Wait. Professionals are abandoning Apple in droves because of their expensive, under-powered, port deficient hardware. No ‘real’ professional uses Apple gear anymore. Or so we’ve been told by the ‘pros’ that comment in AppleInsider forums.
I'm not in the camp that necessarily thinks that, buuuut...It doesn't help the argument that he's using the previous generation rMBP, on a movie studio budget :P
It was shot between February and May last year. Which version of the rMBP should they have been using? The one that was available at the time, or the one that was released 6 months later?
I've always wanted a black Apple USB keyboard for just that reason. The white keys get so dirty, even with normal use. At least a black keyboard won't show it.
There's a concept call "cleaning" that works wonders. Try it.
I use disinfectant wipes every couple weeks to wipe down everything on my desk. My white keyboard after 8 years still looks fairly new. Washing hands helps too.
Smartass! Of course I clean it. I use rubbing alcohol on it and yes, it does look like brand new when its cleaned. The issue is, you have to clean the damn thing the time to keep it looking clean. At least if you had black keys it wouldn't show as much. Its not that I wouldn't ever clean it. It just wouldn't look like shit in the mean time. The keyboard shown in the photo will look like brand new once you clean the keys. I've found that the keys don't seem to stain very much, if it all.
Also, if you're in an educational environment like I am, its extremely hard to keep the keyboards clean.
Wait. Professionals are abandoning Apple in droves because of their expensive, under-powered, port deficient hardware. No ‘real’ professional uses Apple gear anymore. Or so we’ve been told by the ‘pros’ that comment in AppleInsider forums.
He didn't get the memo about non-expandable memory, glued down everything, last year's CPU and other "deal breakers."
I've always wanted a black Apple USB keyboard for just that reason. The white keys get so dirty, even with normal use. At least a black keyboard won't show it.
Edgar Wright's best performing movie to date! I still prefer the comic book energy and creativity of Scott Pilgrim vs. The World and the one that started it all off for me as a fan of his work, Shawn of the Dead.
Edgar Wright's best performing movie to date! I still prefer the comic book energy and creativity of Scott Pilgrim vs. The World and the one that started it all off for me as a fan of his work, Shawn of the Dead.
Ah didn't realize! Enjoyed those as well. BD was good, classic car chase movie.
A pretty cramped set up for sure. Not very ergonomic either. Working on the side of the road in the bright sun? So much for color calibration. Even the photo inside the tent looks really disorganized. Glad I don't have to work like that.
Around 10 years ago and at least with Nikon DSLR's from the D2X onwards, the colour calibration became so good that I have hardly ever had to apply any colour correction usint tools like Photoshop since. Knowing that the colour is good makes the use of screen calibrators less important than it once was. Now that I'm shooting 4K with my D500 I'm seening very little need to colour shift even on a calibrated setup (MacPook Pro + 4K Dell Screen)
In the case of the movie, they will do the final edits and corrections later in the studio but doing a lot of the 'rough' work in the field ends need to view the rushes at the end of the day. Also if the light goes and shooting has to stop, the director and editor can get right down to work on the spot. That alone could could save millions on post costs.
I'll be catching this movie over the weekend. I love Edgar Wright's work. I loved Shaun of the Dead, found Hot Fuzz nice and didn't much care for The World's End. I loved Scott Pilgrim, even though it had that one-note Michael Cera in it.
I'm surprised Baby Driver lasted 2 weeks here in India, even with the onslaught of Spider-Man: Homecoming and some high profile regional movies!
There are different groups of professionals, the Photos Editing and Video Post Production aren't the ones crying, it was the 3D editing, some programmers, and different segments of pros. The higher memory call mostly came from Programmers who has a need to open 10x VM on their machine ( For Whatever reason that might be ), and it was another segment that needed better Mac Pro.
I've always wanted a black Apple USB keyboard for just that reason. The white keys get so dirty, even with normal use. At least a black keyboard won't show it.
Mine doesn't get dirty. If yours get dirty, then you need to get in habit of washing your hands more often.
I wash my hands all day long. The backs of my hands get super dry because I wash my hands so much. I can't possibly wash my hands before I touch my keyboard.
I don't really think the white keys go with Apple's current designs anyways. A black keyboard, even with the current silver frame would be so much better in my opinion.
It would still get just as dirty but you wouldn’t see it. With the white keyboard at least you know when it’s time to clean it.
I usually till my fingers stick to the keys method....
That's amazing. I feel like an idiot. I can barely use iMovie to make stupid movies of my kids.
I'm in the same boat. Years ago on the white G4 Macbook, I made probably 50 movies overall of kids, using a Sony whatever-Cam over firewire to iMovie HD-6. It was definitely homegrown but I did have a title-screen, chapters, I would ease audio down then up between cuts. I used actual music a time or two.
I just "got" that program, the basics of it anyway, and it was fun to do. All I thought about while making the movie was the future-experience I was creating.
Burned DVDs right on the MacBook and mailed them to family, and even exported the video BACK to the camera, and then exported THAT to a !VCR! to make !tapes! for a couple of grandparent holdouts! (Just a few times on that).
When iMovie 8 came out "all re-imagined", it was so horrible I never made a movie again. It was exactly like being in Windows Hell, where you're fighting/pleading/begging to get ANYthing to work. No thought of your content or creativity, just head-banging fighting the tool.
iMovieHD 6 (to me) met Jonathan Ivy's vision that the tools fade away and it's just your content.
"iMovie", that black-quad-screen experience was the exact opposite.
I only blame myself for not being able to "get it", or at least find a middle-ground, but that's my experience. Have some very old movies digitized in iMovie right now; haven't touched them in years. Can't stand it.
A pretty cramped set up for sure. Not very ergonomic either. Working on the side of the road in the bright sun? So much for color calibration. Even the photo inside the tent looks really disorganized. Glad I don't have to work like that.
Around 10 years ago and at least with Nikon DSLR's from the D2X onwards, the colour calibration became so good that I have hardly ever had to apply any colour correction usint tools like Photoshop since. Knowing that the colour is good makes the use of screen calibrators less important than it once was. Now that I'm shooting 4K with my D500 I'm seening very little need to colour shift even on a calibrated setup (MacPook Pro + 4K Dell Screen)
In the case of the movie, they will do the final edits and corrections later in the studio but doing a lot of the 'rough' work in the field ends need to view the rushes at the end of the day. Also if the light goes and shooting has to stop, the director and editor can get right down to work on the spot. That alone could could save millions on post costs.
Sure but that set up doesn't lend itself to working with the director. As far as color is concerned that would seem to me to be a valid criteria for deciding on a reshoot which from the story, was one of the main factors in the decision to do editing on scene. Working in sunlight makes it near impossible to detect exposure issues. If the concept was to save millions then at least he should have had his own trailer rather than the make shift set ups shown in the article.
A pretty cramped set up for sure. Not very ergonomic either. Working on the side of the road in the bright sun? So much for color calibration. Even the photo inside the tent looks really disorganized. Glad I don't have to work like that.
Around 10 years ago and at least with Nikon DSLR's from the D2X onwards, the colour calibration became so good that I have hardly ever had to apply any colour correction usint tools like Photoshop since. Knowing that the colour is good makes the use of screen calibrators less important than it once was. Now that I'm shooting 4K with my D500 I'm seening very little need to colour shift even on a calibrated setup (MacPook Pro + 4K Dell Screen)
In the case of the movie, they will do the final edits and corrections later in the studio but doing a lot of the 'rough' work in the field ends need to view the rushes at the end of the day. Also if the light goes and shooting has to stop, the director and editor can get right down to work on the spot. That alone could could save millions on post costs.
Sure but that set up doesn't lend itself to working with the director. As far as color is concerned that would seem to me to be a valid criteria for deciding on a reshoot which from the story, was one of the main factors in the decision to do editing on scene. Working in sunlight makes it near impossible to detect exposure issues. If the concept was to save millions then at least he should have had his own trailer rather than the make shift set ups shown in the article.
He was editing for timing and not color. I guess they could let the colorist have a pass but with the color reference chart and waveforms I dunno that they really blow color in such a way that can't be fixed or miss exposure very often. A shitton of effort goes into lighting.
"For the film to work just right, Machliss had to be on set editing to verify that the timing of each shot was perfect: “To make it work you had to sort of be there at the moment of creation . . . I was there every day of every moment of every take."
"If you look at the monitor on the cart, you’ll notice the film’s storyboards embedded in the edit. That’s because nearly every sequence underwent meticulous calculation in pre-production to properly sync the action and music. As Machliss recalled, “I had the storyboards running on a lower video layer, because . . . it’s very important to realize in things like this, you can’t do a shot that slightly runs over. Normally you go, ‘Oh, ok, the shot’s about a second longer,’ but when you start to put it together and you start to realize ‘Oh I’m now two and a half seconds out from the music track’ that becomes a problem.”"
Timing on this movie was tight hence the need for on the spot checking. Color you can fix in post.
Professionals have been abandoning Apple.Yes, they have. I love my older Apple machines (2008) 15" MBP & Mac Pro. Most of the pros have moved on to other platforms because of the lack of upgradability of the current generation of MBP. Just because Machliss works the way he does not mean everyone else can or should. This is an interesting concept,"roadside editing." I have been considering doing this myself. The Macbook Pro he used was an older model without all the adapters the current (2016/2017) MBP would require to hook up all the equipment Machliss used. Slurpy said that "The only difference is that with a newer one he'd be able to edit and render everything even faster, with a better screen and a lighter machine" How much faster will those renders be. He did not need a "better" screen or a lighter machine which is a useless selling point. How fast the machine works is the only criteria that matters in the mobile environment. I have seen many PC vs Macbook Pro speed benchmark tests on YouTube and have realized that 2016 or 2017 MBP would be faster is not necessarily true. How light or thin the MBP is not that important because the MBP was hooked up to several devices on a cart with wheels. Once the machine was set up the cart was moved around with everything else still hooked up. Apple does not know how professionals use their own machines which is another reason why the Pros are leaving Apple. Film editor Paul Machliss called heist film Baby Driver the "most difficult edit" and "the hardest job" that he'd ever worked on. People have to remember one thing. Not just anyone can do this job. It is very difficult. The Apple zealots should stop trying to sell everyone on what Apple can do. The Pros know what the MBP can do...even a pre 2016 version. This is not a "I told you so moment." We should be amazed by Machliss' work and leave it at that. Why is it when one person does something on an Apple product all the Apple zealots jump out of the woodwork and say..."Look I told you so." Help convince Apple to make the MBP less of an appliance and more of a "Pro" machine would be more constructive.
Professionals have been abandoning Apple.Yes, they have. I love my older Apple machines (2008) 15" MBP & Mac Pro. Most of the pros have moved on to other platforms because of the lack of upgradability of the current generation of MBP. Just because Machliss works the way he does not mean everyone else can or should. This is an interesting concept,"roadside editing." I have been considering doing this myself. The Macbook Pro he used was an older model without all the adapters the current (2016/2017) MBP would require to hook up all the equipment Machliss used.
Fewer adapters needed on the 2017 and on only one cable. One small USB-C hub provides power, keyboard, ethernet, drive and video. That's all he's connecting.
Troll elsewhere.
The fact is the MBP is one of the most expandable laptops available with 4 TB 3 ports capable of driving high speed RAID enclosures, monitors and expansion chassis in greater number than most other laptops.
Professionals have been abandoning Apple.Yes, they have. I love my older Apple machines (2008) 15" MBP & Mac Pro. Most of the pros have moved on to other platforms because of the lack of upgradability of the current generation of MBP. Just because Machliss works the way he does not mean everyone else can or should. This is an interesting concept,"roadside editing." I have been considering doing this myself. The Macbook Pro he used was an older model without all the adapters the current (2016/2017) MBP would require to hook up all the equipment Machliss used.
Fewer adapters needed on the 2017 and on only one cable. One small USB-C hub provides power, keyboard, ethernet, drive and video. That's all he's connecting.
Troll elsewhere.
The fact is the MBP is one of the most expandable laptops available with 4 TB 3 ports capable of driving high speed RAID enclosures, monitors and expansion chassis in greater number than most other laptops.
So, I can just hook up some external Thunderbolt RAM, then?
I'm typing this on a 2011 MBP with 16GB RAM. It's got 2TB of internal disk, I'm thinking about expanding that to 4TB of internal disk, which I can easily do.
The 2017 MBP maxes at... 16GB RAM and 2TB internal disk.
Fewer adapters needed on the 2017 and on only one cable. One small USB-C hub provides power, keyboard, ethernet, drive and video. That's all he's connecting.
Troll elsewhere.
The fact is the MBP is one of the most expandable laptops available with 4 TB 3 ports capable of driving high speed RAID enclosures, monitors and expansion chassis in greater number than most other laptops.
That is not true. When you use one of your ports for power the MBP only has 3 useable ports.Which small USB-C hub were you talking about. If I am not mistaken, USB hubs increase the amount of ports not necessarily provides power, keyboard, ethernet, drive and video. I believe you are referring to a Thunderbolt dock which has some of the elements you listed and is a bit more expensive than a hub. Is that all you had to say about my comments. I am greatly disappointed you believe I am trolling.
Professionals have been abandoning Apple.Yes, they have. I love my older Apple machines (2008) 15" MBP & Mac Pro. Most of the pros have moved on to other platforms because of the lack of upgradability of the current generation of MBP. Just because Machliss works the way he does not mean everyone else can or should. This is an interesting concept,"roadside editing." I have been considering doing this myself. The Macbook Pro he used was an older model without all the adapters the current (2016/2017) MBP would require to hook up all the equipment Machliss used.
Fewer adapters needed on the 2017 and on only one cable. One small USB-C hub provides power, keyboard, ethernet, drive and video. That's all he's connecting.
Troll elsewhere.
The fact is the MBP is one of the most expandable laptops available with 4 TB 3 ports capable of driving high speed RAID enclosures, monitors and expansion chassis in greater number than most other laptops.
So, I can just hook up some external Thunderbolt RAM, then?
I'm typing this on a 2011 MBP with 16GB RAM. It's got 2TB of internal disk, I'm thinking about expanding that to 4TB of internal disk, which I can easily do.
The 2017 MBP maxes at... 16GB RAM and 2TB internal disk.
Thinner is NOT an upgrade for me.
If you are using a 6 year old machine you don't need Pro gear. Very few pros need 32GB RAM or 4 TB internal ssd today. Many of those that do suffer from poor devops support (the yahoos claiming to be running 200 VMs for development).
If you are one of those that really needs 32GB RAM, sucks to be you. Get a Dell or wait a year until the next MBPs will support 32GB. You're already 3 years overdue for a refresh, what's one more?
The 2017 has a faster CPU and much faster GPU than my just replaced 2013 MBP. It's a big upgrade for most folks on a pro refresh cycle.
And since I'm actually using a laptop for travel again, thinner is a huge upgrade for me. If you don't travel buy an iMac. It's more powerful and more cost effective.
Wait. Professionals are abandoning Apple in droves because of their expensive, under-powered, port deficient hardware. No ‘real’ professional uses Apple gear anymore. Or so we’ve been told by the ‘pros’ that comment in AppleInsider forums.
I'm not in the camp that necessarily thinks that, buuuut...It doesn't help the argument that he's using the previous generation rMBP, on a movie studio budget :P
The only difference is that with a newer one he'd be able to edit and render everything even faster, with a better screen and a lighter machine.
Looking at all the other stuff on the trolley, I doubt a lighter machine really made that much of a difference.
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Also, if you're in an educational environment like I am, its extremely hard to keep the keyboards clean.
He needs to turn in his "Pro" badge.
Now that I'm shooting 4K with my D500 I'm seening very little need to colour shift even on a calibrated setup (MacPook Pro + 4K Dell Screen)
In the case of the movie, they will do the final edits and corrections later in the studio but doing a lot of the 'rough' work in the field ends need to view the rushes at the end of the day. Also if the light goes and shooting has to stop, the director and editor can get right down to work on the spot. That alone could could save millions on post costs.
I'll be catching this movie over the weekend. I love Edgar Wright's work. I loved Shaun of the Dead, found Hot Fuzz nice and didn't much care for The World's End. I loved Scott Pilgrim, even though it had that one-note Michael Cera in it.
I'm surprised Baby Driver lasted 2 weeks here in India, even with the onslaught of Spider-Man: Homecoming and some high profile regional movies!
I just "got" that program, the basics of it anyway, and it was fun to do. All I thought about while making the movie was the future-experience I was creating.
Burned DVDs right on the MacBook and mailed them to family, and even exported the video BACK to the camera, and then exported THAT to a !VCR! to make !tapes! for a couple of grandparent holdouts! (Just a few times on that).
When iMovie 8 came out "all re-imagined", it was so horrible I never made a movie again. It was exactly like being in Windows Hell, where you're fighting/pleading/begging to get ANYthing to work. No thought of your content or creativity, just head-banging fighting the tool.
iMovieHD 6 (to me) met Jonathan Ivy's vision that the tools fade away and it's just your content.
"iMovie", that black-quad-screen experience was the exact opposite.
I only blame myself for not being able to "get it", or at least find a middle-ground, but that's my experience. Have some very old movies digitized in iMovie right now; haven't touched them in years. Can't stand it.
E.
"For the film to work just right, Machliss had to be on set editing to verify that the timing of each shot was perfect: “To make it work you had to sort of be there at the moment of creation . . . I was there every day of every moment of every take."
"If you look at the monitor on the cart, you’ll notice the film’s storyboards embedded in the edit. That’s because nearly every sequence underwent meticulous calculation in pre-production to properly sync the action and music. As Machliss recalled, “I had the storyboards running on a lower video layer, because . . . it’s very important to realize in things like this, you can’t do a shot that slightly runs over. Normally you go, ‘Oh, ok, the shot’s about a second longer,’ but when you start to put it together and you start to realize ‘Oh I’m now two and a half seconds out from the music track’ that becomes a problem.”"
Timing on this movie was tight hence the need for on the spot checking. Color you can fix in post.
Troll elsewhere.
The fact is the MBP is one of the most expandable laptops available with 4 TB 3 ports capable of driving high speed RAID enclosures, monitors and expansion chassis in greater number than most other laptops.
I'm typing this on a 2011 MBP with 16GB RAM. It's got 2TB of internal disk, I'm thinking about expanding that to 4TB of internal disk, which I can easily do.
The 2017 MBP maxes at... 16GB RAM and 2TB internal disk.
Thinner is NOT an upgrade for me.
If you are one of those that really needs 32GB RAM, sucks to be you. Get a Dell or wait a year until the next MBPs will support 32GB. You're already 3 years overdue for a refresh, what's one more?
The 2017 has a faster CPU and much faster GPU than my just replaced 2013 MBP. It's a big upgrade for most folks on a pro refresh cycle.
And since I'm actually using a laptop for travel again, thinner is a huge upgrade for me. If you don't travel buy an iMac. It's more powerful and more cost effective.