In addition to unlock convenience (a feature I personally have no interest in), this will instantly make iPhone/iOS the leading edge 3-D data gathering product/method in the world. Should in turn make their already very exciting AR work an unquestioned success.
Should also render the method of single-camera lens depth simulation using machine learning largely a relic of the past.
How can you say you have no interest in unlock convenience? It is one of the most important features of the device. It is what forces users to be smart and passcode protect their devices. Prior to Touch ID, the user adoption of passcode was worse than users that manually backup their files.
If your argument is actually that you have plenty of interest in it, in the sense that you think Touch ID is good enough, that's another story.
I have no interest in providing law enforcement with additional methods to violate privacy rights. If so ordered by a court, one may be compelled by law enforcement to unlock ones phone with their face or fingerprint, not a password. Whether one is charged or guilty of anything is beside the point. I believe individual constitutional privacy and property rights supersede the interests of the state.
There is no law requiring you use Touch ID or Face ID on your iPhone. If you are planning on breaking the law and are concerned about your phone being lawfully searched as a result, I would suggest not using these convenience features.
Again, it has nothing to do with "planning to break the law". What isn't "illegal" today may be declared illegal tomorrow.
In addition to unlock convenience (a feature I personally have no interest in), this will instantly make iPhone/iOS the leading edge 3-D data gathering product/method in the world. Should in turn make their already very exciting AR work an unquestioned success.
Should also render the method of single-camera lens depth simulation using machine learning largely a relic of the past.
How can you say you have no interest in unlock convenience? It is one of the most important features of the device. It is what forces users to be smart and passcode protect their devices. Prior to Touch ID, the user adoption of passcode was worse than users that manually backup their files.
If your argument is actually that you have plenty of interest in it, in the sense that you think Touch ID is good enough, that's another story.
I have no interest in providing law enforcement with additional methods to violate privacy rights. If so ordered by a court, one may be compelled by law enforcement to unlock ones phone with their face or fingerprint, not a password. Whether one is charged or guilty of anything is beside the point. I believe individual constitutional privacy and property rights supersede the interests of the state.
There is no law requiring you use Touch ID or Face ID on your iPhone. If you are planning on breaking the law and are concerned about your phone being lawfully searched as a result, I would suggest not using these convenience features.
Again, it has nothing to do with "planning to break the law". What isn't "illegal" today may be declared illegal tomorrow.
By that logic, where it is currently unlawful for them to force you to enter a passcode for a lawful search, that could change tomorrow, negating any and all concerns you might have over convenience features.
This is actually good news for Google as well. Google's Android OS business model has been on the wrong tracks since day one, never seeing its full potential, as I have oft posted. Time for a change.
AR and Tango could be the marketing hook needed to wrestle control of the hardware and user experience back from the OEM's and Carriers.
I'd brand it as "Made for Tango", and it would consist of very tight specs and certifications. No more race to the bottom.
Of course, Apple will own this space first, but plenty of room left for a competitor.
In addition to unlock convenience (a feature I personally have no interest in), this will instantly make iPhone/iOS the leading edge 3-D data gathering product/method in the world. Should in turn make their already very exciting AR work an unquestioned success.
Should also render the method of single-camera lens depth simulation using machine learning largely a relic of the past.
How can you say you have no interest in unlock convenience? It is one of the most important features of the device. It is what forces users to be smart and passcode protect their devices. Prior to Touch ID, the user adoption of passcode was worse than users that manually backup their files.
If your argument is actually that you have plenty of interest in it, in the sense that you think Touch ID is good enough, that's another story.
I have no interest in providing law enforcement with additional methods to violate privacy rights. If so ordered by a court, one may be compelled by law enforcement to unlock ones phone with their face or fingerprint, not a password. Whether one is charged or guilty of anything is beside the point. I believe individual constitutional privacy and property rights supersede the interests of the state.
There is no law requiring you use Touch ID or Face ID on your iPhone. If you are planning on breaking the law and are concerned about your phone being lawfully searched as a result, I would suggest not using these convenience features.
Again, it has nothing to do with "planning to break the law". What isn't "illegal" today may be declared illegal tomorrow.
By that logic, where it is currently unlawful for them to force you to enter a passcode for a lawful search, that could change tomorrow, negating any and all concerns you might have over convenience features.
Except there are already court rulings about this on the books (this is called legal precedent and it's a very important part of how our legal system works).
I was thinking of upgrading my iPhone 7 Plus if the new phone is really exciting. However, if Touch ID is replaced with this facial recognition only, I won't. I don't want someone to be able to unlock my phone by holding it at my face.
If someone is holding your phone at your face, presumably against your will, then I suggest that having your phone unlocked may be the least of your problems.
True, but why compound the problem? I can't personally see (though I've been wrong before) a huge demand for being able to unlock one's phone with one's face,
Until youre running the most successful public company and computer and personal electronics company in human history, forgive me if I feel you are personally unable to see what is useful in consumer electronics.
Face ID is going to be a great user experience that exceeds Touch ID by miles.
Yes, there's no doubt at all that the rumoredFace ID that we don't even know will be used to authenticate a device if it's offered at all, and that none of us have been advised on how it will work, what devices will have it and what purpose it serves, assuming it's real and offered this year... is amazing! Far better than Touch ID. Miles better.
/s
You dont need to receive personal memos from Cook et all to assume that their devices get better, not worse. Perhaps youre overlooking it, but when TouchID was a rumor people were very similarly freaking the fuck out, just as they are now, and bemoaning how insecure and dangerous it would be. Finger chopping would be epidemic. etc.. All bullshit nonsense, of course.
If Apple puts this into their flagship device, yes, I am quite certain it will be better, not worse, than present.
Meanwhile, Samsung learned about it when rumors leaked for the iPhone 8 facial recognition, and rushed their facial recognition system to market in their "8" phone, and the system can be fooled by using a photo. Lol...
Are they sure it's been 3 years? Judging from most of the expert rumormongers, Apple makes huge manufacturing decisions only hours before production begins.
"Ok engineering team, we start the production lines tomorrow. Should we stick with the LCD or go OLED? Need an answer after lunch."
In addition to unlock convenience (a feature I personally have no interest in), this will instantly make iPhone/iOS the leading edge 3-D data gathering product/method in the world. Should in turn make their already very exciting AR work an unquestioned success.
Should also render the method of single-camera lens depth simulation using machine learning largely a relic of the past.
How can you say you have no interest in unlock convenience? It is one of the most important features of the device. It is what forces users to be smart and passcode protect their devices. Prior to Touch ID, the user adoption of passcode was worse than users that manually backup their files.
If your argument is actually that you have plenty of interest in it, in the sense that you think Touch ID is good enough, that's another story.
I have no interest in providing law enforcement with additional methods to violate privacy rights. If so ordered by a court, one may be compelled by law enforcement to unlock ones phone with their face or fingerprint, not a password. Whether one is charged or guilty of anything is beside the point. I believe individual constitutional privacy and property rights supersede the interests of the state.
There is no law requiring you use Touch ID or Face ID on your iPhone. If you are planning on breaking the law and are concerned about your phone being lawfully searched as a result, I would suggest not using these convenience features.
Again, it has nothing to do with "planning to break the law". What isn't "illegal" today may be declared illegal tomorrow.
The problem is that these doomsday scenarios of yours are reserved for dictatorships and military juntas. If you're not living in one of those than it is highly likely that law enforcement doesn't give two shits about you unless you're doing something that's not kosher.
Face ID is going to be a great user experience that exceeds Touch ID by miles.
Yes, there's no doubt at all that the rumoredFace ID that we don't even know will be used to authenticate a device if it's offered at all, and that none of us have been advised on how it will work, what devices will have it and what purpose it serves, assuming it's real and offered this year... is amazing! Far better than Touch ID. Miles better.
/s
You dont need to receive personal memos from Cook et all to assume that their devices get better, not worse. Perhaps youre overlooking it, but when TouchID was a rumor people were very similarly freaking the fuck out, just as they are now, and bemoaning how insecure and dangerous it would be. Finger chopping would be epidemic. etc.. All bullshit nonsense, of course.
If Apple puts this into their flagship device...
There you have it.
Declaring something totally unannounced to be amazing, even if it's an Apple-related rumor, is putting the cart before the horse. There's still a fair number of "if's" is there not? Yes Apple generally hits the spot the first time, and if not at least by the second iteration. But unless you're claiming as he is that FaceID is a real feature that's much more useful than TouchID (you're receiving those Tim Cook memos you mentioned?), and coming to your iPhone this fall as a security feature then you very obviously would be closer to agreeing with me than the OP, much as you perhaps would like not to admit it.
It could be the case that the 3D sensing capability in iPhone 8 is so advanced that a fingerprint can be scanned without a physical touch. Just wave your finger in front of the camera. Now that would be a game changer.
Face ID is going to be a great user experience that exceeds Touch ID by miles.
Yes, there's no doubt at all that the rumoredFace ID that we don't even know will be used to authenticate a device if it's offered at all, and that none of us have been advised on how it will work, what devices will have it and what purpose it serves, assuming it's real and offered this year... is amazing! Far better than Touch ID. Miles better.
/s
You dont need to receive personal memos from Cook et all to assume that their devices get better, not worse. Perhaps youre overlooking it, but when TouchID was a rumor people were very similarly freaking the fuck out, just as they are now, and bemoaning how insecure and dangerous it would be. Finger chopping would be epidemic. etc.. All bullshit nonsense, of course.
If Apple puts this into their flagship device...
There you have it.
Declaring something totally unannounced to be amazing, even if it's an Apple-related rumor, is putting the cart before the horse. There's still a fair number of "if's" is there not? Yes Apple generally hits the spot the first time, and if not at least by the second iteration. But unless you're claiming as he is that FaceID is a real feature that's much more useful than TouchID (you're receiving those Tim Cook memos you mentioned?), and coming to your iPhone this fall as a security feature then you very obviously would be closer to agreeing with me than the OP, much as you perhaps would like not to admit it.
Like I said before, it isn't difficult to ascertain what will be the reality. It is incredibly cliched and boring to listen you post your "ifs" and "doubts" as if Apple weren't a company who has earned more benefit of the doubt than that.
Face ID is going to be a great user experience that exceeds Touch ID by miles.
Yes, there's no doubt at all that the rumoredFace ID that we don't even know will be used to authenticate a device if it's offered at all, and that none of us have been advised on how it will work, what devices will have it and what purpose it serves, assuming it's real and offered this year... is amazing! Far better than Touch ID. Miles better.
/s
You dont need to receive personal memos from Cook et all to assume that their devices get better, not worse. Perhaps youre overlooking it, but when TouchID was a rumor people were very similarly freaking the fuck out, just as they are now, and bemoaning how insecure and dangerous it would be. Finger chopping would be epidemic. etc.. All bullshit nonsense, of course.
If Apple puts this into their flagship device...
There you have it.
Declaring something totally unannounced to be amazing, even if it's an Apple-related rumor, is putting the cart before the horse. There's still a fair number of "if's" is there not? Yes Apple generally hits the spot the first time, and if not at least by the second iteration. But unless you're claiming as he is that FaceID is a real feature that's much more useful than TouchID (you're receiving those Tim Cook memos you mentioned?), and coming to your iPhone this fall as a security feature then you very obviously would be closer to agreeing with me than the OP, much as you perhaps would like not to admit it.
Like I said before, it isn't difficult to ascertain what will be the reality. It is incredibly cliched and boring to listen you post your "ifs" and "doubts" as if Apple weren't a company who has earned more benefit of the doubt than that.
I'm sorry, I guess I missed what Apple has said about it, so fill me in. I'll happily give them the benefit of the doubt on something they announce even tho it's not yet shipping, and yea because they've earned it.
You on the other hand are already extolling the virtues, the relevance, the usefulness, the wonder and amazement of FaceID because of... a rumor, just the type of thing we generally refer to as vaporware? You're operating on zero evidence that it will even be a part of this years iPhone, much less what it will be used for but already proclaiming how great it is, a "miles better" improvement over TouchID.
You offered perfect advice earlier. Just wait and see. Patience Grasshopper....
What's good with Face ID is that you can make up your faces. One face, for example, is to half close your left eye, move your mouth to the right, bare your teeth.
I was thinking of upgrading my iPhone 7 Plus if the new phone is really exciting. However, if Touch ID is replaced with this facial recognition only, I won't. I don't want someone to be able to unlock my phone by holding it at my face.
This is not a significant issue, unless you mention immigration officials and police officers.
Never quite understood the idea behind unlocking with your face. What happens when you don't want to open your PC or phone? Will you receive a prompt to unlock? With current Touch ID, I know that when I lock the screen....it's not unlocking until I put my finger back on the home button. How are they planning on this kind of convenience without adding an additional prompt that will likely just slow things down.
I've tested biometrics with the latest Windows Hello and it's fine, but it keep unlocking the damn screen even after a few moments of sitting in front of it. I lock my computers and phone religiously, many times because I'm working on confidential items in an semi-open office environment. The last thing I need is my computer or phone unlocking when I don't want them to. This may work fine for many, but I don't really see the full benefit unless a face scan is complemented (not replaced) by Touch ID. If they can get the Touch ID under glass, then I think the combined security options with a face scan would be something pretty special.
I was thinking of upgrading my iPhone 7 Plus if the new phone is really exciting. However, if Touch ID is replaced with this facial recognition only, I won't. I don't want someone to be able to unlock my phone by holding it at my face.
If someone is holding your phone at your face, presumably against your will, then I suggest that having your phone unlocked may be the least of your problems.
Yes, but if you can't unlock it, they can't get access to anything on that phone, INCLUDING list of contacts and access to your and potentially other people related info. In other words, it is not only you, whose info that phone protects..
Since we are discussing the virtue of face recognition (not facial), regardless on Apple’s own implementation, I would give my 2 cents here as a Security Engineer. Once you go FR, you won’t go without. The sheer amount of convenience, the level of security compare to other biometric measurements are technologically more advance and much better. That’s why every major airports and cooperate buildings in the world apply face recognition or depth contour analytic as main part of their security systems, BUT they are always super expensive.
In addition to unlock convenience (a feature I personally have no interest in), this will instantly make iPhone/iOS the leading edge 3-D data gathering product/method in the world. Should in turn make their already very exciting AR work an unquestioned success.
Should also render the method of single-camera lens depth simulation using machine learning largely a relic of the past.
How can you say you have no interest in unlock convenience? It is one of the most important features of the device. It is what forces users to be smart and passcode protect their devices. Prior to Touch ID, the user adoption of passcode was worse than users that manually backup their files.
If your argument is actually that you have plenty of interest in it, in the sense that you think Touch ID is good enough, that's another story.
I have no interest in providing law enforcement with additional methods to violate privacy rights. If so ordered by a court, one may be compelled by law enforcement to unlock ones phone with their face or fingerprint, not a password. Whether one is charged or guilty of anything is beside the point. I believe individual constitutional privacy and property rights supersede the interests of the state.
There is no law requiring you use Touch ID or Face ID on your iPhone. If you are planning on breaking the law and are concerned about your phone being lawfully searched as a result, I would suggest not using these convenience features.
Again, it has nothing to do with "planning to break the law". What isn't "illegal" today may be declared illegal tomorrow.
The problem is that these doomsday scenarios of yours are reserved for dictatorships and military juntas. If you're not living in one of those than it is highly likely that law enforcement doesn't give two shits about you unless you're doing something that's not kosher.
Tell that to people in Saudi Arabia, China and Russia.
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AR and Tango could be the marketing hook needed to wrestle control of the hardware and user experience back from the OEM's and Carriers.
I'd brand it as "Made for Tango", and it would consist of very tight specs and certifications. No more race to the bottom.
Of course, Apple will own this space first, but plenty of room left for a competitor.
http://blogs.findlaw.com/decided/2014/11/cops-can-force-suspects-to-unlock-phones-via-fingerprint-va-court.html
And an even better article:
https://www.wired.com/2014/09/google-apple-wont-unlock-phone-court-can-make/
If Apple puts this into their flagship device, yes, I am quite certain it will be better, not worse, than present.
"Ok engineering team, we start the production lines tomorrow. Should we stick with the LCD or go OLED? Need an answer after lunch."
Declaring something totally unannounced to be amazing, even if it's an Apple-related rumor, is putting the cart before the horse. There's still a fair number of "if's" is there not? Yes Apple generally hits the spot the first time, and if not at least by the second iteration. But unless you're claiming as he is that FaceID is a real feature that's much more useful than TouchID (you're receiving those Tim Cook memos you mentioned?), and coming to your iPhone this fall as a security feature then you very obviously would be closer to agreeing with me than the OP, much as you perhaps would like not to admit it.
You on the other hand are already extolling the virtues, the relevance, the usefulness, the wonder and amazement of FaceID because of...
a rumor, just the type of thing we generally refer to as vaporware? You're operating on zero evidence that it will even be a part of this years iPhone, much less what it will be used for but already proclaiming how great it is, a "miles better" improvement over TouchID.
You offered perfect advice earlier. Just wait and see.
Patience Grasshopper....
I've tested biometrics with the latest Windows Hello and it's fine, but it keep unlocking the damn screen even after a few moments of sitting in front of it. I lock my computers and phone religiously, many times because I'm working on confidential items in an semi-open office environment. The last thing I need is my computer or phone unlocking when I don't want them to. This may work fine for many, but I don't really see the full benefit unless a face scan is complemented (not replaced) by Touch ID. If they can get the Touch ID under glass, then I think the combined security options with a face scan would be something pretty special.
It's the actual fucking Ministry of Truth now.
In other words, it is not only you, whose info that phone protects..