Well, that is unimaginably stupid because it looks terrible.
Only on white. Two of the benefits of OLED are that blacks are really black and that black means no power being used for those pixels so I'd assume the bar would be mostly black.
The article is literally saying they won't do this...they will let App UI use it, instead of permanently masking it with OLED black. Exactly the worst possible outcome.
What happens when the phone is held horizontaly in landscape mode. That where the true problem will show itself .
Well, that is unimaginably stupid because it looks terrible.
Only on white. Two of the benefits of OLED are that blacks are really black and that black means no power being used for those pixels so I'd assume the bar would be mostly black.
The article is literally saying they won't do this...they will let App UI use it, instead of permanently masking it with OLED black. Exactly the worst possible outcome.
What happens when the phone is held horizontaly in landscape mode. That where the true problem will show itself .
I agree. What then?? Apple cannot embrace the ears in landscape orientation.
Personally, I think having the notch 'visible' looks very good from an aesthetic point of view. How they manage the interface elements on either side will have to be evaluated when we know the details but I think there are plenty of options and all of them are good. I don't have any issues with this stuff.
I agree. What then?? Apple cannot embrace the ears in landscape orientation.
I'm not seeing the dilemma. Right now, in landscape mode the top of the display is the status bar. Not a big deal if they keep that status quo.
Depending on the pixel depth of the cut-in there are plenty of icons in the status bar that could fit in the surrounding area. Even the time might be doable as an analog clock or the time split into hour on one line and minute on the hour. Or, they could also just make it black and it would just be a standard rectangular display that we're familiar with for a decade.
Additionally, I can think of plenty of apps that would benefit from having that extra display area for data without having to super-impose onto the rest of the display or requiring additional menus to be accessed to see the data. For example, imagine looking at Maps in landscape. you'd now have a little more room to see the map as the Information and current GPS location buttons, and the current temperature for Cupertino can all moved a little further to one side. While you can easily argue that this is a minor gain, I can't see how you can argue that there's a downside to see more of the map.
I agree. What then?? Apple cannot embrace the ears in landscape orientation.
I'm not seeing the dilemma. Right now, in landscape mode the top of the display is the status bar. Not a big deal if they keep that status quo.
Depending on the pixel depth of the cut-in there are plenty of icons in the status bar that could fit in the surrounding area. Even the time might be doable as an analog clock or the time split into hour on one line and minute on the hour. Or, they could also just make it black and it would just be a standard rectangular display that we're familiar with for a decade.
Additionally, I can think of plenty of apps that would benefit from having that extra display area for data without having to super-impose onto the rest of the display or requiring additional menus to be accessed to see the data. For example, imagine looking at Maps in landscape. you'd now have a little more room to see the map as the Information and current GPS location buttons, and the current temperature for Cupertino can all moved a little further to one side. While you can easily argue that this is a minor gain, I can't see how you can argue that there's a downside to see more of the map.
We shall see how elegant of a solution this will turn out to be ...... i personsly think its a poor solution. It lopsides the iphone in landscspe mode .. turn it one way the notch is left side.. turn it the other way the notch is on the right and information and apps have to accomodate and jump back and forth .. its not clean solution.. if thats how its implemented. Imo And If its kept dark.. its a waste of pixles and poor estetics.
But hey lets wait and see... p.s. Interesting how there are no mockups and discussion of the notch in landscape mode..
The notch (with ears) forms an iconic silhouette. After everyone's sight gets used to it, it will become a distinguishing feature, soon copied in droves by other manufacturers.
While I would clearly prefer no notch, I'm trusting that Apple made the decision to include the notch because it was a safer technological, less problematic option.
While I would clearly prefer no notch, I'm trusting that Apple made the decision to include the notch because it was a safer technological, less problematic option.
Nothing about a complex curved cut into an LED display panel seems less technological and less problematic. In fact, every year they add features that are more technological and more problematic.
The notch (with ears) forms an iconic silhouette. After everyone's sight gets used to it, it will become a distinguishing feature, soon copied in droves by other manufacturers.
Having a notch, cutout (or whatever you wish to call it) at the top is already available. The 'ears' can be bigger or smaller, that will depend on the sensor array.
I wouldn't call it copying, just a natural evolution of screen real estate but if you prefer to call it that, Apple would be copying in this case.
Either way, I think this will be a trend over the next couple of years. I quite like it as it gives you the perception that the screen is taking up all the available space.
The notch (with ears) forms an iconic silhouette. After everyone's sight gets used to it, it will become a distinguishing feature, soon copied in droves by other manufacturers.
Having a notch, cutout (or whatever you wish to call it) at the top is already available. The 'ears' can be bigger or smaller, that will depend on the sensor array.
I wouldn't call it copying, just a natural evolution of screen real estate but if you prefer to call it that, Apple would be copying in this case.
Either way, I think this will be a trend over the next couple of years. I quite like it as it gives you the perception that the screen is taking up all the available space.
even better, if the physical home button has disappeared, it becomes instantly apparent which way is up. small visual cues can be perfect visual directions for use.
The notch (with ears) forms an iconic silhouette. After everyone's sight gets used to it, it will become a distinguishing feature, soon copied in droves by other manufacturers.
Having a notch, cutout (or whatever you wish to call it) at the top is already available. The 'ears' can be bigger or smaller, that will depend on the sensor array.
I wouldn't call it copying, just a natural evolution of screen real estate but if you prefer to call it that, Apple would be copying in this case.
Either way, I think this will be a trend over the next couple of years. I quite like it as it gives you the perception that the screen is taking up all the available space.
even better, if the physical home button has disappeared, it becomes instantly apparent which way is up. small visual cues can be perfect visual directions for use.
True. I hadn't even thought about that. Little details that make life easier.
I'm hoping that with the introduction of face scanning and AI, the phone will override automatic screen rotation when you lay down. Little things like that that eliminate irritating situations where the screen rotates because a sensor shows the phone has rotated but the user has also 'rotated' and so, as a result, doesn't want the screen to rotate.
mjtomlin said: There's also the fact that LCDs do not produce true blacks and the screen is always visible when on.
You understand that all the talk of the iPhone 8 is about using an LED-based display, right?
You seem to have an issue following a conversation, so let me summarize for you...
1. I mentioned the sensor bar on the "rumored" iPhone (with an OLED display) made the device look unbalanced (along with the different sized rounded corners). 2. You brought up the fact that there have been black-faced iPhones for ten years, and no one thought it looked unbalanced before when the status bar was black. 3. I mentioned several reasons why that was along with the fact that those older iPhones used LCD screens which do not show true blacks and therefor the screen has always been distinguishable from the bezel.
You obviously took that line completely out of context. I was clearly talking about existing iPhones.
However, to answer your question, Yes! I do understand that the iPhone 8 is rumored to use an OLED display... That's why I made the original observation.
mjtomlin said: There's also the fact that LCDs do not produce true blacks and the screen is always visible when on.
You understand that all the talk of the iPhone 8 is about using an LED-based display, right?
You seem to have an issue following a conversation, so let me summarize for you...
1. I mentioned the sensor bar on the "rumored" iPhone (with an OLED display) made the device look unbalanced (along with the different sized rounded corners). 2. You brought up the fact that there have been black-faced iPhones for ten years, and no one thought it looked unbalanced before when the status bar was black. 3. I mentioned several reasons why that was along with the fact that those older iPhones used LCD screens which do not show true blacks and therefor the screen has always been distinguishable from the bezel.
You obviously took that line completely out of context. I was clearly talking about existing iPhones.
However, to answer your question, Yes! I do understand that the iPhone 8 is rumored to use an OLED display... That's why I made the original observation.
Your response to me then was removing my mention of the rumoured iPhone 8 to talk about an older iPhone? Really?! You not only failed to understand the context of why Apple might change their design with an upcoming phone but also decided to shift the conversation to talk about older tech. Try to keep it on topic next time.
I couldn't stomach all the handwringing about The Notch so skipped through most of the conjecture and diatribe.
I don't care for it as rendered in rumor. It's something I would get used to, whatever it turns out to be, just as I have all the other abominations of design foisted on us by the Apple Design Overlords, such as the charging port on the Magic Mouse 2 and the iMac's round mouse. Oh the HUMANITY!
Ok, full disclosure— I've always liked the Hockey Puck and never needed to get used to it. The charging port on the bottom of the MM2 never bothered me for a second, ever.
If there's a notch, if there's not... The teapot tempest will pass.
I will be the first one to laugh if the real "iPhone 8" looked differently with all of these renders when the time came for Tim Cook to hold it in front of audience two weeks later.
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Depending on the pixel depth of the cut-in there are plenty of icons in the status bar that could fit in the surrounding area. Even the time might be doable as an analog clock or the time split into hour on one line and minute on the hour. Or, they could also just make it black and it would just be a standard rectangular display that we're familiar with for a decade.
Additionally, I can think of plenty of apps that would benefit from having that extra display area for data without having to super-impose onto the rest of the display or requiring additional menus to be accessed to see the data. For example, imagine looking at Maps in landscape. you'd now have a little more room to see the map as the Information and current GPS location buttons, and the current temperature for Cupertino can all moved a little further to one side. While you can easily argue that this is a minor gain, I can't see how you can argue that there's a downside to see more of the map.
i personsly think its a poor solution. It lopsides the iphone in landscspe mode .. turn it one way the notch is left side.. turn it the other way the notch is on the right and information and apps have to accomodate and jump back and forth ..
its not clean solution.. if thats how its implemented. Imo
And If its kept dark.. its a waste of pixles and poor estetics.
But hey lets wait and see...
p.s.
Interesting how there are no mockups and discussion of the notch in landscape mode..
I wouldn't call it copying, just a natural evolution of screen real estate but if you prefer to call it that, Apple would be copying in this case.
Either way, I think this will be a trend over the next couple of years. I quite like it as it gives you the perception that the screen is taking up all the available space.
small visual cues can be perfect visual directions for use.
I'm hoping that with the introduction of face scanning and AI, the phone will override automatic screen rotation when you lay down. Little things like that that eliminate irritating situations where the screen rotates because a sensor shows the phone has rotated but the user has also 'rotated' and so, as a result, doesn't want the screen to rotate.
You seem to have an issue following a conversation, so let me summarize for you...
1. I mentioned the sensor bar on the "rumored" iPhone (with an OLED display) made the device look unbalanced (along with the different sized rounded corners).
2. You brought up the fact that there have been black-faced iPhones for ten years, and no one thought it looked unbalanced before when the status bar was black.
3. I mentioned several reasons why that was along with the fact that those older iPhones used LCD screens which do not show true blacks and therefor the screen has always been distinguishable from the bezel.
You obviously took that line completely out of context. I was clearly talking about existing iPhones.
However, to answer your question, Yes! I do understand that the iPhone 8 is rumored to use an OLED display... That's why I made the original observation.
I don't care for it as rendered in rumor. It's something I would get used to, whatever it turns out to be, just as I have all the other abominations of design foisted on us by the Apple Design Overlords, such as the charging port on the Magic Mouse 2 and the iMac's round mouse. Oh the HUMANITY!
Ok, full disclosure— I've always liked the Hockey Puck and never needed to get used to it. The charging port on the bottom of the MM2 never bothered me for a second, ever.
If there's a notch, if there's not... The teapot tempest will pass.