBook Pro And it Doesn’t Have a Button. You just lay your Finger on OLED Touch Bar screen. Why Wouldnt They do That on The Phone?
it seems to me they already figured it out last year and stuck it right in your face and no one even sees it. lol
While I don't own either of these just yet, I was just playing with them at the Apple Store, and it is a button, separate from the Touch Bar Screen. There's a distinctive click, unless I broke the demo unit I was checking out.
TouchID on the MacBooks Pro is actually on the power button. Yes, it still has one. If the MBP is off, you press it to turn on. If it's frozen, you can force power off by holding it down, and you can also use it for fast user switching, which is really cool. But, as noted above, it is not part of the Touch Bar proper.
“Doesn’t have this or that” = no sale? Stupid way to live. And we saw what happened with “Doesn’t have headphone jack” = no sale didn’t we. No effect what-so-ever.
I never said no headphone jack no sale. Sorry Touch ID works so well (for me) and is so slick and convenient I’m not interested in eye tracking or face recognition.
How can you know that whatever unannounced features which may or may not yet exist are inferior to what you use currently? You can't. You can't possibly know or evaluate this until they've been announced, and tried or written about. Otherwise you're just saying you prefer a faster horse without any idea of what a car is.
“Doesn’t have this or that” = no sale? Stupid way to live. And we saw what happened with “Doesn’t have headphone jack” = no sale didn’t we. No effect what-so-ever.
I never said no headphone jack no sale. Sorry Touch ID works so well (for me) and is so slick and convenient I’m not interested in eye tracking or face recognition.
How can you know that whatever unannounced features which may or may not yet exist are inferior to what you use currently? You can't. You can't possibly know or evaluate this until they've been announced, and tried or written about. Otherwise you're just saying you prefer a faster horse without any idea of what a car is.
No I can say I prefer to place my thumb on a circular “button” vs holding it up to my face. I unlock my phone all the time when it’s laying flat. Can’t do that if facial recognition is required. I suppose I could always go back to entering pass codes but that seems like a step backwards.
I suspect Apple will implement the facial recognition on the oled phone only with the Touch ID on the power button. So the facial recognition will work in conjunction with Touch ID
Touch ID is on the 2016 and 2017 MacBook Pro And it Doesn’t Have a Button. You just lay your Finger on OLED Touch Bar screen. Why Wouldnt They do That on The Phone?
it seems to me they already figured it out last year and stuck it right in your face and no one even sees it. lol
Interesting point. Frankly I think Apple has been working hard to compromise the analyst sources and may very well be feeding him disinformation at this point. If any thing is causing Apple trouble I wold suspect that it would bee the Apple GPU and AI processing support. I do believe Apple will have AI hardware soon in its iOS devices. The reason is you really want to do as much AI processing on the devices instead of pushing it up to Apples servers. As such we can expect to see more hardware dedicated to AI processing with each years new device release.
The real question in my mind is this, is the rumored dedicated AI chip designed for iOS devices or Mac OS devices. Frankly I can't see them using a dedicated chip in the iOS devices simply due to power usage. I'm expecting that functionality to be merged into the IOS SoC, probably through advancements in the GPU architecture.
All kinds of rumors fly two moths before the iPhone release. There has to be some kind of authentication mechanism like finger print scanner for Apple Pay. With facial recognition, you need to bring your face and phone close to point of sale terminal to initiate NFC Applepay payment..
I fondly recall how Apple left the competition flat-footed with the introduction of the first 64-bit processor in a smartphone. They were a full year ahead of any competitor's release of a 64-bit CPU, and farther ahead when considering how the iPhone would run more efficiently, by not loading the 32-bit libraries if no 32-bit apps were running. So if the competition (Qualcomm) is working to get under-glass fingerprint sensors ready to ship in the summer of 2018 this does not imply Apple won't be able to have such tech shipping this year. If anything, it suggests Qualcomm is reacting to intelligence it's received indicating Apple might be about to ship such tech, and therefore Qualcomm better hustle to get something ready for its customer base.
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it seems to me they already figured it out last year and stuck it right in your face and no one even sees it. lol
we also don’t know, if it is a software issue, because it’s software that has to makes sense out of the signal it’s receiving, whether Apple thinks that they will get it solved before the manufacturing, and assembly has to be finished. If they think they will solve it before release, or with a short delay, or possibly, shortly after release, with an update, they might include the sensor. If not, they might anyway, expecting to get it working in some later update.
i imagine that only if this proves to be a serious hardware problem that can’t be mitigated by software, that they won’t include it. But, wow, a flagship phone without Touch ID! I just don’t understand how anything else could substitute.
The whole thing smells a bit fishy. I've said before I don't see facial recognition as a replacement for TouchID for the majority of people. There would be some benefits in terms of accessibility for people who might have problems with TouchID, but it would also exclude a number of people who don't have a problem with TouchID but might with facial recognition.
In addition, I honestly don't see how it could work as well as, let alone better than, TouchID. If any company can make it work, it's Apple, but I'm not convinced. I suppose we'll have to wait and see what Tim holds up on stage.
[EDIT] Meant to post this on the other thread, but I think it's still relevant here.
TouchID on the MacBooks Pro is actually on the power button. Yes, it still has one. If the MBP is off, you press it to turn on. If it's frozen, you can force power off by holding it down, and you can also use it for fast user switching, which is really cool. But, as noted above, it is not part of the Touch Bar proper.
The real question in my mind is this, is the rumored dedicated AI chip designed for iOS devices or Mac OS devices. Frankly I can't see them using a dedicated chip in the iOS devices simply due to power usage. I'm expecting that functionality to be merged into the IOS SoC, probably through advancements in the GPU architecture.